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free skin care · Mon Aug 05, 2013 6:33 pm

I think it's for active gels like Dermalasty, elastin fusion products, possibly the Neurotris gel with the stem stuff, etc.

He recommends a hot towel like you get with a pedicure or like men get when they get shaved at the barber. Says it aids in product penetration. Also leaves your face feeling nice and clean.

I bought a pack of salon towels from Sally Beauty Supply. I just dampen a couple (wet one, wring it fairly well, and then wrap it in a dry one and wring them both out together, ensures they're wet enough but not too wet), and then put them in pot on top of my vegetable steamer. I put the pot on low. By the time I'm done with my BI session the towels are nice and hot but not too hot. YMMV as to how high or low to turn up the pot, depending on how long it takes you to do a treatment.

free skin care · Mon Aug 05, 2013 6:40 pm

Yubs wrote:

I bought a pack of salon towels from Sally Beauty Supply. I just dampen a couple (wet one, wring it fairly well, and then wrap it in a dry one and wring them both out together, ensures they're wet enough but not too wet), and then put them in pot on top of my vegetable steamer. I put the pot on low. By the time I'm done with my BI session the towels are nice and hot but not too hot. YMMV as to how high or low to turn up the pot, depending on how long it takes you to do a treatment.

That seems like a lot of fuss - what's wrong with just plonking a wrung out face washer on the face?

free skin care · Mon Aug 05, 2013 6:47 pm

For the same reason salons use towel warmers and don't just wring out washclothes to use with pedicures and facials: not hot enough. I tried it. But you'll just have to take my word for it...I'm not going to get into an argument about the physics of hot towels with anyone. Razz

Anyway, your concern for my welfare and how I spend my time is rather heartwarming, but I hafta ask: why on earth do you care if I make a fuss about my hot towels? Laughing

free skin care · Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:15 pm

Warmed skin ='s increased circulation and encourages lymphatic drainage. It also makes the muscles more receptive to not only microcurrent, but it's a great practice before using most of the gadgets we talk about.

I throw a barely damp, clean towel in the microwave for 30 seconds and that works great. When I have more time on my hands, I make a towel tent over my head, and lean over a pot of boiled water for a few minutes. Works like a charm! (I'm a frugal girl... Laughing

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free skin care · Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:19 pm

Yubs wrote:

For the same reason salons use towel warmers and don't just wring out washclothes to use with pedicures and facials: not hot enough. I tried it. But you'll just have to take my word for it...I'm not going to get into an argument about the physics of hot towels with anyone. Razz

Anyway, your concern for my welfare and how I spend my time is rather heartwarming, but I hafta ask: why on earth do you care if I make a fuss about my hot towels? Laughing

Seriously, why such an aggressive response?!!!

I was just fascinated why you went to such allot of trouble. And I think the salon procedure has more to do with sterilisation than anything else. You can still wring a face cloth out with very hot water using rubber gloves and get the same effect.

free skin care · Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:42 pm

sister sweets wrote:

If you read the email blast it is clear the NeurotriS stem cell gel is not a generic conductive gel. It is a very specialized item made from 10% stem cells. I have not purchased a stem cell product previously so I don't know the going rate, but 8oz is quite a bit of product for $149 in the world of better skincare products. I've spent $60 easily on 2oz of skincare products. The key is that the product works and works even better with probes (or gloves?) for penetration.

I can just see the folks at Neurotris doing their happy dance to the bank Dancing

I guess they had to come up with a new "specialty" conductive gel, since the original was so easily unmasked... Wink

But seriously. Doesn't everybody already apply a lovely and beneficial water based product on their faces prior to applying (any) conductive gel.

For a gel to actually BE conductive it has to contain some form of sodium, so why would folks want to EVER leave that on their skin?

I dunno, if I were hell bent on getting on the stem cell media bandwagon (which I'm not), I'd just get a product like Lifeline, and after it absorbed apply a basic conductive gel, do a treatment, and call it a day.

I'm dying to see an ingredient list... Hope they remembered the sodium... Wink

free skin care · Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:52 pm

Kassy_A wrote:

I dunno, if I were hell bent on getting on the stem cell media bandwagon (which I'm not), I'd just get a product like Lifeline, and after it absorbed apply a basic conductive gel, do a treatment, and call it a day.

That would also be my preferred method.

free skin care · Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:37 pm

Yubs wrote:

I think it's for active gels like Dermalasty, elastin fusion products, possibly the Neurotris gel with the stem stuff, etc.

He recommends a hot towel like you get with a pedicure or like men get when they get shaved at the barber. Says it aids in product penetration. Also leaves your face feeling nice and clean.

I bought a pack of salon towels from Sally Beauty Supply. I just dampen a couple (wet one, wring it fairly well, and then wrap it in a dry one and wring them both out together, ensures they're wet enough but not too wet), and then put them in pot on top of my vegetable steamer. I put the pot on low. By the time I'm done with my BI session the towels are nice and hot but not too hot. YMMV as to how high or low to turn up the pot, depending on how long it takes you to do a treatment.

Thanks Yubs for the rundown. Next time I'll use the hot towels. It probably helps complete the penetration of the product and wipes off any residue.
For anyone who is interested in the use of specialty gels: The woman I spoke with at TBI said it was fine to leave on the skin and actually recommended.

free skin care · Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:12 am

Quote:

Laughing Laughing Laughing I can just see the folks at Neurotris doing their happy dance to the bank Dancing Dancing Dancing

I guess they had to come up with a new "specialty" conductive gel, since the original was so easily unmasked... Wink

Hmmm...I keep wondering WHY this product and its purported capabilites are already being bashed when apparently NO ONE except Carolb (who admitted to having treatments with the Neurotis professional machines) and has more than likely used the stem cell serum. Can't we all wait for members to actually TRY the stem cell serum first and REPORT back on it BEFORE we start BASHING it?

free skin care · Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:58 am

Aprile, my comments were how you could make this product by using the same stem cell product and a different conductive gel and save money. By the time you add in the extra 2 oz. of product you would make by mixing the two yourself. Along with the price difference of $29. You end up saving between $50 to $66, depending on how much you pay for the conductive gel you use. The TBI gels can be a little pricey but I just ordered Christine Byer's favorite gel and it was $20 for 6 oz. So it doesn't have to be expensive.

All this being said, I wouldn't personally mix the 2 if I was using a stem cell product. Microcurrent has been used to increase product penetration for awhile. Why water down a expensive product by mixing it with gel.
I would put the stem cell product on first. Then product the gel on top of it and do the treatment that way.

I don't know if the Neurotris gel is good or not. I am just giving people options and trying to save money in the process. Smile

ETA: I think it is fairly apparent but this is just what I would do. I am not suggesting anyone else needs to do this.

free skin care · Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:21 am

Keliu wrote:

Yubs wrote:

For the same reason salons use towel warmers and don't just wring out washclothes to use with pedicures and facials: not hot enough. I tried it. But you'll just have to take my word for it...I'm not going to get into an argument about the physics of hot towels with anyone. Razz

Anyway, your concern for my welfare and how I spend my time is rather heartwarming, but I hafta ask: why on earth do you care if I make a fuss about my hot towels? Laughing

Seriously, why such an aggressive response?!!!

I was just fascinated why you went to such allot of trouble. And I think the salon procedure has more to do with sterilisation than anything else. You can still wring a face cloth out with very hot water using rubber gloves and get the same effect.

Keliu, relax, GF! What's up with all the exclamation points? I was just reasonably answering answering your reasonably phrased quesion and setting boudaries for the discussion in case they were needed (i.e. no loooong discussions on the ramifications of thermodynamics and heat exchange as it may relate to various textile mediums, e.g., towels). Again, relax! All is well. Very Happy

Edited to add: AFAIK it's not just about sterilisation, it's about conveninece and evenness of temperature. Steaming a towel with below-boiling temp steam does not necessarily sanitize it. The blue lights they use for sterilisation in the steamers haven't been around *that* long, but towel steamers have been around for years.

But if you really want to appeal to authority, ask LauraLizzie. She's an esthetician, she'll sort it out. I'm okay with my fascinating little procedure regardless. Laughing

free skin care · Tue Aug 06, 2013 8:39 am

Kassy_A wrote:

Warmed skin ='s increased circulation and encourages lymphatic drainage. It also makes the muscles more receptive to not only microcurrent, but it's a great practice before using most of the gadgets we talk about.

I throw a barely damp, clean towel in the microwave for 30 seconds and that works great. When I have more time on my hands, I make a towel tent over my head, and lean over a pot of boiled water for a few minutes. Works like a charm! (I'm a frugal girl... Laughing

)

I tried microwave, too, but found it heated the towels unevenly and it was more difficult to control the heat. But as always, YMMV, and we all find the best way that works for us. I find steaming the towels to be no more trouble than any other towel heating method, especially since they heat during my session and are ready as soon as I 'm done, so it works for me. But if I forget, I'll make do with the next handiest method available. Happened.

free skin care · Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:25 am

aprile wrote:

Quote:

Laughing Laughing Laughing I can just see the folks at Neurotris doing their happy dance to the bank Dancing Dancing Dancing

I guess they had to come up with a new "specialty" conductive gel, since the original was so easily unmasked... Wink

Hmmm...I keep wondering WHY this product and its purported capabilites are already being bashed when apparently NO ONE except Carolb (who admitted to having treatments with the Neurotis professional machines) and has more than likely used the stem cell serum. Can't we all wait for members to actually TRY the stem cell serum first and REPORT back on it BEFORE we start BASHING it?

Good point Aprile. Those comments were NOT necessary.

The Pico folks should be sending info soon with the promised discount code ... I know I'll be putting an order in.
Carolb pm'd me previously and I hope she won't mind me saying... she thinks it's a great product. She met the chemist/formulator of the stem cell gel on-site. She mentioned that Patricia looks amazing and youthful and you know Patricia is using the stem cell as well as probes, etc. Patricia is in her 50's.

free skin care · Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:28 am

aprile wrote:

Hmmm...I keep wondering WHY this product and its purported capabilites are already being bashed when apparently NO ONE except Carolb (who admitted to having treatments with the Neurotis professional machines) and has more than likely used the stem cell serum. Can't we all wait for members to actually TRY the stem cell serum first and REPORT back on it BEFORE we start BASHING it?

Aprile, I don't think anyone is bashing it....we are just trying to understand it since stem cells are a touchy subject (as we learned with Dr J - ugh). That's just what we do here.

- Most stem cell products contain stem cells - it appears that this gel does not.
- Most stem cell products in this price range contain a higher proportion of stem cells, while Neurotris has only 10% of the conditioned media (that most stem cell companies throw away, though they may be missing an opportunity based on the pdf linked to above)
- Stem cell products in this price range typically contain other actives as well to complement the stem cells, while this product contains just the basic gel + the media.

If it were me, I would pick the stem cell product with the best clinical results, and layer it under a gel to increase penetration with your Pico. That way you get the absolute best bang for your buck and most likely the best results. And I think that is what everyone is ultimately looking for right?

Besides, it will take 3+ months to really see results, which is why people aren't waiting for reviews. They are just in good faith trying to understand the cost/benefit proposition before buying since you could use this with any MC tool.

In the meantime, I appreciated the input from Sis on the feel of some gels, since I really don't like goopy gels at all. Definitely not into slime.

free skin care · Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:47 am

rileygirl wrote:

bethany wrote:

Here is a link to a company selling the stem cell products:

http://www.dermatologistrx.com/brands/bio-regenerative-sciences/vital-serum-30-ml-29575.asp

Here is a link to a pdf regarding the S2RM that is listed as an ingredient in the product if anyone is interested.

http://www.aaicinfo.com/ProceediaEngineeringPaper.pdf

I just read the article. Thanks Riley.

free skin care · Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:31 pm

Stem cell topicals!!!ROFL.

You would have more chance to benefit from raw avocado,aka from somehting REAL for your face.
You need to activate your own cells.

Also i advise against long term microccurent use
aka long term microfrying of the nervous system and brain.

free skin care · Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:48 pm

panoslydios wrote:

Stem cell topicals!!!ROFL.

You would have more chance to benefit from raw avocado,aka from somehting REAL for your face.
You need to activate your own cells.

Also i advise against long term microccurent use
aka long term microfrying of the nervous system and brain.

Are you aware of the amount of medical research that is being done in the use of stem cells? Although the stem cell topicals generally utilise stem cell growth media, I believe Lifeline have good studies on its use. Do you have any studies on how avocado penetrates the skin and rejuvenates cells?

Could you provide us with some clinical research that shows that long term use of microcurrent damages the brain.

free skin care · Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:50 pm

Keliu, our friend panoslydios has been flitting all over the internet today. Please ignore. It will likely be worse than trying to argue with me. But not in the fun way. Razz

free skin care · Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:26 pm

Yubs wrote:

Keliu, our friend panoslydios has been flitting all over the internet today. Please ignore. It will likely be worse than trying to argue with me. But not in the fun way. Razz

Funny stuff.

The article Bethany posted was written by the chemist who devised the stem cell medium for bioregenerative and NeurotriS. I agree with Keliu and Yubs - It's not likely we will see validation for your 'big words' panoslydios.

free skin care · Tue Aug 06, 2013 10:41 pm

Wow! Where do I begin? I am not here to push anyone into anything but I will tell you my honest opinion. I mentioned before that I was waiting for NCN's microcurrent to come out. I should say dying for it to come out. Once in awhile I would get a 250 dollar microcurrent treatment and it was far from my house. So, when I read about the Pico here on the forum I was intriqued. Then I realized their office was close to my house. So, I went down and met Tony and Patricia and bought my Pico Toner microcurrent with the gloves. If you remember when this thread started there were some crazy posts.I was a little afraid to begin! So, I got a professional treatment before I ever started with my gloves and quizzed Patricia about all the details. I bought a package of 8 with the professional machine and did my gloves at home. I think it was session 2 that Patricia used the stem cell gel on me. I think I mentioned before when I got out of my treatment Dr McGuire who developed this Stem cell product was there in the foyer talking to Tony the owner. I am not an expert regarding stem cells by any means. But,I can tell you he is passionate and very knowledgable about his product. He used to be a Professor at one of the Cal State schools and went into stem cell research full time. From what I understand there is more than one type of stem cell in this product. Then each type of stem cells release a different pool of stem cells. I am explaining in my layman terms but I think that is one of the keys to why this is a great product. Tony the owner of Neurotris is an Engineer. Patricia is a nurse. They aren't selling hundreds of products like some companies. They focus on The Pico Toner and their professional machines and the best products to support those machines. I asked Tony if I could use the gloves without the spray. He said yes it would still work but it works better with the spray. Basically he said stay hydrated,use the spray,work on your nutrition-all the things that will increase your results. If you are going to take the time to use the machine then use the proper support for it. He told me if I use the Stem cell gel with the gloves use it with your fingers not the whole hand of the glove. That way you will not use as much gel. He could sell a lot more bottles if he didn't tell people that! The first day Patricia used the Stem cell gel on me I was shocked when I got home. I kept admiring myself in every mirror. I know that sounds obnoxious! I struggle with my jowls and neck and it was noticeably better. Was it the gel or accumulated use? I know nothing is going to really change overnight but there really is some good technology is the machine and the product. If you make the investment in the Pico Toner which is a great deal compared to my old 250 dollar salon visits for Microcurrent then why not use the product they recommend? Or, if you are a real DIYer try both and compare but I wouldn't mix them together. Today I had my 4th professional treatment. I told Tony and Patricia that I learned about the Pico from the EDS forum. He said that forum members can get a 20% discount on the probes,spray and the gel. He said use the code EDS20%. I know this forum can get "spirited" at times. If it wasn't for you all I don't know when or how I would of found out about the Pico! I thank you for that and I will keep you posted on my results!

free skin care · Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:26 pm

Keliu wrote:

panoslydios wrote:

Stem cell topicals!!!ROFL.

You would have more chance to benefit from raw avocado,aka from somehting REAL for your face.
You need to activate your own cells.

Also i advise against long term microccurent use
aka long term microfrying of the nervous system and brain.

Are you aware of the amount of medical research that is being done in the use of stem cells? Although the stem cell topicals generally utilise stem cell growth media, I believe Lifeline have good studies on its use. Do you have any studies on how avocado penetrates the skin and rejuvenates cells?

Could you provide us with some clinical research that shows that long term use of microcurrent damages the brain.

I have yet to find A SINGLE PERSON being benefited by stem cells.Ya know,things are not what they seem to be .If you want the real truth we are being scammed all these years.

You need your own stem cells activated and not stem cells from creams !!!!

The best example for how this nonsense can damage you in the long run.
Dr RIFE.He discovered the rife machine and microscope that could kill any microscopic bacteria.He turned from a genious to a drunk fool.Seems like he fried his brain together with all the beneficial bacteria in his skin that live normally there,which here nobody seems to be caring about.Cause human being is consisting of 80% bacteria cells and 20% human cells.Welcome to the bacteria world.Its their own world.Period.

Seek nature and use microcurrent at minimum.
In fact those methods are not of today they are really old in the form of violet ray.Edgar Cayce speaks about violet ray benefits at 1930.

I am not attacking anyone.I LOVE ALL OF THE PEOPLE.
Didnt know people would get defensive about stem cell creams though.

Avocado has avogen helping the skin build its extracellular matrix.Or you could just say avocado feeds the skin. Stupid researchers think they can make anything better than nature.Nah that wont happen.

free skin care · Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:26 am

Thanks for the review carolb. How exciting it must be getting the professional treatments at Neurotris. I appreciate the information.

free skin care · Wed Aug 07, 2013 1:32 am

You always say the most fabulous things!

We are not aware of any research on topical or oral use of avogen for anything.

And, FYI, in an average human body bacteria cells outnumber human cells 10 to 1, which happen to make up no more than 2% of the total body mass, but you could benefit from a more reality bound perspective by from opening an 8th grade biology book and looking up facts on human microbiome.

Also, violet ray and microcurrent - apples and pine cones.

As the common saying goes, you are entitled to own opinions, but not own facts.

free skin care · Wed Aug 07, 2013 6:01 am

jazzi wrote:

You always say the most fabulous things!

We are not aware of any research on topical or oral use of avogen for anything.

And, FYI, in an average human body bacteria cells outnumber human cells 10 to 1, which happen to make up no more than 2% of the total body mass, but you could benefit from a more reality bound perspective by from opening an 8th grade biology book and looking up facts on human microbiome.

Also, violet ray and microcurrent - apples and pine cones.

As the common saying goes, you are entitled to own opinions, but not own facts.

Fruit enzymes WILL NEVER be a target of medical research due to $$$$$$$$.Period.
Avocado works anyway and many persons are being benefited from it.

You never seem to learn!!!!You are aware how many friendly bacteria we have in our skin also,but you choose to FRY them with electricity!
How can a device that sterilizes your skin out of good bacteria can make it to this cost,is beyond any logical people explanation.

Also i see some slight aggresiveness (and that to defend an electrical device Confused

) which also indicates meat eating,vitamin c acids/poison and the like pills.Together with microfrying i understand that you cant be calm and i suggest you to seek Nature to connect again with your real purpose which is also a love purpose.

Love

free skin care · Wed Aug 07, 2013 6:27 am

panoslydios wrote:

jazzi wrote:

You always say the most fabulous things!

We are not aware of any research on topical or oral use of avogen for anything.

And, FYI, in an average human body bacteria cells outnumber human cells 10 to 1, which happen to make up no more than 2% of the total body mass, but you could benefit from a more reality bound perspective by from opening an 8th grade biology book and looking up facts on human microbiome.

Also, violet ray and microcurrent - apples and pine cones.

As the common saying goes, you are entitled to own opinions, but not own facts.

Fruit enzymes WILL NEVER be a target of medical research due to $$$$$$$$.Period.
Avocado works anyway and many persons are being benefited from it.

You never seem to learn!!!!You are aware how many friendly bacteria we have in our skin also,but you choose to FRY them with electricity!
How can a device that sterilizes your skin out of good bacteria can make it to this cost,is beyond any logical people explanation.

Also i see some slight aggresiveness (and that to defend an electrical device Confused

) which also indicates meat eating,vitamin c acids/poison and the like pills.Together with microfrying i understand that you cant be calm and i suggest you to seek Nature to connect again with your real purpose which is also a love purpose.

Love

Panos - You speak as though you adhere to a more natural approach to anti-aging and that's fine. One of our senior members, Jasminerosey was also a naturalist, if you will. She also used Ageless Secret Gold and was in search of an good microcurrent device prior to leaving on trip to India. I don't know if she ever purchased one or not. The body has an energy field that surrounds it... the body is very receptive to the right type of current... I don't see this approach as against nature, in fact, it supports nature by gently encouraging the facial muscles to return to their natural position. There are also testimonies from some who have said that microcurrent can alleviate sinus headaches... We are all entitled to our personal opinions.. Smile

Aprile

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