Pigmentation and wrinkles! Should I try Osmosis
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:51 am

If you are fair skinned, some of the higher strength retinaldehyde serums can look a little orange. The color goes away after 20 minutes most of the time as it penetrates. Some use the high strength serums at night for this reason. The dryness occurs in about 25% of people, usually for the first 4 weeks, as their skin acclimates to the stimulation.
We just had another report of a skin cancer disappearing from Catalyst...let's hope that continues Smile

free skin care · Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:15 am

Ben Johnson, MD wrote:

We just had another report of a skin cancer disappearing from Catalyst...let's hope that continues Smile

Has this been confirmed by a Dermatologist or Licensed Medical Doctor? Have you reported this to the FDA? I believe that curing skin cancer would be of interest to them.

Apparently you are claiming your products are effective for curing diseases; doesn't that classify it as a drug (rather than a cosmetic) and therefore subject to FDA regulations, including clinical trials and drug protocols?

free skin care · Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:42 am

Lacy53 wrote:

Ben Johnson, MD wrote:

We just had another report of a skin cancer disappearing from Catalyst...let's hope that continues Smile

Has this been confirmed by a Dermatologist or Licensed Medical Doctor? Have you reported this to the FDA? I believe that curing skin cancer would be of interest to them.

I would like to know if this has been reported to the FDA, as well. This is a definite drug claim where you seem to be reporting a "cure" for skin cancer. As far as I know, only drugs can make that claim.

free skin care · Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:55 am

I agree with you both Lacy and Riley, any "cure" is definitely a drug claim and should be reported and confirmed by the FDA and regulated as such.

Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:23 am

I want to be clear, these are just anecdotal reports. We are not claiming a "cure". While I am licensed in California, I am not a dermatologist nor am I her physician of record. I did not personally photograph the results or witness the process unfold. However, I thought, since this thread is interested in hearing more feedback on Catalyst, that this would be of interest to you all.
We are just talking about collateral benefits of a topical serum that uses "zinc finger" technology. The FDA is more concerned about products that cause harm...in an effort to keep us safe. Great results like these are more appropriately reported to the consumer, not the FDA...in my opinion....but again, no one is talking about a "cure" here.
One last note, we are not hearing from our users that it colors their skin orange when used alone. It is a clear-golden brown color.

free skin care · Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:44 am

Ben Johnson, MD wrote:

I want to be clear, these are just anecdotal reports. We are not claiming a "cure". While I am licensed in California, I am not a dermatologist nor am I her physician of record. I did not personally photograph the results or witness the process unfold. However, I thought, since this thread is interested in hearing more feedback on Catalyst, that this would be of interest to you all.
We are just talking about collateral benefits of a topical serum that uses "zinc finger" technology. The FDA is more concerned about products that cause harm...in an effort to keep us safe. Great results like these are more appropriately reported to the consumer, not the FDA...in my opinion....but again, no one is talking about a "cure" here.

You said this:

Ben Johnson, MD wrote:

We just had another report of a skin cancer disappearing from Catalyst...let's hope that continues Smile

What is the difference between skin cancer "disappearing", and skin cancer being "cured"? As a Licensed Medical Doctor in California (I thought you resided in Colorado?), can you explain it to us in simplified English?

I usually use information from the FDA website to define a drug; it states:

How does the law define a drug?

Quote:

The FD&C Act defines drugs, in part, by their intended use, as "articles intended for use in the diagnosis, cure, mitigation, treatment, or prevention of disease" and "articles (other than food) intended to affect the structure or any function of the body of man or other animals" [FD&C Act, sec. 201(g)(1)].

It further makes this distinction for the consumer:

How is a product's intended use established?

Quote:

Intended use may be established in a number of ways. Among them are:

Claims stated on the product labeling, in advertising, on the Internet, or in other promotional materials. Certain claims may cause a product to be considered a drug, even if the product is marketed as if it were a cosmetic. Such claims establish the product as a drug because the intended use is to treat or prevent disease or otherwise affect the structure or functions of the human body. Some examples are claims that products will restore hair growth, reduce cellulite, treat varicose veins, or revitalize cells.

Consumer perception, which may be established through the product's reputation. This means asking why the consumer is buying it and what the consumer expects it to do.

Ingredients that may cause a product to be considered a drug because they have a well known (to the public and industry) therapeutic use. An example is fluoride in toothpaste.

What makes you think that it is the "zinc finger" technology that is causing these cases of skin cancer to "disappear" in anecdotal reports?

free skin care · Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:20 am

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One last note, we are not hearing from our users that it colors their skin orange when used alone. It is a clear-golden brown color.

What am I, chopped liver??!! Bad Grin

Thanks for the info on the dry skin. I'll keep using it and hope the dryness and orangeness (or golden-brownness) will come to an end.

Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:07 am

Yes, as your skin adjusts to the products, it will not be as dry. Renew remodels the skin and may cause light exfoliation. That is not a bad thing. It helps rid you of the dead skin cells. Your skin will start looking wonderful in hopefully a week or so. Everyone is different. If it is still dry, you may want to add Quench or the Shelter.

free skin care · Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:12 am

jmilanent wrote:

Yes, as your skin adjusts to the products, it will not be as dry. Renew remodels the skin and may cause light exfoliation. That is not a bad thing. It helps rid you of the dead skin cells. Your skin will start looking wonderful in hopefully a week or so. Everyone is different. If it is still dry, you may want to add Quench or the Shelter.

jmilanent,

Would you mind telling us what if any connection you have with the company Osmosis? Thanks. Smile

free skin care · Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:21 am

Ben Johnson, MD wrote:

I want to be clear, these are just anecdotal reports. We are not claiming a "cure".

And from your earlier posts on this thread:

Quote:

There is a case report of a basal cell carcinoma disappearing within several weeks of topical use of Catalyst.

There are several case reports of actinic keratosis disappearing as well. Skin tags are also falling off which I believe is explained by the ability of Catalyst to heal DNA damaged by viruses.

If you have sensitive skin then you use less and we are not sure if fewer than 5 drops can achieve significant change in the skin. In other words, it may be possible that you need to reach a certain level in the cell to achieve proper DNA repair.

Disappearing, healing and DNA repairing. Are these proper case reports, or just anecdotal reports? You also reminded the forum that:

"The danger is always determining the accuracy of information."

free skin care · Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:44 am

jmilanent wrote:

Hi,

Many of you know me, so I wanted to share my view of Catalyst. As an esthetician,and being online I see and hear of many skin issues.

Bumping for you, DM.

free skin care · Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:59 am

rileygirl wrote:

jmilanent wrote:

Hi,

Many of you know me, so I wanted to share my view of Catalyst. As an esthetician,and being online I see and hear of many skin issues.

Bumping for you, DM.

Thanks Riley, You know I prefer full disclosure! Smile

Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:14 pm

DarkMoon wrote:

jmilanent wrote:

Yes, as your skin adjusts to the products, it will not be as dry. Renew remodels the skin and may cause light exfoliation. That is not a bad thing. It helps rid you of the dead skin cells. Your skin will start looking wonderful in hopefully a week or so. Everyone is different. If it is still dry, you may want to add Quench or the Shelter.

jmilanent,

Would you mind telling us what if any connection you have with the company Osmosis? Thanks. Smile

Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:23 pm

Osmosis is one of many lines I sell and I know how the products work. I am an esthetician and use Osmosis in my practice. I answered a few questions and gave my testimonial on Catalyst since I have so much positive feedback on it. I love to support people having wonderful skin so they can feel good about themselves.

free skin care · Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:33 pm

jmilanent wrote:

Osmosis is one of many lines I sell and I know how the products work. I am an esthetician and use Osmosis in my practice. I answered a few questions and gave my testimonial on Catalyst since I have so much positive feedback on it. I love to support people having wonderful skin so they can feel good about themselves.

Thank you JM, I was interested, no offense intended at all! Smile

free skin care · Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:25 am

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Hi Skippie. Yes, I'm applying the Catalyst by itself directly to skin after WB. I don't think I had a crisis phase with Catalyst but not sure...I started using it one week after starting Wonderbar. What I experienced after adding Catalyst was increased dryness/tightness. Under my eyes have been really crepey...not sure which product (or the combo of both) is causing it though.

That's great to hear you've noticed faded lip lines! Have you been using the Vaculifter for a while and thus Catalyst is the new variable here? How are you using it (alone? mixed?)? I've not noticed any "major" transformations yet but hoping to see slow and steady improvements in melasma, fading of some scars as well as overall skin health.

I'm considering ordering one of the Osmosis Serums to mix it with but don't want to introduce to many new things in short period of time. In the mornings I put Glymed Stem Cell Serum over it then my sunscreen over that. I use the serum because I already had it before Catalyst and hate to ignore it and it gives me a little added moisture. Occasionally at night I will use Glymed Peptide cream for extra moisture but can't use all the time as it seems to congest my skin.

HTH

Responding to shelly here:

Thanks shelly, for your reply. I had the dryness from Catalyst too, but thankfully it has gone away. I'm feeling some tightness by my eyes and mouth. I've been using the Vaculifter for a couple of weeks longer than the Catalyst. I hadn't really noticed any changes until I added the Catalyst which is why I thought it might be helping the lip lines. However, Kassy did recommend the Vaculifter for lips and neck lines which is why I bought it in the first place. I'm using the catalyst mixed with Osmosis Renew serum on alternate nights with catalyst mixed with CPs. I've given up Retin-A and my skin doesn't miss it at all.

free skin care · Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:30 pm

Anybody have any updates for us? Very Happy

free skin care · Wed Apr 14, 2010 12:41 pm

I copied this from JoElla Milans newsletter from a little bit ago. I thought maybe the users of Catalyst would be interested in this.

"On Catalyst, some of you have asked me about the color. It starts out light, but turns darker over time. This is the vitamin C oxidizing. This is not a problem and natural for vitamin C. My personal bottle is almost black looking, yet works fine. It does not loose its strength."

free skin care · Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:12 am

I've been using Catalyst morning and night for a month now. In the evening, I mix it with CPs (a mixture of regular and skin signals). I like it well enough that even though I've only used a third of the bottle, I took advantage of a special price I found on a website yesterday and wanted to pass it on to anyone interested in trying Catalyst but not wanting to pay the $120 price tag. The special price is $80 - and I checked to make sure it is a full-size bottle - and the website is: http://estheticiancarebyjulie.com/osmosis_3.html

I've already heard back yesterday evening right after I placed the order that my bottle is being shipped today.

free skin care · Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:14 am

Skippie, what is the Catalyst doing for your skin that you like it that much? (Thanks for sharing that price, BTW!)

free skin care · Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:23 am

Actually, Riley, I think the wonderbar has a lot to do with it, but when I looked at my neck last night and this morning, I do believe the lines are beginning to fade. I need to take pictures to see if what I think I'm seeing is true. Once I got past the dryness caused by the wonderbar, my lip lines are better too (where they were after I started catalyst but before I started the WB). The catalyst seems to do a good job of sun protection too. I'm using pearl cream and foundation on top of it, but no other sunscreen and I haven't had any problems at all.

free skin care · Tue Apr 20, 2010 5:54 am

Thanks, Skippie.

free skin care · Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:10 am

Thanks for the info Skippie.

Are you noticing any difference in skin coloration or evenness? Do you have pigmentation issues? Thanks again!

free skin care · Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:03 am

fadedgirl wrote:

Thanks for the info Skippie.

Are you noticing any difference in skin coloration or evenness? Do you have pigmentation issues? Thanks again!

fadedgirl,

I don't have any pigmentation issues but I do think my skin color is more even. However, I attribute that at least in part to the use of the Wonderbar. I never thought of my arms and hands as tan, but since I've been using the catalyst and wonderbar on my hands, they're lighter in color than my arms. My arms just look dirty now.

One thing that I really, really do not like about Catalyst is that it does show on my skin, maybe because I'm so fair-skinned. It makes my face look orange - or golden-brown. I'm wondering if there's a non-orange Osmosis serum I could mix it with that might keep that from happening. I don't care about it in the evening but I don't like an orange face during the day.

free skin care · Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:05 am

Skippie wrote:

I've been using Catalyst morning and night for a month now. In the evening, I mix it with CPs (a mixture of regular and skin signals). I like it well enough that even though I've only used a third of the bottle, I took advantage of a special price I found on a website yesterday and wanted to pass it on to anyone interested in trying Catalyst but not wanting to pay the $120 price tag. The special price is $80 - and I checked to make sure it is a full-size bottle - and the website is: http://estheticiancarebyjulie.com/osmosis_3.html

I've already heard back yesterday evening right after I placed the order that my bottle is being shipped today.

How is she doing that? Everywhere else they are selling it for 120 dollars or more; I called her number listed (17174687289) and when I asked about Catalyst's low price and I was looking into how Enlighten that is the only site which claims to have sepiwhite in the newly formulated Enlighten, she told me I have the wrong number and when I checked and called back, they never answered, WTH?

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