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free skin care · Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:05 pm

I hope everyone has some before-and-after photos!

I will post some at week 3!

I hope people will do that to see which is most effective!

free skin care · Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:16 pm

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There are 2 units...M1 and M2. M1 is reflected in both manuals. If you look at the device numbers, series number, and tech specs you will see that they are all the same but one manual has more tech details.

Sorry for being obtuse Bethany - I was referring to were there 2 versions of the M1! I knew there is a M2.

Reason for that is that in one manual they claim the h/l is for US frequency (0.9/1. Cool

(& somehow the power intensity & in the other there is no mention of US frequency only intensity (power).

Also in the final specs - 1 says 1mhz (was 0.9 earlier in the manual - LOL) & 1.8mhz US & the other is simply 1mhz. To me that is very confusing & different.

Curious then - the H/M/L settings can be used on the Ion (as you pted out)- & also on the US alone & all of the combo (US/Ion) settings?

free skin care · Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:34 pm

cabrita wrote:

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There are 2 units...M1 and M2. M1 is reflected in both manuals. If you look at the device numbers, series number, and tech specs you will see that they are all the same but one manual has more tech details.

Sorry for being obtuse Bethany - I was referring to were there 2 versions of the M1! I knew there is a M2.

Reason for that is that in one manual they claim the h/l is for US frequency (0.9/1. Cool

(& somehow the power intensity & in the other there is no mention of US frequency only intensity (power).

Also in the final specs - 1 says 1mhz (was 0.9 earlier in the manual - LOL) & 1.8mhz US & the other is simply 1mhz. To me that is very confusing & different.

Curious then - the H/M/L settings can be used on the Ion (as you pted out)- & also on the US alone & all of the combo (US/Ion) settings?

Correct...the H/M/L settings are available on all 3 options (ion, US, and combo), which is referenced in the original Fyola manual I think.

I think a lot of the documentation differences encompass rounding and inclusion/exclusion of details...the less they have to share, the better it is for them from a competitive standpoint. But as you can see from the device and series numbers (typically near the last page of the brochure), they are the same device.

free skin care · Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:35 pm

Kath91 wrote:

I commend you, bethany, for your fortitude in being able to succinctly address the questions so thoroughly.

I sure try, but may not always succeed, lol.

free skin care · Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:46 pm

Lowbrowscientist wrote:

bethany wrote:

I am surprised you didn't see any immediate effects, but hopefully you will in the near future!

I'm sure I will - I'm a slow responder to everything, whether topicals or devices. I did another treatment the following night and I do think there was some improvement to my lips with the lips protocol! I'm holding off any further treatments until the LMW HA comes in from SEA.

I have to admit that with all the debate over whether LMW HA hurts or helps, the sqoom gel is sounding better and better, even at the crazy price point Neutral

Were you able to confirm that your Fyola gel definitely has HA?

This is the gel he sent me. I've been Googling, but I can't find it listed or described anywhere - only the "Skin Food" or the "Toning gel" in the purple bottle. The ingredient list is in Korean, of course, so I have no way to tell what's in it.

I've had my Merbe for a week now. I'm not seeing any results either, unfortunately.

I received the same gray tube of the Fyola "Aesthetic gel". I searched all over and couldn't find an ingredient list in English.

Could you point me to the "lips protocol"? I'd like to try that.

free skin care · Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:53 pm

ShastaGirl wrote:

Could you point me to the "lips protocol"? I'd like to try that.

See 2nd section below...

bethany wrote:

From the Sqoom.Global facebook page:

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Plunging necklines are a must this spring. For a smoother, crease free decolletage, you can treat your skin with SQOOM.
SQOOM M1: 12 min 3/N with xcential hyaGel.
SQOOM M2: 12 min 3/W with xcential hyaGel

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As well as stocking up on lip balm, you can use SQOOM to heal your lips - simply treat them with xcential hyaGel - 2 minutes programme M (Massage) and 2 minutes progamme N (Nutrition). Soon your lips will regain their usual moisture and look great again.

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SUN KISSSED? SUNBURNED? ALWAYS SQOOM AFTER THE SUN!

We’ve already told you that too much sun exposure can severely affect the aging process. Your skin ages faster, but then again you were having so much fun at the beach or pool, you lost track of time, so here you are sun kissed? Sunburned?

SQOOM together with xcential hyaGel have a super moisturizing effect which results from its low molecular bi-hyaluronic acid and aloe inner – leaf gel in a glycerol matrix, which is a very intensive and long lasting moisture optimization for the skin. Xcential hyaGel is also packed with dittrichia viscosa extract which has a very protective and repairing effect in case of cell damage, specifically caused by UV radiation.

So sun kissed? Sun burned? Here is our advice!
1. Apply a generous amount of xcential hyaGel on the affected area.
2. Treat first with program M (Massage) for 4-8 minutes then N (Nutrition) for 4-8 minutes.
3. Leave the leftover gel as a mask.

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SQOOM for botox lovers

Botox users can look unnatural and expressionless. SQOOM concept allows you to show all your facial emotions but smoothes wrinkles when your face is in a relaxed state. Regular botox users can extend botox effectiveness if they SQOOM their faces after botox treatments (wait three days after treatment before using).

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SQOOM for acne - (use medgel GelComplexAK)

A holistic acne solution. SQOOM is the first breakthrough product to use ultrasound with a targeted specific frequency to totally unblock ducts, while gels combat scarring and pigmentation. Many products treat acne by drying the skin. This works in the short-term, but is not a good idea long term because dried-up cells exfoliate and die, then block ducts, which results in sebum accumulation, stagnation and inflammation (acne). This acne treatment opens up ducts and rehydrates the skin. Follow it up with GelComplexNA (a medgel), which reduces scar appearance, and DeSpot Gel, which reduces pigmentation. One of the few acne treatments which doesn’t make your skin sun sensitive and has no side effects. Will treat the spectrum of acne disorders from mild to the most severe.

free skin care · Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:19 am

Thanks Bethany for clarifying regarding the H/L settings!

Yes they certainly are the same device so I am more perplexed than ever! The H/L is either power or US frequency or possibly both depending on which mode you are in perhaps. (Ion - power/ US - frequency/ combo - US frequency)

I think I will email Sqoom & see what I can find out. I like the idea of the 1.8mhz frequency option if in fact this is one!

free skin care · Sat Sep 21, 2013 11:33 am

Is the merbe as close a deal to the sqoom as can be. I mean should I save my pennies to get the sqoom or is the merbe which is a lot more affordable comparable to the sqoom and just as good. Can anyone enlighten me please!! I get soo close to purchasing the merbe then will read someone is not getting any results.

free skin care · Sat Sep 21, 2013 1:43 pm

zizi wrote:

Is the merbe as close a deal to the sqoom as can be. I mean should I save my pennies to get the sqoom or is the merbe which is a lot more affordable comparable to the sqoom and just as good. Can anyone enlighten me please!! I get soo close to purchasing the merbe then will read someone is not getting any results.

Zizi, you are going to find that is the case with every device, since not everyone sees results in every case. And to complicate things, every one of us is using different topicals, and that could definitely cause different outcomes as well. Sqoom says their gels are very critical to their results.

If I were you, I would wait to see what happens when I get my Sqoom gels...we can then see if my Merbe results rival Karenlee's (she is using the Sqoom gels and the Sqoom device). However, I have already seen results when using the Fyola HA gel that came with mine.

free skin care · Sat Sep 21, 2013 11:10 pm

Bethany, the slight marionette lines we talked about before starting this?

Going, going, nearly gone! Wow.

I posted a question on the other thread on "At-home Ultrasound" - hope you guys will check it out and lend me your smarts!

Appreciate it!

free skin care · Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:04 am

thanks Bethany. I really do appreciate your help and honesty. I will wait and see your results with the sqoom gels. It will be an interesting experiement... Smile

Please keep us updated. And on your results with the merbe and fyola gels.

free skin care · Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:26 am

zizi wrote:

thanks Bethany. I really do appreciate your help and honesty. I will wait and see your results with the sqoom gels. It will be an interesting experiement... Smile

Please keep us updated. And on your results with the merbe and fyola gels.

Will do!

The gels arrived and are just waiting for me to pick them up at the post office. I will be trying them out Monday night.

free skin care · Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:44 am

bethany wrote:

zizi wrote:

thanks Bethany. I really do appreciate your help and honesty. I will wait and see your results with the sqoom gels. It will be an interesting experiement... Smile

Please keep us updated. And on your results with the merbe and fyola gels.

Will do!

The gels arrived and are just waiting for me to pick them up at the post office. I will be trying them out Monday night.

I can't wait to hear what you think of the gel. I've been on the verge of pushing the "buy" button.

Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:03 am

ShastaGirl wrote:

bethany wrote:

zizi wrote:

thanks Bethany. I really do appreciate your help and honesty. I will wait and see your results with the sqoom gels. It will be an interesting experiement... Smile

Please keep us updated. And on your results with the merbe and fyola gels.

Will do!

The gels arrived and are just waiting for me to pick them up at the post office. I will be trying them out Monday night.

I can't wait to hear what you think of the gel. I've been on the verge of pushing the "buy" button.

Me too as my Merbe is on its way here... Smile

free skin care · Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:15 am

havana8 wrote:

Me too as my Merbe is on its way here... Smile

Congrats!

Shastagirl, I have even give up my Safetox after starting this (which I never thought I would do) because the impact on my forehead lines is about the same. However, I am not seeing results comparable to Karenlee's, which is why I went for the Sqoom gels.

FYI that this is very boring to use, but I now do it while watching tv...much more tolerable than doing it in my bathroom.

free skin care · Sun Sep 22, 2013 12:28 pm

Questions for Merbe owners: Karenlee posted the following a while ago in reference to the Sqoom Booster (Q & A with Sqoom) :

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The secial hyaluronic acid is oil-pre-dispersed. And this oil matrix could prevent the contact. You can see and test it with the red blinking light on the backside of the handheld. If there’s no light, there’s no contact. In this case simply 1-2-3 pumps of the acqua+ ….. and continue.

I am wondering if the Merbe also has this red blinking light on backside when there is contact. (I presume it does if in fact these 2 devices are functionally identical)

She also posted (from same Q & A):

(a) Why do we use M with this gel and not N?

M is our program M=Massage. With the physical power of 50 % push and 50 % pull = strengthening (micro-massage of the skin tissues) and in the same time a middle power of transport in the upper skinlayers) . N=Nutrition. With the physical power of 80 % push and 20 % pull = main work transporting in deeper skinlayers.

The 50/50 on the massage setting makes sense to me - since there are alternating + & - ions but I am perplexed regarding the 80/20 for the nutrition setting - since this is only - ions. Any ideas? Or perhaps they meant to say Lifting?

Does anyone have the full ingredient listing for the Booster?

Bethany - I see you say you have now stopped the Safetox due to not needing for forehead lines - has the Merbe also helped with the 11's? I have only very fine forehead lines but started getting 11's at 50 (never had 'em before that - go figure!) & the Safetox works very well for keeping them at bay!

Am also wondering if users are seeing decreased overall fine lines? I do not have any deep ones but I sure would like to eradicate the fine ones!

Thanks for any info/feedback! Smile

free skin care · Sun Sep 22, 2013 1:40 pm

My Merbe does have the blinking red light on the back. Otherwise I can't tell that it's doing anything since there is nothing to feel.

free skin care · Sun Sep 22, 2013 1:56 pm

Here is a list of all the DIY sites that sell HA and the weights of the HA they sell. If anyone knows any others fell free to add to the list.

Lotion Crafters
HA- 1000kDA
SLMW HA- <50kDA (avg. batch is 17kDA)
ULMW HA- 3-5 kDA

Garden of Wisdom
HA- 1000 kDA

BulkActives
HA- 1,320 kDA
ULMW- 5kDA

Making Cosmetics
HA- 800-1200 kDA
SLMW- <50kDa

SkinActives
HA- doesn't state but says by definition molecular weight of HA is in the millions

Skin Essential Actives
HA- 1500kDa
SLMW- .10x10-6 I take this to mean to the power of 6 which would make it 100kDa

Sell HA but don't state the molecular weight

Ingredients to die for
The Personal formulator

free skin care · Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:04 pm

cabrita wrote:

Bethany - I see you say you have now stopped the Safetox due to not needing for forehead lines - has the Merbe also helped with the 11's? I have only very fine forehead lines but started getting 11's at 50 (never had 'em before that - go figure!) & the Safetox works very well for keeping them at bay!

Am also wondering if users are seeing decreased overall fine lines? I do not have any deep ones but I sure would like to eradicate the fine ones!

I am seeing improvement in my glabellas (11's), forehead lines, neck lines, and also somewhat on some minor chest lines.

I am completely out of Fyola gel and HA serum, and am actually bummed that I can't do a full treatment tonight. Sad

. Maybe I'll try it with my regular serums and some skin fix.

free skin care · Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:27 pm

I am seeing a reduction in my neck ring lines, fine lines under my eye and some reduction in forehead lines and chest wrinkles.

It is still helping with lymph reduction in my under eye and jowl area.

Last Monday I did a treatment with my serums under some HA I got from DermaPen. My face looked lifted and pretty good the next day. The problem was my face muscles felt like I had done a bunch of facial exercises. They were kind of sore. I didn't know what to think about this, so I waited till last night to do another treatment. I also did the treatment on medium instead of high. I didn't get this soreness today. Has anybody else experienced this? I did 8 min. on M and 4 min. on N, both using the high setting.

Also my face tends to look better the day after then the night I do my treatment. Does anyone else find this to be true?

free skin care · Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:20 pm

Thank you ladies for your responses. Sounding encouraging overall.

Curious how long that Fyola tube lasted you Bethany & were you only using it on the cleansing/massage settings or on all of them. (trying to decide whether or not to order extra if/when I order the Merbe - I know you have sensitive skin so I'm sure I would be able to tolerate it also)

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The problem was my face muscles felt like I had done a bunch of facial exercises. They were kind of sore. I didn't know what to think about this, so I waited till last night to do another treatment. I also did the treatment on medium instead of high. I didn't get this soreness today. Has anybody else experienced this? I did 8 min. on M and 4 min. on N, both using the high setting.

I'm still wondering about the hi/med/low settings as to whether this is regarding the US &/or the Ion. (I do think if has to do with power intensity at least tho & perhaps your skin cannot tolerate the highest setting) I did send Sqoom's CS a list of questions including this one & also why they are suggesting ion only for eyes on the M2. (maybe due to depth penetration of 1mhz &/or perhaps the combo +/- ions on some settings?)

I am waiting for Beauly's response to my power question - but I "think" it is 1.5W/cm2 - at least on likely the highest setting - BUT this sounds quite powerful & your comment Cookie may have brought me over to the Merbe camp. Especially since 1.5W/cm2 might be destructive ultimately ! Shock

(although this could be good on fat cells !)

free skin care · Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:05 am

The Sqoom has been out for a long time, at least since 2009.

I can't seem to find many reviews on it though - has anyone? From regular people, in large numbers?

Would like to read. Thanks!

free skin care · Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:37 am

cabrita wrote:

Curious how long that Fyola tube lasted you Bethany & were you only using it on the cleansing/massage settings or on all of them. (trying to decide whether or not to order extra if/when I order the Merbe - I know you have sensitive skin so I'm sure I would be able to tolerate it also)

It lasted slightly less than a month, and I was using it on my face, neck, and chest. I also used it on all modes...I am not sure why they list it for just cleansing/massage?

free skin care · Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:42 am

CookieD wrote:

I am seeing a reduction in my neck ring lines, fine lines under my eye and some reduction in forehead lines and chest wrinkles.

It is still helping with lymph reduction in my under eye and jowl area.

Last Monday I did a treatment with my serums under some HA I got from DermaPen. My face looked lifted and pretty good the next day. The problem was my face muscles felt like I had done a bunch of facial exercises. They were kind of sore. I didn't know what to think about this, so I waited till last night to do another treatment. I also did the treatment on medium instead of high. I didn't get this soreness today. Has anybody else experienced this? I did 8 min. on M and 4 min. on N, both using the high setting.

Also my face tends to look better the day after then the night I do my treatment. Does anyone else find this to be true?

I did Lifting on high once, and my face definitely felt weird the next day. I'm sticking with medium!

free skin care · Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:54 am

JaeBlue wrote:

The Sqoom has been out for a long time, at least since 2009.

I can't seem to find many reviews on it though - has anyone? From regular people, in large numbers?

Would like to read. Thanks!

Considering the price point, I don't think we are going to find a ton of regular people....there are only 5 here on EDS with the actual Sqoom that have weighed in (including PQ).

I am wondering what % of their sales are to salons vs consumers, since I have seen them in their marketing videos.

But I haven't really seen many reviews for any of these type of devices.

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