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Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:33 pm  |
I have never posted before, and was planning on waiting until I had time to be very thorough. But I just looked at my face in the mirror and cannot believe it is mine.
I have been using the Pico Toner since mid August and I can't be more thrilled. My cheeks look more three dimensional. My jawline is thick, whereas before I only felt bone. My eyes are lifted. The skin on my neck is thick.
I am especially thankful to Aprile, Sister Sweets and Toby for their great tips. I am doing most of Aprile's routine since my face is also thin. I am 58 years old and am looking better every day. More when I can. |
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havana8
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Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:01 am |
| Grammalow wrote: |
I have never posted before, and was planning on waiting until I had time to be very thorough. But I just looked at my face in the mirror and cannot believe it is mine.
I have been using the Pico Toner since mid August and I can't be more thrilled. My cheeks look more three dimensional. My jawline is thick, whereas before I only felt bone. My eyes are lifted. The skin on my neck is thick.
I am especially thankful to Aprile, Sister Sweets and Toby for their great tips. I am doing most of Aprile's routine since my face is also thin. I am 58 years old and am looking better every day. More when I can. |
Good for you - so glad you are seeing results.
How often are you using the Pico and on what power level and do you have a favorite program (P1 or P2). Love to hear more. I think those of us in our 50's who are on the thin side can especially benefit from your input. thanks. |
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Enjoying dermalogica with my ASG and Pico toner ** Disclosure: I was a participant without remuneration in promotional videos for Ageless Secret Gold and the Neurotris Pico Emmy event. |
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Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:39 am |
I am using it most days. I rest one day when I get that monkey mouth. I started with gloves and then added the probes, which I love. In a nutshell, I use the gloves on P2 on my lower face and neck. I use the probes on P1 from my cheeks up, and my neck. I use the CACI pinch, a few things from the CACI training video on Youtube, and some from Christine Byer. Then there are all the hints from the rest of you. I can get more specific, but I don't know how much I can post in the beginning.
I forgot to mention my full lips last night. The best thing is that I am fixing my lopsided face. Holding longer on one side is helping round out my thinner side. Worth EVERY penny. |
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Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:48 am |
I started out great, then I looked worse. I read all your comments again and realized I was using too high a setting. So I backed off. I am just now up to 35 on P1 and P2. I had the oddest thing. If I get P2 near my eyes I get huge bags. Aprile's tip of going up under the cheekbone solved it.
I was using P2 at night and P1 in the morning for about 12 minutes. Last night I tried them both and I still look good today. (P1 first or you don't sleep.) I am SO loving my cheeks. My face has filled out enough that I have grown my hair a little longer and fuller. I am hoping to get to go back to my Paleo diet that usually makes my face too thin. A little at a time! |
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Thu Oct 17, 2013 9:59 am |
My main concern in the begging was that the best results were coming from Toby, Sister Sweets and Aprile. Why is that a concern? What is one thing they have in common? They all love Ageless Secret. I didn't want that to be the reason Pico worked. I have SO many things, I didn't want to add another one. I didn't. I bought the stem cell gel, but have only used it about twice. I'm in the middle of a month of a Dr. Hauschka treatment, so no other stuff on my face at night.
The best part has been my husband's response. He can't keep his hands off my face. He reached across the table at a restaurant this week and touched my face - both sides. I must admit it feels good because it is so full and firm. I still have lines and some sags, but you cannot deny they other changes. Thank you all for the recommendation and help along the way. |
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Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:01 pm |
| Grammalow wrote: |
My main concern in the begging was that the best results were coming from Toby, Sister Sweets and Aprile. Why is that a concern? What is one thing they have in common? They all love Ageless Secret. I didn't want that to be the reason Pico worked. I have SO many things, I didn't want to add another one. I didn't. I bought the stem cell gel, but have only used it about twice. I'm in the middle of a month of a Dr. Hauschka treatment, so no other stuff on my face at night.
The best part has been my husband's response. He can't keep his hands off my face. He reached across the table at a restaurant this week and touched my face - both sides. I must admit it feels good because it is so full and firm. I still have lines and some sags, but you cannot deny they other changes. Thank you all for the recommendation and help along the way. |
Your husband's response is the best of all. How nice is that!
CaroleB and PQ have good outcomes with Pico and there are others - they just don't post like Aprile and I do(and Toby previously). 
I love the probes too. Toby gave me a nice little trick with them to plump lips. Pm if you want it! I'm so glad you've posted and thanks for sharing your tips and results. If you come up with more tips - please, please, please share them. I'm all ears. |
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Enjoying dermalogica with my ASG and Pico toner ** Disclosure: I was a participant without remuneration in promotional videos for Ageless Secret Gold and the Neurotris Pico Emmy event. |
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Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:59 pm |
| Grammalow wrote: |
My main concern in the begging was that the best results were coming from Toby, Sister Sweets and Aprile. Why is that a concern? What is one thing they have in common? They all love Ageless Secret. I didn't want that to be the reason Pico worked. I have SO many things, I didn't want to add another one. I didn't. I bought the stem cell gel, but have only used it about twice. I'm in the middle of a month of a Dr. Hauschka treatment, so no other stuff on my face at night.
The best part has been my husband's response. He can't keep his hands off my face. He reached across the table at a restaurant this week and touched my face - both sides. I must admit it feels good because it is so full and firm. I still have lines and some sags, but you cannot deny they other changes. Thank you all for the recommendation and help along the way. |
This is a wonderful testimony Grammalow! I am happy that Pico is working so nicely for you, especially to fill out your face! The Caci pinch is the bomb! I love, love, love the routine! Toby was the one who tipped me off to the routine, only said to modify it and perform the pinch higher up on the cheek to avoid the gaunt area... works beautifully! She is extremely intuitive when it comes to both skincare and microcurrent. Which, btw is HUGE in the microcurrent arena. I wish everyone realized that not "one size fits all" when it comes to routines, intensity levels or even frequency. We are all so different and it is indeed a learning process. Unlike Botox or fillers where you just shoot the face up, it's very individual, much like facial exercise. But this puts the onus on the user, you need to be very aware and watch your face to see what works and what does not for you. It's exciting though because when you find a routine that works and stick with it, the rewards are huge. HOW AWESOME!!!!  Best, Aprile
P.S. What Hauschka treatment are you using? I am very interested in that line, particularly since my skin is super sensitive. Thanks! |
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Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:31 pm |
Aprile I hope you find a really excellent line for your dry, sensitive skin.
I love the Caci pinch technique too. I need to rewatch some videos for further technique enhancement so I don't get lazy. |
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Enjoying dermalogica with my ASG and Pico toner ** Disclosure: I was a participant without remuneration in promotional videos for Ageless Secret Gold and the Neurotris Pico Emmy event. |
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Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:46 am |
Aprile, you have been so helplful I wish I could help you. But I have terribly oily, yet very sensitive skin. I am using the Rythmic Night Conditioner, but everyone is supposed to start with that one and move to one more your skin type. In the day I'm using Clarifying toner and Normalizing Day Oil. Jury is still out.
Here is my one disappointment with the Pico gloves. Something happened in my 30's and my face started gushing oil. The only thing that stopped it was Accutane, and I didn't want to continue with it. The result is have large pores on my cheeks and nose. My sisters, my daughters and of course my granddaughters all have procelein, poreless skin. And I have it around the perimeter of my face. But then there are my cheeks. I could see in the beginning that P2 was going to help with the texture, but it makes my eyes swell. I have tried using my Yamuna balls before and after, P1 after, etc. It helps some but the best thing is to stay below my cheekbones with P2. Facial exercise had helped my eyes and I didn't look younger with huge swollen eyes. I didn't want to revert. |
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Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:31 am |
Aprile - you mention Botox - Lately I've read or heard so much about how it eventually damages the involved muscles to the point of no return and extreme loss of tone. What works for a while creates a mess in the long run. It's starting to sound ominous the more I hear about it.
I use frownies a lot and have trained myself to not frown or squint as much and the Pico helps with the lifting and easing of frown lines. When I think about $600 for my toner and what Botox costs (several times a year no less) the Pico is a bargain. |
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Enjoying dermalogica with my ASG and Pico toner ** Disclosure: I was a participant without remuneration in promotional videos for Ageless Secret Gold and the Neurotris Pico Emmy event. |
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Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:45 am |
Three 10 minute sessions with my My-M automated needling device, along with the Environ vitamin oil(estimated expense altogether : $150) have nearly eliminated my frown lines over a 6 month timeframe.
No need for Botox.
BFG |
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Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:27 pm |
| sister sweets wrote: |
Aprile - you mention Botox - Lately I've read or heard so much about how it eventually damages the involved muscles to the point of no return and extreme loss of tone. What works for a while creates a mess in the long run. It's starting to sound ominous the more I hear about it.
I use frownies a lot and have trained myself to not frown or squint as much and the Pico helps with the lifting and easing of frown lines. When I think about $600 for my toner and what Botox costs (several times a year no less) the Pico is a bargain. |
I agree; I haven't even been using frownies (ran out) and my lines have reduced in 4 1/2 months time using Pico. I do think it's helped even moreso since using the probes because you can direct that current directly to the ll's - if that makes sense. What I've been doing is placing the probes directly on the ll lines and slightly *pull* apart and then hold for about 40 seconds. I used to be able to feel a deep depression between my brows and now it's almost gone. Very pleased with the change there. Plus, I don't even do it regularly so I am wondering if it's just affect of the current in general? ~ Aprile |
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Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:24 pm |
| sister sweets wrote: |
| Aprile - you mention Botox - Lately I've read or heard so much about how it eventually damages the involved muscles to the point of no return and extreme loss of tone. What works for a while creates a mess in the long run. It's starting to sound ominous the more I hear about it. |
Sistersweets- my DH was part of the original drug trials for Botox in NY some 23 or so years ago. It was originally tested and approved for the use in people with dystonia. Which is a neurological disorder characterized by involuntary muscle contractions. His issue was his vocal cords would spasm and he could no longer speak. He would get a very small amount of Botox injected directly into vocal cords and it would allow them to relax enough that he could talk again.
After all these years he still has to get injections twice a year. It hasn't weaken his muscles at all. We have kept up with a few other people that were in the drug trials with him also and all of those people still have to get injections also. The only difference is there are doctors all over the world doing it now instead of just one in New York.
I would think if it was damaging muscles to the point of no return this group of people would certainly be one of the first to see that. They have been getting injection long before Botox was approved or even being used off label. |
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Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:27 pm |
Cookie - My only answer without doing the massive cut and paste thing is that they are not the same thing. I recognize that botox is done for true medical reasons as well.
So as to not derail or change the purpose of this thread, let's not discuss the botox subject here - It could take on a life of it's own. 
However ~~ ~~
It is an interesting topic and could make for some lively discussion - It may be worthwhile to start a new thread. |
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Enjoying dermalogica with my ASG and Pico toner ** Disclosure: I was a participant without remuneration in promotional videos for Ageless Secret Gold and the Neurotris Pico Emmy event. |
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Fri Oct 18, 2013 2:42 pm |
| sister sweets wrote: |
Cookie - My only answer without doing the massive cut and paste thing is that they are not the same thing. I recognize that botox is done for true medical reasons as well.
So as to not derail or change the purpose of this thread, let's not discuss the botox subject here - It could take on a life of it's own.
However ~~ ~~
It is an interesting topic and could make for some lively discussion - It may be worthwhile to start a new thread. |
Sorry it was Aprile and you that brought up Botox on this thread, not me. |
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Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:27 pm |
| CookieD wrote: |
| sister sweets wrote: |
Cookie - My only answer without doing the massive cut and paste thing is that they are not the same thing. I recognize that botox is done for true medical reasons as well.
So as to not derail or change the purpose of this thread, let's not discuss the botox subject here - It could take on a life of it's own.
However ~~ ~~
It is an interesting topic and could make for some lively discussion - It may be worthwhile to start a new thread. |
Sorry it was Aprile and you that brought up Botox on this thread, not me. |
Oh my Cookie - Please don't be offended. This was merely a comparison that botox and fillers are pretty much administered much the same way for facial rejuvenation. They shouldn't be, but we've all seen the ugly side of overdone botox and fillers (Nicole Kidman's wicked brow and Madonna's overfilled face come to mind). By contrast, microcurrent and facial exercise really should be tailored more to the individual user's skin type and specific needs. Too high intensity and long treatments might end up producing a gaunt look for certain skin types. Not high enough intensity or short treatments, might not produce any discernable results for others. To me both microcurrent and fe are very intuitive.
But as previsouly stated, there is some evidence when fillers and botox are over used for years, the facial muscles will eventully begin to atrophy. It's sounds as though the way botox is administered for your hubby's medical condition, is quite different than the way botox or fillers are injected for facial rejuvenation. I'm happy that it works for him. ~ Aprile |
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Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:39 pm |
| aprile wrote: |
| CookieD wrote: |
| sister sweets wrote: |
Cookie - My only answer without doing the massive cut and paste thing is that they are not the same thing. I recognize that botox is done for true medical reasons as well.
So as to not derail or change the purpose of this thread, let's not discuss the botox subject here - It could take on a life of it's own.
However ~~ ~~
It is an interesting topic and could make for some lively discussion - It may be worthwhile to start a new thread. |
Sorry it was Aprile and you that brought up Botox on this thread, not me. |
Oh my Cookie - Please don't be offended. This was merely a comparison that botox and fillers are pretty much administered much the same way for facial rejuvenation. They shouldn't be, but we've all seen the ugly side of overdone botox and fillers (Nicole Kidman's wicked brow and Madonna's overfilled face come to mind). By contrast, microcurrent and facial exercise really should be tailored more to the individual user's skin type and specific needs. Too high intensity and long treatments might end up producing a gaunt look for certain skin types. Not high enough intensity or short treatments, might not produce any discernable results for others. To me both microcurrent and fe are very intuitive.
But as previsouly stated, there is some evidence when fillers and botox are over used for years, the facial muscles will eventully begin to atrophy. It's sounds as though the way botox is administered for your hubby's medical condition, is quite different than the way botox or fillers are injected for facial rejuvenation. I'm happy that it works for him. ~ Aprile |
At the risk of being chastised again for going off topic, I would like to answer. My DH medical treatment is the exact same premise as Botox for wrinkles. It is injecting Botox into a muscle to relax it. I fact the lead Doctor in the clinical study was Dr. Brin who has been a head honcho with Allergen for years. He did all kinds of research on Botox for years. Even after the clinical trial was over we flew to see him twice
a year for about 5 or 7 years. We always talked about how his research on Botox was going. I know a lot about this subject from both a personal and research level. So go ahead and cut and paste away.
I not at all concerned about the Botox thing. If administered correctly and not abused(both big if's) it is safe.
What I am more concerned about is when members have questions about the Pico or are not getting results, they personally are always the problem. They are not using correctly. They are not mineralized. They are not eating correctly etc.
A lot of gadgets have learning curves and I certainly believe microcurrent has more then most. I have said this in my reviews of the microcurrent machine I have. It isn't that and it isn't about giving help where needed. It just seems like members can't say it doesn't work for them without getting hassled.
There are a lot of gadgets that don't work for people. I am sure microcurrent isn't any different but to ME PERSONALLY this thread seems to want people not to say that. |
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Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:46 pm |
Cookie - again I'm glad for your husband that the botox treatment is working well for him. I was going to ignore your comments because honestly, it gets pretty tiring having to have enter into this discussion every other page of the thread.
I would also like to add that while you have made your comments, you have also completely ignored the new poster who has been helped by suggestions on this thread. Grammalow stated, "I started out great, then I looked worse. I read all your comments again and realized I was using too high a setting. So I backed off. I am just now up to 35 on P1 and P2. I had the oddest thing. If I get P2 near my eyes I get huge bags. Aprile's tip of going up under the cheekbone solved it." Which just proves that she was looking for some answers, and found them here and is now having success with her Pico. I am so happy for her.
That's the purpose of this thread -- it's supposed to be a *healthy* share of information. I'm pretty confident that my tips and tips posted by Sis and others have been helpful to other members who are not actively posting on this thread.
Can we just put this subject to rest? ~ Aprile |
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Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:22 pm |
This device does not work for everybody. Here is a post right here on this very thread, posted one week ago:
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| Thanks for the replies guys .I have used the pico since april and been very dilligent with it but not got the results I was hoping for. I will keep going with the neck and hope for the best. Bethany I will look into the stop ,also can you please put the pics up for me I would love to see them . Thanks x |
And that same poster wrote this two days ago on a new thread they created:
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| Hi I have been considering ultherapy .Has anyone had this and what was the results.I am wanting it for my neck .As nothing else has worked. |
Like I said, Pico Toner appears to work fine for some people and not work at all for others; just like any other microcurrent device. It has a very, very, VERY steep price tag for something that may or may not work. That's my personal view on the subject. |
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Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:06 pm |
Angela - Isn't it great you found something for yourself in the price range. I'm glad you have a thread too.
Sis |
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Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:17 pm |
| sister sweets wrote: |
Angela - Isn't it great you found something for yourself in the price range. I'm glad you have a thread too.
Sis |
I agree and I thank you for your kind post. Other folks may begin with something less expensive to see if it's going to bring the results they want; sometimes those DIY devices are a "stepping stone" to something like the Pico Toner. That sort of thing can happen as well. |
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Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:18 pm |
| AngelaE8654 wrote: |
| sister sweets wrote: |
Angela - Isn't it great you found something for yourself in the price range. I'm glad you have a thread too.
Sis |
I agree and I thank you for your kind post. Other folks may begin with something less expensive to see if it's going to bring the results they want; sometimes those DIY devices are a "stepping stone" to something like the Pico Toner. That sort of thing can happen as well. |
Angela I couldn't agree more. |
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Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:46 am |
| sister sweets wrote: |
I am going to an anti-aging conference in mid December and hope to learn educated theories on botox as an antiaging modality. |
Sis, are you going to this one? The Functional Medicine aspect is very compelling. It looks like the exhibitors also feature Aesthetic Devices so I am sure the Pico will be of interest.
http://www.a4m.com/anti-aging-conference-lasvegas-2013-dec.html |
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