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Sandraben
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Wed Jun 01, 2005 6:13 am  |
| Hello! I've had great success with the aspirin toner. I use one aspirin, a squirt of aloe vera gel, and a bit of water. Mix it up and have an instant, fantastic toner. However, I'm wondering if I'll have even better blackhead removal and anti-aging results if I use a bit of hydrogen peroxide. Peter Thomas Roth uses hydrogen peroxide in several products and I have read online that it is good for the skin, but I have also read the exact opposite. I'm confused. Any feedback? Thanks!! |
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Wed Jun 01, 2005 12:08 pm |
| Hydrogen peroxide used to be used routinely in hospitals etc to clean wounds. It kills bacteria. But studies showed that it was too harsh and hurt the skin's ability to heal itself. Now, the hospitals just use plain saline to flush wounds. I wouldn't use on a regular basis on my face. |
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Wed Jun 01, 2005 1:46 pm |
| My college room mate used it on her face 15 years ago, not sure if it has anything to do with the fact that she has wrinkled a lot faster than the group of us...... |
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Wed Jun 01, 2005 6:25 pm |
| As betterat40 said, it is too harsh to be used on the face. It is great for usage for gum cleaning, etc... |
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Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:26 pm |
Yikes! Hydrogen Peroxide is an oxidant. Your skin will deteriorate in no time. It causes free radical damage so you will look older than your age as an effect.
This is from Paula Begoun:
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Without question, published research on free-radical damage, and the many scientists researching it, confirms that oxygen, along with other factors such as sunlight, pollution, enzyme actions, and hydrogen peroxide, does cause free-radical damage. Oxygen is necessary for life, but so are the processes causing free-radical damage. Many human and plant systems would not work without it. However, oxygen (and other oxidizing agents) left unchecked (without the balance of antioxidants) can be problematic for the body and skin. I can quote from endless sources proving the problematic nature of oxygen; but here are just a few for your consideration.
Reproductive BioMedicine Online, January-February 2003, pages 84–96: "...many aspects of early mammalian development, from fertilization through to differentiation of the principal organ systems, take place in vivo in a low oxygen environment. This may serve to protect the embryo from free radical damage, from exposure of early embryos to ambient oxygen concentrations..."
Mutation Research, December 2002, pages 111–119: "However, it is known that exposure to high concentrations of oxygen may lead to oxidative stress and cause cell and tissue damage. Oxygen toxicity and possible cancer-promoting effects of HBO [hyperbaric oxygen] therapy have been a matter of serious concern."
Journal of Biological Chemistry, November 2002, pages 42563–42571: "...O2 [oxygen] and H2O [water] damage cells in different ways."
Toxicology Letters, July 21, 2002, pages 203–210: "Increased oxygen concentrations can also lead to an increased production of reactive oxygen species (ROS). If antioxidant defenses are not completely efficient, ROS can cause cell injury including DNA damage."
The Reporter, Vanderbilt Medical Center,www.mc.vanderbilt.edu/reporter, February 7, 2003: " ‘...oxygen is not as benign as many believe it is,' said Dr. L. Jackson Roberts II, professor of Pharmacology and Medicine... 'it [is] possible to study the oxygen-induced damage and to evaluate potential therapeutic interventions like antioxidants...' "
Life Extension Magazine, September 1998: "Free radicals are highly reactive molecules produced in the body, often derived from oxygen, that carry an unpaired electron on their surface, making them prone to causing damage to other molecules they encounter. The ongoing, damaging effects of free radicals may be involved in aging and degenerative disease."
You can search the Internet and find information that concurs with yours, but none of it is cited or identified, or when the information is sourced, it dates back to the ‘70s, well before the extensive research on oxidative damage started taking place. Valerie, any current evidence supporting your notion that oxygen does not cause free-radical damage would have been helpful to validate your viewpoint, but I suspect the reason you didn't include any is because there is none to be found. |
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Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:31 pm |
| Deacon, looks like you were right about your old roommate!! |
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Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:01 pm |
| I wonder if the same ill effects holds true for benzoyl peroxide? |
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Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:02 pm |
| I wonder if the same ill effects holds true for benzoyl peroxide? |
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winter_pixie
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Thu Jun 02, 2005 1:24 am |
| alilicious wrote: |
| I wonder if the same ill effects holds true for benzoyl peroxide? |
I was thinking the same thing... I just went into the bathroom to check my newly acquired Dermalogica Clearing Booster, it contains 5% Benzoyl Peroxide. Altough it's only to be used in very small amounts on the actual breakout.
I just googled it an found relieving results:
"(BP) acts as an antibacterial agent against P. acnes, a bacterium that aggravates acne. Benzoyl peroxide is most effective against inflammatory acne that consists of papules, pustules and cysts. BP causes mild desquamation often with scaliness, peeling and cracking. The drying will not cause wrinkles. Start with the lower strength (2.5% or 5%) preparations first. The stronger strengths (5% & 10%) can be irritating. A gel is usually more drying and stronger than a lotion or a cream. A BP wash is a good way to start verses a BP gel, lotion or cream." www.dermatologistrx.com/freeadvice/glossary.asp
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Thu Jun 02, 2005 4:03 am |
| Yikes! Hydrogen Peroxide causes free-radical damage & abnormal cell mutation. Don't use it at all! Although it does provide extra oxygen to the skin, it is unstable without the addition of very specific oxido-reductase enzymes. Just avoid it completely. |
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Sandraben
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Thu Jun 02, 2005 5:04 am |
| Thank you! Thank you! I'm glad I posted, you guys are a wealth of information. I'll never put this stuff near my skin. The only reason I considered it is because I have a free sample of this Peter Thomas Roth toner that has aloe vera and hydrogen peroxide in it. I already use aloe and aspirin as a homemade toner (which rocks), so I considered a third ingrediant. Thanks!! |
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Thu Jun 02, 2005 1:22 pm |
| pbsadhaka wrote: |
| Yikes! Hydrogen Peroxide causes free-radical damage & abnormal cell mutation. Don't use it at all! Although it does provide extra oxygen to the skin, it is unstable without the addition of very specific oxido-reductase enzymes. Just avoid it completely. |
Is it okay to use (if nothing else is available) to disinfect a cut or scratch on your hand or knees? |
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Thu Jun 02, 2005 2:09 pm |
This is more worrying as the majority of Oxygen Anti Aging skin treatments use Hydrogen peroxide as their active. (eg Karin Herzog - which I tried ages ago and hated - broke me out, was petrochemical based,felt horrible on the skin and hurt like hell on any spots!!).
I was put off using any O2 products because of this. (However I recently had a sample of the O2 serum from PSF skincare which according to the website isn't based on Hydrogen Peroxide - and loved it - I would have ordered a big bottle but am a bit broke at the minute!  Defintely on the 'to get'list though!) |
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Lucia, VERY fair (ghostly so!)redhead, combination skin prone to dehydration. |
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Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:25 pm |
carekate,
Yes, it would be Ok to use occasionally on a cut or abrasion. Blood contains enzymes that reduce the Hydrogen Peroxide to diatomic oxygen and water - both of which are harmless substances. That is why Hydrogen peroxide foams up on a cut. But to just put it on skin topically would not have the same effect.
Medical facilities & hospitals are now using saline (sodium chloride) irrigation instead of hydrogen peroxide because of the findings of cell damage due to H2O2. |
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Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:39 pm |
Lucia,
Yes, you are correct about the O2 Serum. It does not work on the same premise as Hydrogen Peroxide. It is a stabilized form of oxygen that attaches to a free radical & neutralizes it. I don't mean to insult anyone's intelligence here, but maybe a quick overview on what a free radical is might help clear up any confusion:
A free radical is a toxic compound that has lost a negatively charged electron. It is produced in the body as a by-product of metabolic oxidation. It therefore carries a positive charge and is unstable. It is capable of attracting an electron away from a vital cellular site such as the electron-rich DNA. Loss of an electron can damage a cell and alter its ability to perform its special function or to replicate itself normally. By introducing an oxygen rich compound with a weak attraction to one of its electrons, O2 Rescue Serum has a spare negative oxygen, and readily surrenders an electron to a free radical. This stabilizes and neutralizes the free radical, which then becomes a stable compound and no longer poses a threat to cell structures.
This is the basic premise for the most effective and stable antioxidants. Traditional antioxidants, however (green tea, vitamin c, etc), still have a positively charged oxygen, so the negative bonds with the spare positive in the body, but then creates an unstable bond in the antioxidant. So then that molecule searches out another spare negative oxygen, and the process continues, but on a lesser & lesser scale. So in reality, there are still free radicals, but they are slightly less damaging, as they begin to act on the antioxidant instead of the biological cell structure of the body.
Hope this makes sense! 
-Darren
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Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:41 am |
I tried to look for the simple Asprin or Green Tea toner in the forum but with no success. If anyone has it, could you be so kind to post it again? I do not need the Aloe Vera though, I am allergic to it.
Thanks.
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Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:21 pm |
Thanks Faith. But I looked and looked  and still do not seem to find recipes for either toner (asprin & Green tea) in this thread (DIY). 
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Sat Jun 04, 2005 7:19 am |
| m...I remember seeing it somewhere. I will look |
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Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:02 am |
| Kk1668 wrote: |
Thanks Faith. But I looked and looked and still do not seem to find recipes for either toner (asprin & Green tea) in this thread (DIY).
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Look again in the DIY Skincare Recipes thread -- I just cut & pasted the green tea toner recipe, and I'm hunting down the aspirin toner recipe and will post that one as soon as I locate it. |
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Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:09 am |
| Wow, my mom has used hydrogine peroxide for years on her skin as a toner. She has great skin and looks wonderful for her age. She seldom get a pimple. She washes her face with an antibacterial soap, apply peroxide with cotton ball, and then uses castor oil lightly she's now moved up to Mary Kay night emoillent. Her skin is silky, smooth, and she has no wrinkles and she's 55. I'm not sure if it's because we are African American or genetics. She accredits her great skin to peroxide and not using so many harsh products. |
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Mon Jun 06, 2005 7:30 am |
Guapaboy's grannie was a big fan of HP as well and would put it (neat) on anything. That includes poor GB's willy which he got caught in his zip  ...He won't go near the stuff now  |
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Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:41 pm |
i just got a skin biopsy today, and the derm told me to clean the scabs (if any) with hydrogen peroxide. Reading this thread, I am afraid now that if I put the hydrogen peroxide on the wound, it will not be good for my skin. Should I not use it and just use bacitracin oiintment?
Hm.... Can anyone clarify this?
cheers |
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:20 am |
| roadtonowhere wrote: |
| i just got a skin biopsy today, and the derm told me to clean the scabs (if any) with hydrogen peroxide. Reading this thread, I am afraid now that if I put the hydrogen peroxide on the wound, it will not be good for my skin. Should I not use it and just use bacitracin oiintment? |
in this instance, i'd listen to your doc and do what he told you to do. if he told you to put hydrogen peroxide on the scabs, put hydrogen peroxide on the scabs! i'm sure he's been doing this long enough, and a little HP isn't going to kill you. or your skin. really. dabbing it on the scab should just be fine. |
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Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:25 am |
| guapagirl wrote: |
| Guapaboy's grannie was a big fan of HP as well and would put it (neat) on anything. That includes poor GB's willy which he got caught in his zip ...He won't go near the stuff now |
That reminds me of that scene in "There's something about Mary," with Ben Stiler! |
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