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Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:19 pm  |
| I was recently talking to someone about occasional aches and pains when doing gardening and they mentioned something called Dog Oil (vegetable/mineral oils). I had never heard of it but it is supposed to be good for arthritis, muscle aches & pains etc. There is a UK website and it seems to be yet another of those old-fashioned inexpensive treatments that are still around/available and our grannies seem to know all about when you jog their memory! I have not used Dog Oil myself as yet but maybe someone on the forum has tried it. |
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Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:16 pm |
| Lacy53 wrote: |
And yet the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine (NCCAM) says; it is unclear whether ginger is effective in treating rheumatoid arthritis, osteoarthritis, or joint and muscle pain; and high-quality clinical evidence (i.e., studies in people) to support the use of cinnamon for any medical condition is generally lacking.
Those opinions are based on a review of all the evidence, rather than the results of a few isolated studies which show positive results(aka cherry-picking the evidence |
Actually, there are a lot more cherries than a few  Here are just a few research studies regarding Ginger and Cinnamon...
Study Reference: For Ginger
•Akoachere JF, Ndip RN, Chenwi EB et al. Antibacterial effect of Zingiber officinale and Garcinia kola on respiratory tract pathogens. East Afr Med J. 2002 Nov;79(11):588-92. 2002.
•Bode A. Ginger is an effective inhibitor of HCT116 human colorectal carcinoma in vivo. paper presented at the Frontiers in Cancer Prevention Research Conference, Phoenix, AZ, Ocbober 26-3-, 2003. 2003.
•Borrelli F, Capasso R, Aviello G, Pittler MH, Izzo AA. Effectiveness and safety of ginger in the treatment of pregnancy-induced nausea and vomiting. Obstet Gynecol. 2005 Apr;105(4):849-56. 2005. PMID:15802416.
•Ensminger AH, Ensminger, ME, Kondale JE, Robson JRK. Foods & Nutriton Encyclopedia. Pegus Press, Clovis, California. 1983.
•Ensminger AH, Esminger M. K. J. e. al. Food for Health: A Nutrition Encyclopedia. Clovis, California: Pegus Press; 1986. 1986. PMID:15210.
•Ficker CE, Arnason JT, Vindas PS et al. Inhibition of human pathogenic fungi by ethnobotanically selected plant extracts. Mycoses. 2003 Feb;46(1-2):29-37. 2003.
•Fischer-Rasmussen W, Kjaer SK, Dahl C, et al. Ginger treatment of hypereesis gravidarum. Eur J Obstet Gynecol Reprod Biol 38(1990):19-24. 1990.
•Fortin, Francois, Editorial Director. The Visual Foods Encyclopedia. Macmillan, New York. 1996.
•Grieve M. A Modern Herbal. Dover Publications, New York. 1971.
•Ippoushi K, Azuma K, Ito H, Horie H, Higashio H. [6]-Gingerol inhibits nitric oxide synthesis in activated J774.1 mouse macrophages and prevents peroxynitrite-induced oxidation and nitration reactions. Life Sci. 2003 Nov 14;73(26):3427-37.
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•Jagetia GC, Baliga MS, Venkatesh P, Ulloor JN. Influence of ginger rhizome (Zingiber officinale Rosc) on survival, glutathione and lipid peroxidation in mice after whole-body exposure to gamma radiation. Radiat Res. 2003 Nov;160(5):584-92. 2003.
•Kiuchi F, et al. Inhibition of prostaglandin and leukotriene biosynthesis by gingerols and diarylheptanoids. Chem Pharm Bull 40 (1992):387-91. 1992.
•Nature Immunology Online. Nature Immunology Online. 2001;10.1038/ni732. 2001.
•Phan PV, Sohrabi A, Polotsky A, Hungerford DS, Lindmark L, Frondoza CG. Ginger extract components suppress induction of chemokine expression in human synoviocytes. J Altern Complement Med. 2005 Feb;11(1):149-54. 2005. PMID:15750374.
•Rhode JM, Huang J, Fogoros S, Tan L, Zick S, Liu JR. Ginger induces apoptosis and autophagocytosis in ovarian cancer cells. Abstract #4510, presented April 4, 2006 at the 97th AACR Annual Meeting, April 1-5, 2006, Washington, DC. 2006.
•Srivastava KC, Mustafa T. Ginger (Zingiber officinale) and rheumatic disorders. Med Hypothesis 29 (1989):25-28. 1989.
•Srivastava KC, Mustafa T. Ginger (Zingiber officinale) in rheumatism and musculoskeletal disorders. Med Hypothesis 39(1992):342-8. 1992.
•Wigler I, Grotto I, Caspi D, Yaron M. The effects of Zintona EC (a ginger extract) on symptomatic gonarthritis. Osteoarthritis Cartilage. 2003 Nov;11(11):783-9.
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•Wood, Rebecca. The Whole Foods Encyclopedia. New York, NY: Prentice-Hall Press; 1988. 1988. PMID:15220
Study Reference: For Cinnamon
•Anderson RA, Broadhurst CL, Polansky MM, Schmidt WF, Khan A, Flanagan VP, Schoene NW, Graves DJ. Isolation and characterization of polyphenol type-A polymers from cinnamon with insulin-like biological activity. Diabetes Res Clin Pract. 2003 Dec;62(3):139-48. 2003.
•Broadhurst CL, Polansky MM, Anderson RA. Insulin-like biological activity of culinary and medicinal plant aqueous extracts in vitro. J Agric Food Chem 2000 Mar;48(3):849-52. 2000.
•Calucci L, Pinzino C, Zandomeneghi M et al. Effects of gamma-irradiation on the free radical and antioxidant contents in nine aromatic herbs and spices. J Agric Food Chem 2003 Feb 12; 51(4):927-34. 2003.
•Ensminger AH, Esminger M. K. J. e. al. Food for Health: A Nutrition Encyclopedia. Clovis, California: Pegus Press; 1986. 1986. PMID:15210.
•Fortin, Francois, Editorial Director. The Visual Foods Encyclopedia. Macmillan, New York. 1996.
•Grieve M. A Modern Herbal. Dover Publications, New York. 1971.
•Hlebowicz J, Darwiche G, Björgell O, Almér LO. Effect of cinnamon on postprandial blood glucose, gastric emptying, and satiety in healthy subjects. Am J Clin Nutr. 2007 Jun;85(6):1552-6. 2007. PMID:17556692.
•Impari-Radosevich J, Deas S, Polansky MM et al. Regulatino of PTP-1 and insulin receptor kinase by fractions from cinnamon:implications for cinnamon regulation of insulin signaling. Horm Res 1998 Sep;50(3):177-82. 1998.
•Khan A, Safdar M, Ali Khan MM, Khattak KN, Anderson RA. Cinnamon improves glucose and lipids of people with type 2 diabetes. Diabetes Care. 2003 Dec;26(12):3215-8. 2003.
•Murcia MA, Egea I, Romojaro F, Parras P, Jimenez AM, Martinez-Tome M. Antioxidant evaluation in dessert spices compared with common food additives. Influence of irradiation procedure. J Agric Food Chem. 2004 Apr 7;52(7):1872-81. 2004. PMID:15053523.
•Otsuka H, Fujioka S, Komiya T, et al. [Studies on anti-inflammatory agents. VI. Anti-inflammatory constituents of Cinnamomum sieboldii Meissn (author's transl)]. Yakugaku Zasshi 1982 Jan;102(2):162-72. 1982. PMID:12260.
•Ouattara B, Simard RE, Holley RA, et al. Antibacterial activity of selected fatty acids and essential oils against six meat spoilage organisms. Int J Food Microbiol 1997 Jul 22;37(2-3):155-62. 1997. PMID:12270.
•Qin B, Nagasaki M, Ren M, Bajotto G, Oshida Y, Sato Y. Cinnamon extract (traditional herb) potentiates in vivo insulin-regulated glucose utilization via enhancing insulin signaling in rats. Diabetes Res Clin Pract. 2003 Dec;62(3):139-48. . 2003.
•Qin B, Nagasaki M, Ren M, Bajotto G, Oshida Y, Sato Y. Cinnamon extract prevents the insulin resistance induced by a high-fructose diet. Horm Metab Res. 2004 Feb;36(2):119-25. 2004. PMID:15002064.
•Quale JM, Landman D, Zaman MM, et al. In vitro activity of Cinnamomum zeylanicum against azole resistant and sensitive Candida species and a pilot study of cinnamon for oral candidiasis. Am J Chin Med 1996;24(2):103-9. 1996. PMID:12530.
•Takenaga M, Hirai A, Terano T, et al. In vitro effect of cinnamic aldehyde, a main component of Cinnamomi Cortex, on human platelet aggregation and arachidonic acid metabolism. J Pharmacobiodyn 1987 May;10(5):201-8. 1987. PMID:12520.
•Valero M, Salmeron MC. Antibacterial activity of 11 essential oils against Bacillus cereus in tyndallized carrot broth. Int J Food Microbiol. Aug 15;85(1-2):73-81. 2003.
•VanderEnde DS, Morrow JD. Release of markedly increased quantities of prostaglandin D2 from the skin in vivo in humans after the application of cinnamic aldehyde. J Am Acad Dermatol 2001 Jul;45(1):62-7. 2001. PMID:12510.
•Wood, Rebecca. The Whole Foods Encyclopedia. New York, NY: Prentice-Hall Press; 1988. 1988. PMID:15220.
•Zoladz P, Raudenbush B, Lilley S. Cinnamon perks performance. Paper presented at the annual meeting of the Association for Chemoreception Sciences, held in Sarasota, FL, April 21-25, 2004. 2004. |
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Thu Nov 07, 2013 8:57 pm |
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Oh my God Kath- Yeah that's the Catholic Church in its finest hour I guess. It's hard to fathom that life could be so cruel. That poor woman deserved a far better fate, but we see how this is an example of how cancer *treatment* can literally destroy people physically, mentally and financially.
It doesn't need to be that way! |
True!!
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| Even those who have no mortage payments anymore, still have bills to pay. People in America are forced to pay more and more for healthcare (misnomer) and those without Healthcare, are now being forced to purchase it regardless of their income levels. It's a mess. |
Absolutely!!
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| When it comes to cancer, on top of the insurance premiums, patients are paying tremendous copays for these toxic treatments. Current salary levels for the average worker do not match the inflation rate. Despite all that, many company executives, in this case the university higher ups remain unaffected by all of this. Hell, Wall Street execs should be seeing a huge bonus come year end, for the supposed job well done. This economic boost is short lived, everybody knows it.. Indeed it's a very sad state of affairs. No one should have to die the way Mary Margaret did - weakened, scared, and stripped of her dignity. God rest her soul. |
YES!!
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... Actually it would be in the best interests of the pharmaceutical industry to find that ginger and cinnamon have bioactive ingredients with therapeutic value! They could then isolate the specific ingredient, synthesize it in the lab, patent it, and create a new medicine to sell to the public. Progress baby - no need to destroy crops or harvest from nature by hand, and the land could be repurposed (to grow food for the hungry, rather than cinnamon and ginger). That branch of the pharmaceutical industry is called Pharmacognosy:
The American Society of Pharmacognosy defines pharmacognosy as "the study of the physical, chemical, biochemical and biological properties of drugs, drug substances or potential drugs or drug substances of natural origin as well as the search for new drugs from natural sources."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmacognosy
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COOL. ^ ^ |
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Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:39 pm |
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| Really, anyone who relies solely on Natural News for their medical/health information needs to expand their sources of information. Read the actual journal articles if possible, and expand your sources to include the mainstream media to get a more balanced and accurate view of the issue. Relying on one alternative-biased source of information really skews your opinion on the topic, especially when it contains so much misinformation and half-truths. |
Sure if I want some more lies I'll stick to mainstream media who are well supported by the pharmaceutical indsutry. Lol. Natural News isn't going to be up your alley Lacy, everybody knows that. The article might be slanted in the way it's presented, but it is supported by sources, nontheless. Despite all of your studies and information from government agencies, I happen to know of two women who were most defintely *misdiagnosed*.. One actually had cancer two years prior and the breast evaluation center where she had her mammo told her she was all clear and the other was treated for breast cancer, when she never even had cancer to begin with. Happens all the time. When greed drives an industry, and patients are being shuttled in and out for tests like cattle, there will be errors made. Errors in test results, errors in judgement, and errors in recommendations. I don't feel sorry for doctors in the least. They are at least partially responsible for the sad state of affairs of American medicine. |
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Fri Nov 08, 2013 3:38 pm |
| aprile wrote: |
| When greed drives an industry, and patients are being shuttled in and out for tests like cattle, there will be errors made. |
This is what I fail to understand - the US is the only country in the world which has a profit driven health industry which everyone seems to criticise. And yet, when anyone mentions the benefits of a nationalised health scheme, people rise up in horror and bandy the word "Marxism" around. Margaret Mary would never have wound up destitute had she been living in a country with health care and social benefits. She would have been receiving an Old Age Pension and free health care and had access to a nursing home. |
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Fri Nov 08, 2013 6:54 pm |
| Keliu wrote: |
| aprile wrote: |
| When greed drives an industry, and patients are being shuttled in and out for tests like cattle, there will be errors made. |
This is what I fail to understand - the US is the only country in the world which has a profit driven health industry which everyone seems to criticise. And yet, when anyone mentions the benefits of a nationalised health scheme, people rise up in horror and bandy the word "Marxism" around. Margaret Mary would never have wound up destitute had she been living in a country with health care and social benefits. She would have been receiving an Old Age Pension and free health care and had access to a nursing home. |
Personally, I feel the entire "cancer" industry is an abomination. It doesn't really matter whether or not the treatments are paid for by government healthcare programs or health insurance benefits. As previously discussed, there is no such thing as FREE. The funding needs to come from somewhere i.e., higher taxes or tarrifs. It cannot survive without funding. In the U.S. it just feels worse because when patients buy into the treatment plan and then can't afford to pay their patient balance due, they are forced to live scared, in poverty and debt and sadly some die the way Mary Margaret did. There's no happy medium though. What about socialized medicine patients waiting inordinate amounts of time for surgeries or treatments? Perhaps this Forbes article will shed a little light on WHY many Americans don't think socialized medicine will be any better. http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2011/12/19/the-ugly-realities-of-socialized-medicine-are-not-going-away-3/ |
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Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:05 pm |
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| Personally, I feel the entire "cancer" industry is an abomination. |
Maybe you would feel differently if you or a family member developed cancer. So far we've only heard from Deb (who has never outlined her treatment) and TheresaMary on their personal experiences.
Did you see the link I posted earlier about the new LifeHouse cancer treatment centre which opened this month in Sydney? I'd love to see some response from someone in that organisation to your statement that cancer is an "industry". |
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Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:09 pm |
| aprile wrote: |
| Personally, I feel the entire "cancer" industry is an abomination. |
Maybe you would feel differently if you or a family member developed cancer. So far we've only heard from Deb (who has never outlined her treatment) and TheresaMary on their personal experiences.
Did you see the link I posted earlier about the new LifeHouse cancer treatment centre which opened this month in Sydney? I'd love to see some response from someone in that organisation to your statement that cancer is an "industry". It's a non-profit organisation by the way.
In regard to socialised health system's waiting lists - their is no doubt that this can be a problem. However, if you have a serious medical complaint you will get preferential treatment. But any system will only be as good as the money that's put into it. Regardless, I still think that some type of system is better than none at all. |
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Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:39 pm |
Just wanted to add to my post above that if you wanted to write a list of all the things that were wrong with our Australian Medicare system, you'd end up with a tome the size of a telephone book - it is definitely not Utopian. However, when my elderly parents (who did not have private health insurance) became ill, my mother had a heart attack and required open heart surgery and my father developed pancreatic cancer and was given six months to live and required palliative care. Both received the very best of care - for free. If they had of lived in the US, like Theresa Mary, they would of had to have sold their home to pay for the medical costs - and that probably wouldn't have covered them entirely.
I know what system I'd rather have. |
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Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:52 am |
Anyone read that two influential agencies moved to classify TCA as a possible carcinogen? I think some of the comments in this article on "A Warning on Chemical Peels" can be applied to all sorts of things when it comes to the challenge of determining what is carcinogenic. Here are a few interesting excerpts:
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Concern about the acid has been growing since the 1990s, when early studies began linking it to cancers in animals. The California E.P.A. first flagged it as a potential carcinogen in 1999, but decided the evidence wasn’t strong enough to say more.
But scrutiny intensified after a 2011 review by the federal Environmental Protection Agency, which cited study after study in lab mice linking TCA to liver cancer; one research group called it a “complete carcinogen.”
Although the bulk of the TCA studies involve animals, a few human studies also hint at harm. A report published this summer in the journal Environmental Science and Pollution Research found evidence of both genetic and cellular damage in human subjects.
But such research is rare. The federal E.P.A.’s analysis emphasized the dearth of good human studies : “No human epidemiology or occupational studies of TCA were located. Case reports and accounts of the medical use of TCA for skin treatments demonstrate its potential for skin corrosion and eye irritation. However, no information on systemic toxicity following dermal exposure of humans to TCA was identified.”
So do chemical peels with TCA raise your risk of cancer? “The short answer is, nobody knows,” said Dr. Michael Hadley, an associate professor of dermatology at the University of Utah and a co-author of a chapter on TCA in the Color Atlas of Chemical Peels. “I can tell you that the link is not proven or shown in any human studies. But that’s partly because we haven’t done the long term research that would give us all the answers.” |
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| Even public health advocates admit that it’s difficult to assess the risk. “Cancer is complicated, exposures are complicated, and it’s ethically difficult to do the kinds of human studies that might tell us what we really want to know,” said Caroline Cox, research director of the Center for Environmental Health, an advocacy group in Oakland, Calif. “In the universe of chemical compounds used in commerce, there are so few that have been thoroughly tested.” |
The full article is here: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/25/a-warning-on-chemical-peels/?_r=0 |
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Sun Nov 10, 2013 8:15 pm |
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Just wanted to add to my post above that if you wanted to write a list of all the things that were wrong with our Australian Medicare system, you'd end up with a tome the size of a telephone book - it is definitely not Utopian. However, when my elderly parents (who did not have private health insurance) became ill, my mother had a heart attack and required open heart surgery and my father developed pancreatic cancer and was given six months to live and required palliative care. Both received the very best of care - for free. If they had of lived in the US, like Theresa Mary, they would of had to have sold their home to pay for the medical costs - and that probably wouldn't have covered them entirely.
I know what system I'd rather have. |
Keliu, my condolences.
For international comparison purposes, here’s a frightening, yet hysterical, look at the current legal and allegedly *free* medical care system in Russia, which in reality is a two-tier structure – pay or DON’T (at your own risk) and one journalist’s journey through his pre-cancer(ous) treatment there. (FWIW His account, also, made me recall my own bizarre medical emergency visit whilst vacationing in Yalta.)
Putincare: Russia’s Alternative to Obamacare
by James Brooke
Posted October 31st, 2013
With Obamacare dividing America, I thought it my patriotic duty to do a firsthand, between the hospital sheets, investigation of Putincare.
So, here is my report, straight from frayed bed linens stamped Mинистерство Zдравоохранения – Health Ministry.
Read the rest of the article here: http://blogs.voanews.com/russia-watch/2013/10/31/putincare-russias-alternative-to-obamacare/ |
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Sun Nov 10, 2013 8:43 pm |
Kath - when I was studying photography, my lecturer went to Russia to do a photographic essay on the state of hospitals in Russia. What he came back with was a set of photographs that looked as if they'd been taken in the 18th Century. Most of the images were truly disturbing.
As I've said before, any health care system is only going to be as good as the money that's put into it. You cannot compare the systems that are in place in other countries to that of Russia. We've had other people raise the state of Russian health care as a reason to not have a universal health care system in the US - I believe that to be scare tactics.
As I've said already, in countries where there is free health care, the public hospitals tend to be far better equipped than private hospitals which are operated for profit. |
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Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:49 am |
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On a more positive note: A new centre for the treatment of cancer has opened up in Sydney, Australia this month. The centre was conceived by an oncology doctor who featured on a documentary style TV show featuring patients from the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital. In a horrible twist of fate the doctor was diagnosed with a very aggressive brain tumour and consequently died. (His battle was also documented on the show). However, his wife wanted to see his dream of a cancer centre fulfilled and continued his work to see the it become a reality. The centre will be available to everyone, regardless of economic standing. It will also offer alternative as well as traditional treatments.
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Lifehouse will offer alternative medicine treatments and psychological services for patients such as massage, meditation, acupuncture, music therapy and yoga.
''We know 50 per cent of patients seek some kind of alternative therapy, but quite often they won't tell their doctor about it,'' he said. ''What we hope to do over time is combine the records of these therapies with our traditional medical records so we will be able to develop an evidence base to see the impact these therapies are having on treatment.''
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/health/from-dying-wish-to-real-option-in-cancer-fight-20131105-2wzqw.html#ixzz2jxgv6RjT |
http://www.lifehouserpa.org.au/Lifehouse/About_Lifehouse.aspx |
Thanks for telling us about it, Keliu. It looks like a beautiful facility with lots of resources online and off. I really like their vision and model of care values. I can't find the link right now but it even looks as if they put out a magazine called LifeSupport.
Here are their screening recommendations:
Screening Programs
Screening is not recommended for everyone. It involves having a test for cancer when you don’t have any symptoms. It’s a great way of detecting some cancers early, when there’s a much better chance of treatment. It is recommended for specific groups where we know there is a definite benefit.
as well as cancer prevention info to "maximize our chances of living an illness free life": http://www.lifehouserpa.org.au/Understanding_cancer/Prevention_and_screening/Cancer_prevention.aspx |
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Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:44 pm |
This story made our TV news last night:
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Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:05 pm |
This is the sort of thing (Re: FDA) Aprile is always speaking of. |
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Sat Jan 04, 2014 3:29 pm |
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This is the sort of thing (Re: FDA) Aprile is always speaking of. |
Yeah not only that, most people are unaware that many prescription medications contain flourides which are known toxins. Flourides, flourines, bromides, bromines, etc., all block magnesium absorption in humans. Is it any wonder why cancer is on the rise? The website below lists the *types* of medications as well as the specific ones that contain flourides. I suffered for years with chronic bladder infections and could only take certain antibiotics to get rid of them, most of them fall in the Fluoroquinolone catgeory. It all makes total sense to me now why I have such a major magnesium deficiency. Btw, two major anti-dpressents also contain flourines; Prozac and Paxil. AND one of the biggies that contains flourines? The chemotherapy drug *Fluorouracil* It's truly sickening since flourines CAUSE CANCER.
http://www.slweb.org/ftrc.html |
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Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:21 am |
It looks like the debate on mammography screening has gotten more complicated:
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Breast cancer death rates in Canada didn't improve with mammograms
Mammography screening makes no difference to breast cancer death rates but it can lead to harm from over-diagnosis, a 25-year study of nearly 90,000 women suggests.
In Monday’s issue of the British Medical journal, Canadian researchers conclude annual screening in women aged 45 to 59 at average risk does not reduce breast cancer mortality any more than a physical exam.
"Twenty-two per cent of women with screen-detected invasive breast cancer got treatment that they really didn't need," says study author Dr. Cornelia Baines, a retired professor at the University of Toronto’s Dalla Lana School of Public Health.
"All over-diagnosis results in unnecessary surgery, unnecessary chemotherapy, unnecessary radiotherapy and unnecessary hormonal therapy," she says. |
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The study's authors said their results support a suggestion from researchers in Denmark that policy-makers should urgently "reassess" the rationale for screening.
A journal editorial published with the study called it the only trial to enrol participants in the modern treatment era among women who were educated about physical breast exams. In the editorial, Dr. Mette Kalager from University of Oslo called for more efficient ways to reconsider priorities and recommendations for mammography screening.
"This is not an easy task, because governments, research funders, scientists, and medical practitioners may have vested interests in continuing activities that are well-established," the editorial concludes. |
Rest of the article is here: http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/breast-cancer-death-rates-in-canada-didn-t-improve-with-mammograms-1.2532730
Other related articles:
Contentious Canadian study says mammography doesn’t cut deaths from breast cancer
http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/02/12/contentious-canadian-study-says-mammography-doesnt-cut-deaths-from-breast-cancer/
Vast Study Casts Doubts on Value of Mammograms
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/12/health/study-adds-new-doubts-about-value-of-mammograms.html?hpw&rref=health&_r=0
I was surprised to see the revised gudelines for breast cancer screening in BC--basically women under 40 would need a doctor's referral to undergo mammography screening; although described as "contentious", women between 40-49 will be allowed to be screened every two years without a doctor's note; women between 50-74 are recommended screening every two years; high-risk women are ok'd for yearly screening. In Ontario, apparently screening doesn't start until 50.
British Columbia OKs annual breast cancer screening for high-risk women
http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/british-columbia-oks-annual-breast-cancer-screening-for-high-risk-women-1.1669724#ixzz2t8L2ctiJ |
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Wed Feb 12, 2014 12:31 pm |
| Yes Havanna - I am NOT at all surprised. Our culture is set up to *believe* that testing will prevent cancer. When in fact, that's the furthest thing from the truth. In fact, most breast cancers are found by the patient. Also, I have read that some breast cancers disappear on their own. So all the mammograms do is stress women out from false positives and unnecessary exposure to radiation which causes breast and other cancers. My 35 year old niece just had a double mastectomy due to a spot in her one breast that she probably could have treated holistically giving the breasts and the body what it needs. ... iodine, selenium, magnesium, zinc and B complex. Not to mention, cannibus medicine is now at the forefront of cancer treatment and prevention. There's no need for all the drastic measures being taken and in my mind, and many in the alternative community... these barbaric surgeries and treatments are medical malpractice. ~ Aprile |
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Wed Feb 12, 2014 3:16 pm |
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| Yes Havanna - I am NOT at all surprised. Our culture is set up to *believe* that testing will prevent cancer. When in fact, that's the furthest thing from the truth. In fact, most breast cancers are found by the patient. Also, I have read that some breast cancers disappear on their own. So all the mammograms do is stress women out from false positives and unnecessary exposure to radiation which causes breast and other cancers. My 35 year old niece just had a double mastectomy due to a spot in her one breast that she probably could have treated holistically giving the breasts and the body what it needs. ... iodine, selenium, magnesium, zinc and B complex. Not to mention, cannibus medicine is now at the forefront of cancer treatment and prevention. There's no need for all the drastic measures being taken and in my mind, and many in the alternative community... these barbaric surgeries and treatments are medical malpractice. ~ Aprile |
Aprile, testing does not prevent cancer, it detects it at a very early stage, but it still detects cancer. Those headlines seem amazing, mammography did not prevent death from cancer. Well, it is not really a breaking news that nothing prevents death. Would have been really nice to see how much longer those women lived due to the treatment they received on time.
And let us remember that screening is simple opportunity provided to women to take the exam if they like, no one forces you to do that. I think it is great to have that opportunity, especially for those who have the cancer in the family. Vitamins are fine, but not for treating cancer, unfortunately. And again and again, there are so many types of breast cancer, it is just too naive to put them all in one pot and address them as one disease.
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Wed Feb 12, 2014 4:45 pm |
| light123 wrote: |
| aprile wrote: |
| Yes Havanna - I am NOT at all surprised. Our culture is set up to *believe* that testing will prevent cancer. When in fact, that's the furthest thing from the truth. In fact, most breast cancers are found by the patient. Also, I have read that some breast cancers disappear on their own. So all the mammograms do is stress women out from false positives and unnecessary exposure to radiation which causes breast and other cancers. My 35 year old niece just had a double mastectomy due to a spot in her one breast that she probably could have treated holistically giving the breasts and the body what it needs. ... iodine, selenium, magnesium, zinc and B complex. Not to mention, cannibus medicine is now at the forefront of cancer treatment and prevention. There's no need for all the drastic measures being taken and in my mind, and many in the alternative community... these barbaric surgeries and treatments are medical malpractice. ~ Aprile |
Aprile, testing does not prevent cancer, it detects it at a very early stage, but it still detects cancer. Those headlines seem amazing, mammography did not prevent death from cancer. Well, it is not really a breaking news that nothing prevents death. Would have been really nice to see how much longer those women lived due to the treatment they received on time.
And let us remember that screening is simple opportunity provided to women to take the exam if they like, no one forces you to do that. I think it is great to have that opportunity, especially for those who have the cancer in the family. Vitamins are fine, but not for treating cancer, unfortunately. And again and again, there are so many types of breast cancer, it is just too naive to put them all in one pot and address them as one disease.
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Light - Mammos emit radiation and radiation causes cancer simple as that. The question is they lie about just *how much* radiation exposure a woman would have by the time she reached say age 55 or 60 when women *usually* get breast cancer. Yes its great to have *choices* but the medical profession doesn't offer you *choices* at all. It offers you mammos...and as a patient you are made to feel that without them, you might fall victim to the disease. That's the point I was trying to make.
Thermographpy is a safe altlernative and can detect changes in the breast even earlier than mammograms. BUT, it's not their standard protocol, so it won't be recognized a a valid alternative. Rather, clinics continue to invest in 3D Mammography - even more radiation. What's wrong with this picture?
The *real* problem with mainstream medicine is they try to scare women, making them *think* they need their annual dose of radiation under the guise of early detection. God forbid they have cancer, then they become vulnerable to all of the dangerous recommended treatments that will most definitely wreak further havoc on their health. Btw, if they were really and truly honest, they would tell you that your odds of surviving cancer after chemo and radiation are very poor...
Btw, cannibus is not a mineral like the rest of the items I mentioned. It's a plant that has been proven to be quite effective to treat all sorts of diseases. Of course, don't let the FDA know. Lol. |
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Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:16 am |
| light123 wrote: |
Light - Mammos emit radiation and radiation causes cancer simple as that. The question is they lie about just *how much* radiation exposure a woman would have by the time she reached say age 55 or 60 when women *usually* get breast cancer. Yes its great to have *choices* but the medical profession doesn't offer you *choices* at all. It offers you mammos...and as a patient you are made to feel that without them, you might fall victim to the disease. That's the point I was trying to make.
Thermographpy is a safe altlernative and can detect changes in the breast even earlier than mammograms. BUT, it's not their standard protocol, so it won't be recognized a a valid alternative. Rather, clinics continue to invest in 3D Mammography - even more radiation. What's wrong with this picture?
The *real* problem with mainstream medicine is they try to scare women, making them *think* they need their annual dose of radiation under the guise of early detection. God forbid they have cancer, then they become vulnerable to all of the dangerous recommended treatments that will most definitely wreak further havoc on their health. Btw, if they were really and truly honest, they would tell you that your odds of surviving cancer after chemo and radiation are very poor...
Btw, cannibus is not a mineral like the rest of the items I mentioned. It's a plant that has been proven to be quite effective to treat all sorts of diseases. Of course, don't let the FDA know. Lol. |
This is the dark side of screening and vaccination programs in general, one gets the benefits and the other suffers the side effects. In Europe regular screening is offered to women over 50 years, not over 40 y.
What comes to thermography, as of today it has not shown to be effectively detecting breast cancer, therefore it has not been approved as a valid technology. But, there is a new type of thermography technology in development, let's hope it is made available soon.
And yes there are other choices, MRI, PET for detecting breast cancer, they are more expensive and longer scanning time, but available.
It would have been easy if things were clear-cut, like radiation is all good or all bad, but it is not the case. The benefit is somewhere between those two far ends, some benefit and don't, it is good to be knowledgeable and make educated choice.
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Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:08 am |
I get everything you are saying Light about the testing. But there is clear cut evidence that radiation is harmful to the body as evidenced by nuclear explosions. I don't think you can separate the two. It's like saying a little bit of cigarette smoking won't kill ya. Confused  |
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Sat May 16, 2015 9:48 am |
Bumping this amazing thread. The most important thread EVER on EDS IMO. It's not a question if Vitamin K2 will be the next huge talked about vitamin like D3 has been for some time now, it's when. Likely a number of years from now. Yes it's talked about, but your neighbor next door has no idea. I've been taking it since late 2008. I've seen it before with things like Melatonin, DHEA, D3. The science comes out, but the general public is not fully aware of it till many years later. You think competition for big Pharma has anything to do with it?$$$$$$ Of course it does.
What I would encourage everyone to do is first read this long thread. Hey it's not like your reading the Dermarolling thread. 
Then do your own research. Not taking Vitamin K2 along with important co-factors like D3, Magnesium (not the Oxide form),boron, Vitamin A (Careful not to take too much...Beta-Carotene in your supp is perfect) is too costly a mistake for you and those you love. A HUGE and I mean HUGE mistake is all the people taking calcium supps alone with no K2. Don't believe me? Do the research.
I believe MK4 is likely the most important of the 2 due to the fact that activator X (Weston Price) was mainly MK4. I believe that the reason it does not last long in the blood is because the body quickly uses it and puts it to good use. I've read others say that and it just makes sense. I have first hand proof of the importance of MK4. I used to take the Vitacost formula that had MK4 and MK7 for a few years. Had 2 cavities re-mineralize. Along with support nutrients D3, Magnesium, boron, etc. Then sometime back I bought the one with only MK7 thinking all along that the MK7 was superior due to the long half life and all the praise it gets. Well low and behold one of my cavities started showing again and became sensitive. I got back on the combo MK7,MK4 and the re-mineralizing process started again. I feel like shouting this info to everyone I meet but I don't. What do I know? I don't have a degree in medicine. Tired of plaque forming on your teeth? Take MK4 and it will rid plaque from your teeth. Do a Google search on this and you will find plenty of other accounts of this. Think about it? It takes plaque/calcium out of areas you don't want it (elastin of skin, joints, arteries, teeth plaque) and puts it in areas you DO want ( bones, teeth). Much is still not known about the true power of K2.
http://www.lef.org/Magazine/2009/1/Vitamin-K-Protection-Against-Arterial-Calcification-Bone-Loss-Cancer-Aging/Page-01
http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/item01724/Super-K-with-Advanced-K2-Complex
http://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-ultra-vitamin-k-with-advanced-k2-complex
http://www.k-vitamins.com/index.php?page=Home
http://www.amazon.com/THORNE-RESEARCH-Vitamin-Liquid-Health/dp/B000FGWDTK
http://www.onlyemu.com.au/Vitamin-K2-and-Emu-Oil.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/on-the-trail-of-the-elusive-x-factor-a-sixty-two-year-old-mystery-finally-solved/
http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/46833-vitamin-k2-mk4-vs-mk7/
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/the-vitamin-deficiency-that-is-written-all-over-your-face/ |
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