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Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:48 pm  |
Since I've been using Zenbiotic products for so long, I'm a bit embarrassed that I missed the interesting section on their site about their formulation process. (Well, either I missed it, or I read it and then promptly forgot. You all know me, mind like a sieve and all...) Anyways, I thought it was really interesting! Here's part of it:
The Formulation Process
The care in developing the formulations is, as far as we know, unprecedented. First, organic and wild-crafted ingredients are selected solely upon their combined beneficial properties and resulting affects to skin. They are then grown and harvested in house so they can be constantly monitored at the atomic level until they reach the highest vitality and vibration level possible. A minimum 9 months and up to a 12 year cold-extraction process ensures the highest potency of enzymes.
At this point, the ingredients are meticulously blended at the atomic level in a state of the art laboratory to maintain the highest vibrational frequency possible even before the technology is applied. The technology then ensures that all extracts are maintained in a pro-biotic, live environment to yield unparalleled nutrient efficiency and compatibility.
Here's the link to the page:
http://www.zenbiotic.com/skinadvantage.htm
I totally love knowing that their ingredients are grown in-house--- I really think it takes the whole organic skincare approach to a whole new level. I know that Jurlique grows their own stuff too-- does anyone know of any other lines that do it? |
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27, sensitive/reactive/acne prone skin, dark brown hair, blue eyes, possibly the palest woman alive... |
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Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:25 pm |
I didn't know how many of the EDS members love this line, reading this would have convinced me the makers are crazy.
I mean...atomic level? Atomic? Not just cellular but atomic.  I didn't know a cosmeceutical company could afford that level of monitoring.
Plus the vibrational thing is just puzzling me. What is this vibration thing? Nothing to do with String Theory right?
Glad at least everything is grown in house  , that is definitely something worth boosting about. |
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Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:43 pm |
You never know, maybe they did postulate that fundamental ingredients of nature are not zero-dimensional point particles but tiny one-dimensional filaments called strings, thereby harmoniously uniting quantum mechanics and general relativity, as of course there were countless problems behind the theory of point-like particles in the physical world.
I gotta go with skepticism on this one.
I mentioned to my husband "the ingredients are meticulously blended at the atomic level in a state of the art laboratory to maintain the highest vibrational frequency possible even before the technology is applied" and he said that's just a fancy way of saying "making cosmetic mixtures." He's an astrophysicist.
In regards to vibrational frequency, he says they are referring to simply, again, making molecules...in order to vibrate them you have to excite them (i.e. heating them excites them by increasing the speed of particles) or adding radiation. In the end, it all returns to "ground state" after fractions of a second (the time is dependent on the excitation time of the molecule, which of course varies according to the molecule). They release the energy (he called it an infrared photon or something) and return to ground state.
Ultimately...they aren't creating any exotic compounds or anything...nor are they truly doing anything super scientific or state-of-the-art. I'd focus more on the organic ingredients...rather than the fancy way they in fact say "we mix it up really well."
Honestly if you start changing things on the ATOMIC level, you start changing chemical compounds...think periodic table of elements...it's nothing new. 
But I still think Zenbiotics is a cool line of products that will definitely get a try from me! |
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32, Fair Skin, combo/break-out prone. Simple routine of REN No. 1 Purity Cleansing Balm and Argan oil as a moisturizer; Clarisonic when needed. That's it! |
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Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:14 pm |
Well said ParisTroika! Also your husband has the coolest job! (very cool too that is he willing to interpret the blurb for us  ) |
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Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:05 am |
| Wow, thanks Paris! This is why I love this board!^-^ For me though, I'm less interested in the technology or hocus pocus, and more interested in the actual ingredients, so I think they'd be better off talking more about the latter than the former. "Organic" has become such a hot word to throw around these days, and a lot of skincare lines that claim to be natural still contain a lot of nasties, so when I see a company going to the trouble of growing their own organic ingredients and trying for chemical-free formulations, it definitely wins points for me. |
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Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:00 am |
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| Ultimately...they aren't creating any exotic compounds or anything...nor are they truly doing anything super scientific or state-of-the-art. I'd focus more on the organic ingredients...rather than the fancy way they in fact say "we mix it up really well." |
LOL!!!
Paris, your logic and humour is brilliant. You are my new hero! |
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Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:29 am |
The Zenbiotic philosophy and "science" has been mentioned on the forum before and I have been one of their biggest critics all along. For those of you who may have missed it check out Robert's answers to miranet's questions on page one of the following thread. http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=16821
Interesting indeed!! |
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Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:06 pm |
The description of string theory was just my paraphrase...haha.
In all honesty...if a skincare line does utilize all this "high tech" stuff...the cost of using such technology would ultimately be reflected in the product...
When manufacturers start talking about "energy" contained in something...or energy transfers, it just ends up sounding silly when they want to sound intelligent.
Come on, I mean...Harvard can't reproduce the technology behind a cleanser? I seriously think if they or any other company were doing something so exotic and so cutting-edge, it would make the national news, get a nobel prize, create world peace, solve the problem in Israel/Palestine, etc.
What makes me upset is not the claims companies make (that's been happening for decades), but the fact they choose their language and wording very carefully, to sound more "scientific" and "ground-breaking" thinking the consumer will fall for it.
Similar to Fresh's Creme Ancienne or whatever they throw in a jar and charge 250 bucks for it. Made by monks in a monastery? Does that automatically make it work better than something that is a fraction of the cost? It's the "exotic" that makes people buy it...in this case it throwing out the word "nanotechnology" and "at the atomic level," "vibrational frequency" etc. Just typical terms in physics used to explain rather mundane processes.
If you bake a cake, you are changing the molecular structure of the ingredients, chemcial reactions...and baking it (heating it) excited the molecules (hello vibrational frequency!!!).
Viola...you too can have my Betty Crocker cake made with cutting edge technology through energy transers and vibrational frequency, all happening at the molecular level!!! |
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32, Fair Skin, combo/break-out prone. Simple routine of REN No. 1 Purity Cleansing Balm and Argan oil as a moisturizer; Clarisonic when needed. That's it! |
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Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:07 pm |
The description of string theory was just my paraphrase...haha.
In all honesty...if a skincare line does utilize all this "high tech" stuff...the cost of using such technology would ultimately be reflected in the product...
When manufacturers start talking about "energy" contained in something...or energy transfers, it just ends up sounding silly when they want to sound intelligent.
Come on, I mean...Harvard can't reproduce the technology behind a cleanser? I seriously think if they or any other company were doing something so exotic and so cutting-edge, it would make the national news, get a nobel prize, create world peace, solve the problem in Israel/Palestine, etc.
What makes me upset is not the claims companies make (that's been happening for decades), but the fact they choose their language and wording very carefully, to sound more "scientific" and "ground-breaking" thinking the consumer will fall for it.
Similar to Fresh's Creme Ancienne or whatever they throw in a jar and charge 250 bucks for it. Made by monks in a monastery? Does that automatically make it work better than something that is a fraction of the cost? It's the "exotic" that makes people buy it...in this case it throwing out the word "nanotechnology" and "at the atomic level," "vibrational frequency" etc. Just typical terms in physics used to explain rather mundane processes.
If you bake a cake, you are changing the molecular structure of the ingredients, chemcial reactions...and baking it (heating it) excited the molecules (hello vibrational frequency!!!).
Viola...you too can have my Betty Crocker cake made with cutting edge technology through energy transers and vibrational frequency, all happening at the molecular level!!! |
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32, Fair Skin, combo/break-out prone. Simple routine of REN No. 1 Purity Cleansing Balm and Argan oil as a moisturizer; Clarisonic when needed. That's it! |
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