How do I decide on a LED device?
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free skin care · Tue May 06, 2008 9:13 am

What about a phone call or email to LS, telling them you want to confirm the info they gave you regarding specs, for a comparison your doing on LED's.

I sent Joni a link to this thread with my last email, but I don't know if she's following it. She made it clear though, the reason they don't participate in forums.

The only thing I would suggest is to use whatever is found on the website for the chart. Other than that, they told me verbally the same thing they told you, so I see no reason not to use that. But then we're back to the math working out or not, and I can't help you altogether there!.. Rolling Eyes

free skin care · Tue May 06, 2008 9:36 am

Thanks, MP, for the feedback! wave

No problem with the delay...I figure you would get back when you could. And truth be told, I've 'bout got myself talked into the amber ProLight, anyways. I just haven't quite worked up the correct rationalization to spend that extra bit of cash, although I'm sure it will come to me! Laughing

One thing, though...IYO (In Your Opinion), you think there is any value to using the wavelengths/lights in a particular order, or can you do them on separate days...or is this something I should ask Rita about?

free skin care · Tue May 06, 2008 12:22 pm

Yubs wrote:

And truth be told, I've 'bout got myself talked into the amber ProLight, anyways. I just haven't quite worked up the correct rationalization to spend that extra bit of cash, although I'm sure it will come to me! Laughing

Yubs, are you going to get just the Amber?

free skin care · Tue May 06, 2008 1:43 pm

bethany wrote:

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Yubs, are you going to get just the Amber?

Beth, I already have Quasar SP for red and infrared so I don't need those frequencies. AFAICT all I need is amber. I'm sure that will change, though...there are probably untold beneficial light spectrums out there waiting to get my money. Someone on EDS has only to post about them and I will be the most willing lemming in the world! Laughing

free skin care · Tue May 06, 2008 1:51 pm

Well, there is green for pigmentation, and the upcoming Gentlewaves/Loreal home unit with the patented yellow wavelengths! Very Happy

free skin care · Tue May 06, 2008 2:15 pm

Yubs wrote:

Thanks, MP, for the feedback! wave

No problem with the delay...I figure you would get back when you could. And truth be told, I've 'bout got myself talked into the amber ProLight, anyways. I just haven't quite worked up the correct rationalization to spend that extra bit of cash, although I'm sure it will come to me! Laughing

One thing, though...IYO (In Your Opinion), you think there is any value to using the wavelengths/lights in a particular order, or can you do them on separate days...or is this something I should ask Rita about?

Yubs - my understanding that since the lights can be used concurrently during the same session, order does not matter if you decide to use them separately. ProLight does not need to be used every day, and I believe that the same is true about Quasars, so you can alternate the lights on different days, of cause Rita might provide more insight into the usage sequence.

free skin care · Tue May 06, 2008 2:27 pm

bethany wrote:

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Well, there is green for pigmentation, and the upcoming Gentlewaves/Loreal home unit with the patented yellow wavelengths!

Like I said to MACrisis when she oh-so-helpfully posted about the discounted demo ProLights...uh, thanks. I think! Wink

But I don't have blemishes so I don't need blue, no pigmentation problems so I don't need green, but "patented yellow wavelengths"... hmmmmmm. I can feel my finger and thumb (used to pull CC from wallet) starting to itch already!!! Laughing

Seiously, do you know what yellow is supposed to be for?

free skin care · Tue May 06, 2008 2:41 pm

Yubs wrote:

bethany wrote:

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Well, there is green for pigmentation, and the upcoming Gentlewaves/Loreal home unit with the patented yellow wavelengths!

Like I said to MACrisis when she oh-so-helpfully posted about the discounted demo ProLights...uh, thanks. I think! Wink

But I don't have blemishes so I don't need blue, no pigmentation problems so I don't need green, but "patented yellow wavelengths"... hmmmmmm. I can feel my finger and thumb (used to pull CC from wallet) starting to itch already!!! Laughing

Seiously, do you know what yellow is supposed to be for?

Are you really thankful or sarcastic Laughing

Amber is for wrinkles but I see some faded pigmentation using Prolight Platinum which did not happen when I use my other LED machines.

free skin care · Tue May 06, 2008 2:45 pm

MAC wrote:

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Are you really thankful or sarcastic Laughing

Both.

free skin care · Tue May 06, 2008 4:00 pm

An interesting article for anyone looking for an acne light...doesn't LS make one with BOTH blue and red lights?

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Publication: Dermatology Times
Publication Date: 01-NOV-07
Delivery: Immediate Online Access
Author: Melville, Nancy A.

Article Excerpt
[ILLUSTRATION OMITTED]

In the treatment of ache, blue light has been shown to offer efficacy as a sound treatment regimen, but in two recent studies evaluating the outcome when red light is added to the mix, researchers found increased efficacy over blue light alone for patients with mild-to-severe acne and for those with Fitzpatrick skin phototype IV.

In the first study, researchers from the Mount Sinai School of Medicine, New York, treated 24 subjects with mild-to-severe symmetric facial acne vulgaris with eight sessions of treatments. The treatments, conducted twice per week, three days apart, alternated between 415 nm blue light (20 minutes/session, 48 J/[cm.sup.2]) and 633 nm red light (20 minutes/session, 96 J/[cm.sup.2]) from a light-emitting diode (LED)-based therapy system. (J Cosm Laser Ther. 2006; 8:7-75). http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-7307625/Blue-red-led-combo-more.html

free skin care · Tue May 06, 2008 4:03 pm

Yubs wrote:

bethany wrote:

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Well, there is green for pigmentation, and the upcoming Gentlewaves/Loreal home unit with the patented yellow wavelengths!

But I don't have blemishes so I don't need blue, no pigmentation problems so I don't need green, but "patented yellow wavelengths"... hmmmmmm. I can feel my finger and thumb (used to pull CC from wallet) starting to itch already!!! Laughing

Seiously, do you know what yellow is supposed to be for?

The "patented" yellow wavelengths are supposed to be the bets for collagen stimulation and wrinkle reduction....so says the Gentlewaves people.

Check out page 1 of this thread...I put a ton of Gentlewaves info on there that is very interesting. I have no doubt that I will be buying the home unit when it comes out! (but I only have one LED thus far, lol)

free skin care · Tue May 06, 2008 5:16 pm

Maybe I'm being a nuisance throwing in another LED device into the equation. But what about including the Marvel Mini into your charts. There is a red, blue and green device and are competitively priced at around $225 - they seem to be doing quite allot of advertising.

As for the Lightstim facts and figures - maybe we should all bombard them with emails asking for same. I absolutely love my AALS but I do think that it is not to their benefit that they are not forthcoming with specifications.

free skin care · Tue May 06, 2008 7:41 pm

[quote="Keliu"]Maybe I'm being a nuisance throwing in another LED device into the equation. But what about including the Marvel Mini into your charts. There is a red, blue and green device and are competitively priced at around $225 - they seem to be doing quite allot of advertising.
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The Marvel Mini's only offer Red, Blue, and Green...no Infrared nor Amber. They are also considered to be "lightly powered."

free skin care · Wed May 07, 2008 12:06 pm

bethany wrote:

Keliu wrote:

Maybe I'm being a nuisance throwing in another LED device into the equation. But what about including the Marvel Mini into your charts. There is a red, blue and green device and are competitively priced at around $225 - they seem to be doing quite allot of advertising.

The Marvel Mini's only offer Red, Blue, and Green...no Infrared nor Amber. They are also considered to be "lightly powered."

I finally found the website for the Marvel-Mini's, and the interesting thing is that they offer a professional version with the same patented yellow wavelength as Gentlewaves. Be sure to check the picture at the link...this thing is huge!

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The Marvel 6 facial rejuvenation system is a complete esthetic system that treats different skin conditions with lumi care (4 LED lights) and lumi therapy (HF current therapy and micro-current therapy). Together, the 6 procedures make the skin firm and smooth, offering an age defying facial.

Marvel 6 facial rejuvenation system has chosen four specific wavelengths, each well absorbed by skin tissue, which have been proven to provide extraordinary therapeutic and repairing effects. When applied with the necessary power intensity and duration, each color has a unique and direct impact on the cells responsible for skin problems. By using a combination of pure spectrum colors to optimize results during the treatments, the most efficient and powerful skin rejuvenation device available today.

http://www.marvel-mini.com/product_3.html

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Marvel 6 is an entirely new state of the art esthetic system. This is a unique skin rejuvenation device which focuses on two core technologies and their complementary functions.

The two core technologies involve:
Lumi Care: Red light at 640nm,

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Yellow light at 590nm

, Blue light at 470 nm, Green light at 525nm.
Lumi Therapy: HF current therapy and Micro-current Therapy.
Lumi Care is a process that involves the use of four different lights that have been specifically designed to increase collagen levels, treat redness, reduce pigmentation, and improve acne.

Lumi Therapy aids in reducing the signs of aging and leaves the skin looking rejuvenated and feeling fresh.

These two core technologies make up what is know as one of the most advanced esthetic systems available today. Together, they make the skin firm and smooth, offering an age defying facial. Skin is re-hydrated, circulation is improved, and a revitalized appearance is achieved after the first application.

This complete esthetic system is known as "The Marvel Series".

http://www.marvel-mini.com/product_3_tech.html

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Red light at 640 nm:
Increases collagen production fivefold in the skin, triggering repair mechanisms and stimulating fibroblast cells and cell growth.

Yellow light at 590 nm:
Treats redness and is also used for its soothing, draining and detoxifying properties. It also improves the lymph and blood circulatory system.

Blue light at 470nm:
Improves acne prone skin with its purifying and antibacterial properties. It effectively reduces the amount of fluid in the face and treats sensitive skin to provide a clear complexion.

Green light at 525 nm:
Reduces pigmentation through penetration into base skin layers. Prevents the forming of fleck, gravid and aging pigments to keep skin smooth and bright.

HF current therapy:
Two specially designed lifting electrodes, each with 40 powerful extreme super-luminous leds, pulsate light at a wavelength of 640 nanometers and use high power density to stimulate light absorbing photoreceptors which induce a cellular response. Pulsed red light triggers a wave of energy that stimulates the fibroblasts cells' functions and repair mechanisms, increases facial skin tissue oxygen pressure. It effectively increases the skin's metabolism, taking away toxins and reducing inflammation, producing smooth and healthy skin.

Micro-current therapy:
Marvel facial rejuvenation system uses micro-current electricity (measuring only millionths of an amp) for the facial process. This stimulation process, which is also known as sub-sensory, will ensure that during the process when the current is applied to the skin, the customer will feel barely a thing. Micro-current therapy will stimulate the lymphatic system and reduce the amount of fluid in the face when the muscles are gently exercised. This will effectively reduce eye-bags and improve complexion. Micro-current therapy will also increase collagen production, which will tighten and firm the muscles, reduce sagging, and restore an even facial tone.

http://www.marvel-mini.com/product_3_elements.html

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Lumi care - 4 LED lights "Blue, Green, Yellow and Red" along with Serum (takes about 25 minutes)
Depending on the client's skin care needs, the beautician will choose which LED light to be used as part of the major treatment. Since the lumi care treatment combines the interaction of four different lights, the remaining three lights will be also used. However, their application time will be shorter.

The beautician will also choose one of four serums depending on the client's skin problem. Only one kind of serum will be used during the treatment.
Acne treatment: acne skin relief serum used with the blue light
Blemish treatment: blemish free serum used with the green light
Skin redness treatment: skin calming serum used with the yellow light
Wrinkle treatment: skin firming serum used with the red light

http://www.marvel-mini.com/product_3_treatment.html

free skin care · Wed May 07, 2008 8:49 pm

Usage instruction for the Marvel Mini's...You have to use them TWICE per day. Yikes!

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Marvel mini is a series of three kinds of hand held devices that employ LED technology, a non-invasive, low-level, non- thermal light energy that activates skin cells. Each device uses different light wavelength to treat one particular skin problem. Marvel mini has been designed for the individual who wants to do their own maintenance treatments and touch ups at home and while on travel. Treatments have to be done every day to achieve the best results.

The whole treatment lasts for 30 days. The light is applied two times a day ( in the morning and evening) for 20 minutes each time.

Directions for use:

1. Cleanse the face.

2. Apply the essence.

3. Irradiate with constant light for 3 minutes.

4. Irradiate with pulsating light for 2 minutes.

5. Repeat step 3 and 4 four times so that the whole treatment lasts 20 minutes.

6. Apply the lotion if the essence is totally absorbed. In case the essence hasn’t been absorbed, wash off your face first and then apply

http://www.sulekhab2b.com/ViewOffer/Product/12850/marvel-mini.htm

free skin care · Wed May 07, 2008 8:57 pm

And a very good review (and before and after pics) on the Marvel Mini Red unit by Miss K, who owns the Aromaleigh MMU line.

The link below is for the final review...it contains additional links to her other postings and pics.

http://aromaleigh.wordpress.com/2008/02/09/here-it-is-my-final-marvel-mini-review-and-photos/

Editing to add: Be sure to read the comments below her review.

free skin care · Wed May 07, 2008 9:15 pm

And here are some MORE devices at $299 made by Sunetics...they have interchangeable heads that all fit into a $100 handle. They also have a laser hairbrush. This company has an extensive Advisory Board with a ton of doctors on it.

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There are four (4) separate LED-based interchangeable skincare treatment heads currently available. Although treatment results will vary depending on various considerations, you can expect an improvement in the texture and quality of the skin. These are as follows:

Acne - 405nm (ultra violet/blue)LED Blue light is used in the cosmetic treatment of acne to help reduce the appearance of acne related bactrium. Visible Blue light is delivered through the skin’s surface (1mm) triggering the body’s natural bacteria fighting defenses. These defenses kill the problem causing bacteria, significantly reducing the appearance of acne. Use LED Blue light to activate your body’s natural acne fighting defenses.

Skin Pigmentation - 532nm (Green)
LED Green light is used in the cosmetic treatment of skin pigmentation as well as providing an overall hydrating effect. Also improves the appearance of skin tone and texture. The low level power of green light to treat pigment is a result of the broad absorption spectrum of melanin, solar lentigines and ephelides. Subjects in various industry trials have reported an overall lifting and hydrating effect, an improvement in skin tone and texture, an evening out of pigmentation, a smoothing of fine lines and wrinkles (additionally aids in the reduction of the appearance of scars). Use LED Green light to reduce the appearance of skin pigmentations.

Wrinkles/Burns - 593nm (yellow)LED Yellow light is used in the the cosmetic treatment of burns (such as sunburns) to reduce the appearance of redness, swelling as well as other inflammation conditions such as rosacea and eczema. Yellow light therapy also provides general cosmetic facial rejuvenation by assisting with the reduction of the appearance of wrinkles and fine lines. LED photo modulation at this frequency has been used alone for skin rejuvenation in several studies. Use LED Yellow light to assist in the reduction of the appearance of wrinkles and fine lines.

Wounds/Cuts/Pain Relief - 635 (orange/red)
LED Orangish Red light is used in the cosmetic treatment of any condition which can benefit from improved circulation such as wounds, cuts, bruises and general cosmetic skin conditions. It is also used cosmetically to assist in Pain Management. Clinical studies were initially confirmed by NASA and have become the basis for a number of treatment protocols for wounds, pain management and circulation improvement.

http://www.suneticsskinlasers.com/laserskintherapy.html

Usage instructions:

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Cosmetic Skin Therapy: Interchangeable Skincare LED Modules

The Sunetics Laser Hair Brush features a
removable head which facilitates the use of
multiple interchangeable devices for
cosmetic treatment of skin conditions.

Treatment Application:
10 minutes a day, every other day

Standard use for EACH of the four (4) cosmetic skincare light therapy attachments is for 10 minutes, every other day directly over the area to be treated.

http://www.suneticsskinlasers.com/images/21120_Sunetics_broch_skin_final.pdf

free skin care · Wed May 14, 2008 9:08 pm

I just came across an interesting article this evening...it was written by someone who sells LEDs for heel spur pain Confused

but he/she seems to have done a lot of research, and there is a WEALTH of technical info in there for those that like that stuff.

http://heelspurs.com/led.html#summary

He also has a section on skin (see right column on above link to skip there) and anti-aging (as opposed to healing heel spur pain)...he doesn't seem to think LED will make a huge difference there, but he obviously doesn't know how desperate women are to look younger, not has he seen Kassy's results!

Right below the skin section there is a ton of referenced studies, articles, etc.

free skin care · Thu May 15, 2008 12:54 am

Excellent link Beth, thank you. I'm finally calling it a night at 4ish, and will read some more tomorrow.

Looking for a big ole yawn emoticon... Rolling Eyes

free skin care · Thu May 15, 2008 1:04 am

Kassy_A wrote:

Excellent link Beth, thank you. I'm finally calling it a night at 4ish, and will read some more tomorrow.

Looking for a big ole yawn emoticon... Rolling Eyes

I only WISH I was tired enough for a yawn emoticon...I am on night 5 of an insommia bout. Sad

Sleep well!

free skin care · Thu May 15, 2008 3:52 pm

Is the Prolight Platinum about the same as the Anti-aging Lightstim in terms of strength and quality?

free skin care · Thu May 15, 2008 7:43 pm

ruk1 wrote:

Is the Prolight Platinum about the same as the Anti-aging Lightstim in terms of strength and quality?

Ruk, that is a difficult question to answer because LS doesn't publish their specs.

But if you read through this thread you will see where there has been some speculation on the strength.

free skin care · Thu May 15, 2008 7:55 pm

ruk1 wrote:

Is the Prolight Platinum about the same as the Anti-aging Lightstim in terms of strength and quality?

As Bethany suggested it is a good idea to read the thread for more information. AALS does not provide all the technical specifications, at the same tome there is an inderect way to understand how powerful is the device based on treatment time.

mpstat wrote:

ProLight Professional devices have short treatment time of 30 sec. The treatment time tells how powerful the device is (although not precisely), and ProLight requires less treatment time then AALS. ProLight Red/Amber are professional devices, and ProLight Platinum more consumer oriented. ProLight Platinum has 60 seconds treatment time compared to AALS 2-3 minutes. In addition AALS recommended to be used daily, while ProLight does not require daily treatments.

For the quality aspect both devices produced in USA not in China.

free skin care · Fri May 16, 2008 7:27 am

mpstat wrote:

ruk1 wrote:

Is the Prolight Platinum about the same as the Anti-aging Lightstim in terms of strength and quality?

As Bethany suggested it is a good idea to read the thread for more information. AALS does not provide all the technical specifications, at the same tome there is an inderect way to understand how powerful is the device based on treatment time.

mpstat wrote:

ProLight Professional devices have short treatment time of 30 sec. The treatment time tells how powerful the device is (although not precisely), and ProLight requires less treatment time then AALS. ProLight Red/Amber are professional devices, and ProLight Platinum more consumer oriented. ProLight Platinum has 60 seconds treatment time compared to AALS 2-3 minutes. In addition AALS recommended to be used daily, while ProLight does not require daily treatments.

For the quality aspect both devices produced in USA not in China.

I had not realized that the AALS was to be used DAILY, but one of the new purchasers confirmed that this was documented in the usage instructions (as well as the 2-3 minutes per treatment spot).

For comparison purposes, PL is recommended no more frequently than every other day to allow skin time to rejuvenate between treatments.

free skin care · Sat May 17, 2008 1:10 pm

mpstat wrote:

The treatment time tells how powerful the device is (although not precisely), and ProLight requires less treatment time then AALS. ProLight Red/Amber are professional devices, and ProLight Platinum more consumer oriented. ProLight Platinum has 60 seconds treatment time compared to AALS 2-3 minutes. In addition AALS recommended to be used daily, while ProLight does not require daily treatments.[/quote]
For the quality aspect both devices produced in USA not in China.

Not quite the whole story for LS, other treatment options are available; And for the record, in 7 months of use I never used it more than 4 or 5 times a week, and that was in the first couple of months.

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?tid=29297

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