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Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:40 pm  |
This is a re-post from a LED Light Therapy.... thread that was deleted. Some of the members asked me about the post, but at that time I did not have it. Just by chance I saved a draft which I found recently, and re-posting it here. I tried to summarize on what to look for in a LED device:
What to Look for in LED Devices
Power Output
This is one of the most important factors.
Ask for output per square centimeter per second ( number of joules per cm2 per second).
Many companies give power output per entire device instead of unit of measure. Also they give power output per recommended treatment duration, not per unit of time. To compare apples to apples we need to speak in the same terms.
Note: The device should aim to deliver 4 - 9 joules per cm2 per treatment time. (Treatment time might vary, e.g. 30 seconds, 60 sec, 3 miute, etc. )
Power Output Range
Watch for red flags such as not realistic LED power output. Some companies provide unrealistic numbers that are more suitable for lasers, not LEDs.
730nm Range
Most LEDs devices operate in 600nm and 800nm. NASA studies included 730nm rage. Look for devices that include 730nm LEDs.
Specifications Availability
Look for the manufacturers that readily post the devices technical specifications on their web sites. Those that do not do it might have reasons not to share the specs.
Number of LEDs
Number of LEDs is not as important as the power output, since the LEDs themselves vary from one another. Do not pay that much attention to the number of LEDs.
Treatment Time
Longer treatment time per area indicates a less powerful device. Look for a short treatment time duration per treatment area.
Distance from the Skin
The closer device to the skin, the better.
Country of Origin
USA made devices preferred to China made devices.
Visual Luminosity
A simple way to determine if the device performance is really way off is to look at it. The LEDs when turned on should be luminous, if you can look at the LEDs without much disturbance to the eyes, chances are the device is not a top performer.
Red/Infrared
Red/Infrared LEDs have deeper tissue penetration, and good for collagen/elastin production, and tissue healing. Do not expect red/infrared devices to do much to skin pigmentation.
Amber
Amber LEDs have shallow skin penetration, and good for skin pigmentation treatments, such as sun damage. Do not expect amber devices to do much for collagen/elastin production, and tissue healing.
Mixed Red/Infrared/Amber Devices
Professional oriented devices usually are limited to one type of the LEDs, either red/infrared or amber. Consumer oriented devices tend to have mixed lights. The type of a device is really a preference. Those who are need more performance from a device might be better off with separate LEDs, while those looking for more convinience, and not wanting to joggle between two different types of the devices might be satisfied with mixed LEDs devices.
Skin Preparation
Although some advise on applying lotions prior to LED treatments, professionals normally do not do it. Usually in spas treatments are done on clean skin to get the most benefits from the LEDs. Apply LEDs to clean skin.
FDA Approval
FDA approval does not guarantee LED devices effectiveness. Do not sweat over FDA approval.
If anyone wants to add anything to the summary, please feel free to do so. |
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Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:49 pm |
If, and only if AAL use 600nm then, it's Amber enough. I don't think we can tell the difference between 595nm and 600nm. Most LEDs have a +-10nm tolerance. So, if it said it's 600nm then most of them are 600nm but some will be 590nm~610nm.
I got some RED 623nm LEDs from a distributor who sells high end LEDs. When I told him I want 623nm he said there's always a +- 10 tolerance on LEDs. It happened when manufacture the LEDs. If you want all LED has a precise wavelenth then it's going to be very expensive because they have to test the LED one by one and throw away all +-10nm LEDs. |
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Tue May 06, 2008 7:06 am |
| I bought two devices ProLight Red and ProLight Amber, and I had a phone consultation with Rita. When I received ProLights, there was a print out with personalized skin care recommendations based on the phone consultation. I really appreciate the time and advice I have gotten. |
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Tue May 06, 2008 7:51 pm |
| I find it interesting too and I know where the thread came from and I can't figure out why the discussion keeps going in the same circles, ending at the same place. What I do not find interesting is the feeling that there are ulterior motives behind so much that is getting posted. |
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Tue May 06, 2008 8:55 pm |
| That particular passage of an old thread was dug up by another member and posted. A moderator then came along and deleted it. So why another attempt to twist the facts? All I want is to read the experiences of those people who have this particular LED unit. THAT'S IT. Is too much to ask that the behind the scenes baloney that is apparently taking place come to an end? |
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Tue May 06, 2008 9:12 pm |
[quote="mpstatProLight is one of a few companies that is open about the data. To my experience Rita has been open to discuss LED devices detail, never objected to comparing her devices to the others. Unfortunately this is not the case with some other companies.[/quote]
As I told someone else via PM, at least Rita is open about sharing her product's specs. I wanted to know exactly what I was buying. If something better/more advanced comes out the down the road, how will you know if you need to buy it, if you don't even know what you currently have? Even Gentlewaves, the $20k machine with the patented yellow wavelength will tell you the exact specs of their machine.
And all this blathering back and force about inconsequential BS is like watching soap operas, except we are bickering about stupid lights on a stick, as opposed to hunky men or money! 
Ok....back to completing my ProLight treatment....which I USUALLY find very relaxing.  |
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Thu May 15, 2008 7:43 pm |
| ruk1 wrote: |
| Can someone help enlighten me why it's important to compare LED device to NASA? |
LED devices are not compared to NASA. It is a reference to NASA study that determined that LEDs boost energy to the cells and accelerate healing. Many companies that produce LED devices refer to that NASA research.
Here is a sample article that discusses the study: http://healing.about.com/library/news/bl_pd_NASA001218.htm |
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Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:40 pm |
I found this article on the Derm Blog and thought I would shre it here also.
LED Light Treatment Provides SPF 15 Skin
Protection
With all the hype about sunscreens lately, wouldn’t it be nice if someone came up with another way to protect your skin against sun damage without having to deal with sticky, pasty-white, sometimes ineffective, sunscreen?
Well it may happen soon. A recent study published in the Lasers in Surgery and Medicine found that pre-treating skin with light-emitting diodes (LEDs) protected the skin against ultraviolet light damage. LEDs, which are found in everything from Christmas lights to brake lights, produce low energy, harmless, cool light.
The researchers found that when people were given a series of LED treatments then exposed to ultraviolet light B (UVB is the more damaging radiation from sun exposure), the treated skin was less red and had less ultraviolet light damage as compared to untreated skin. They estimated that a series of LED treatments was equivalent to wearing an SPF 15 sunscreen!
More research has to be done to determine how effective LED light treatments are, especially on different skin types. Therefore, it’ll be sometime before LEDs will be considered a viable alternative to sunscreens. In the meantime, maybe you can hang your LED Christmas lights a little early this year and sit in front of them everyday. Can’t hurt.
Post written by Jeffrey Benabio, MD.
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Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:04 pm |
I have had a number of PMs from people who are starting to be upset by the back and forth on this...this is not what the Forums are meant for, and is probably in violation of the Forum guidelines in one way or another.
Both parties have now had their say, so let's please discontinue the Forum discussion on this topic. |
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Wed Sep 24, 2008 2:11 pm |
Sigma - I am sorry you had a bad experience. I hope the AALS works GREAT for you and you can put this behind you. As I suggested before maybe you can sell your models to someone at a reduced rate and recoup some of your money that way.
My experience with Rita was a positive one. The prolight Red I bought is working for me and I am so grateful I could purchase a demo model. She also gave me great suggestions for skincare. And it was shipped free - a nice bonus.
I'm sorry this is happening ... for everyone. |
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Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:46 pm |
Dear Fox, I am sorry to hear about what you are going through. First of all, do not dispare in any situation keep your spirits up!!! There is always a light in the end of the tunnel.
Do not know that LED is the best direction to go, but it is worth trying, you have nothing to lose, so try it.
LEDs help to treat muscle inflammation, no miracles here, but they do help. http://heelspurs.com/led.html web site has some minimal info about it. Red/infrared light goes 1 inch deep into tissue. And the deeper light needs to go, more treatment time is needed. Also you can try to contact Rita, and see what she has to say about it.
Another suggestion is to use ultrasound device. 1 MHz ultrasound goes quite deep into the tissue up to 6 - 10 cm. and helps healing too. I myself bought such a device for a friend of mine to help with shoulder problems, and also gave this friend my old LED. Your physician might provide more suggestions about it. On EDS BellAire devices are popular http://skinspatula.com/Massagers.htm You can also get them from eBay.
I really hope that something would work for you. Sending you lots of love.  |
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Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:07 pm |
| Hello Fox - I have a condition in my neck, the bones on the left side have collapsed and sometimes I cannot turn my head to the left at all and the pain also goes down into my shoulder. Physio and other therapies did absolutely nothing. Then I purchased a very cheap ($15) LED device from the supermarket - and it worked WONDERS! So now, whenever I feel the pain starting I put the light on it. The same light has also been very helpful for my husbands dodgy knees. The supermarket device was actually purchased before I bought my more sophisticated Baby Q and Lightstim - so I don't think that you have to necessarily spend allot of money on an LED that will (hopefully) relieve your condition. Good luck |
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Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:20 pm |
| Fox wrote: |
| bethany wrote: |
I forgot to mention that I did my "phone interview" yesterday...it was very extensive, and Rita shared a number of tips to help me with inflammation (I have fibromyalgia), fatigue, etc.
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Oh wow 
When I joined this forum, I posted on the Baby Quasar thread and asked a question about one of the illnesses I have to see if the BQ could help with my symptoms of bruises, inflammation and joint pain. No one has got back to me on that thread yet (please do, if you can ) but what you said here really grabs my attention.
My other condition - my main, big, dominating one - is one I've been struggling with for a long, long time. It's a lot like fibromyalgia (in fact, I used to have it) but I didn't dare think for a second that an LED light could help.
I'm getting over a cold at the moment and can't read through the whole thread, but I'd like to know more about if the LEDs have helped your inflammation or muscle pains or whatever. I know it won't be a miracle treatment, and I'm not looking for that, but ANY improvement is welcome as I'm sure you'll know. My illness has been so slow to get better - I'm 21 and I've been ill for eleven years, still pretty much house bound and wheelchair user - and I'd just really appreciate any information you have. Thanks for your help
I actually feel quite emotional after writing that  |
Fox, the ProLight has helped with my post-surgery inflammation of my nose, and it also helps with fluid retention under my eyes.
I haven't tried it on my Fibro pain points...I don't why, but it never ocurred to me to do so. But that might be because if the pain is too horrid, I just slap on a lidocaine patch which is guaranteed pain relief. But I'll give that a shot next time.
ProLights are the strongest out there (of those will willing share their specs), and the ProLight Red is probably your best bet. However, it is more expensive than the Platinum. And the only negative is that the treatment area is not very large....not the best option if you are treating more widespread pain and inflammation.
TheLEDman.net may be an option for you...they are cheaper, can be made to any size you like (custom sizes too), but I suspect they are NOT as strong as ProLight. However, I believe skincareaddict bought a red/infrared for pain and found it to be very helpful in reducing her pain.
Here is the link...I would suggest reading the thread and contacting V directly. His focus is more pain relief (as opposed to skin care), and he might be able to share some additional tips with you. Feel free to PM me if you want his contact info.
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=30844 |
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Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:54 am |
(I've copied + pasted this, in all relevant threads)
Just a reminder for the LED specials for EDS members I got from ProLight + Lightstim for those interested. (Quasar (Alex) never got back to me)...
These are EDS members specials:
ProLight:
http://www.prolightaesthetics.com
1. Holiday Special for EDS members:
Purchase ProLight Platinum, and get a UltraCleanse Ultrasonic Facial Cleansing Device absolutely FREE (Total package valued at $410.00 for Special Pricing of $325.00).
2. With the purchase of any of the Professional
ProLights-Demo Models---ProLight Red, or ProLight Amber or Prolight Blue........receive a High Frequency Hand-Held Portable Device ( valued at $150.00)which is excellent for its anti- bacterial, germicidal action on the skin: extremely effective for minimizing acne conditions. Increase circulation and oxygenation of the skin.( Total package valued at $648.00 for Special Price of $498.00)
***(Rita requested that you please be sure to mention you are an EDS member***
LightStim:
http://www.lightstim.com
10% off any LightStim device, through the end of November, for EDS members only.
coupon code is: octb8469
Disclaimer: I do not work for ANY LED company, I just asked the 3 top companies if they would like to offer EDS members a discount...(I believe in these products, and would just want, whomever is interested, to experience the same results I've enjoyed, at a great price!!) |
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♥I'm flattered by all the lovely PM's, but I don't get here much these days. Please don't be afraid to post your quearies to other DIY members who will be glad to help you (or sell you their wares..lol) Still happy with LED, dermarolling and a DIY antioxidant regime. Peace & Hugs to all.♥ |
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Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:54 am |
Thank you Kassy for posting ProLight promotions!
ProLight Ultrasonic Spatula sounds as a good product: http://www.prolightaesthetics.com/skin_care_equipment.html
I talked to Rita about ProLight Spatula, and asked how it compares to Bellaire products. Rita said that it is comparable to Bellaire Portable Proskin Spatula. She also said that she is planning to add other devices and products that sound very exciting. Some of the things Rita mentioned ultrasound devices, skin moisture meter devices (like aestheticians use to evaluate skin moisture), Cleansing brush similar to Clarisonic, that in addition has rotating head, and more. |
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Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:36 am |
Somehow some of the threads disappeared from my Watched Topics list. I just visited ProLight web site and wanted to post on this thread about new devices, but the thread disappeared from the watched list, so I had to search for it. I have missed discussion on some threads, including good discussion on this thread. So far I identified two lost threads, but positive that I am missing many more... I suspect that the same might happened to MACrisis, and she is no longer receives notifications on some of the topics.
Now back to the ProLight web site. http://www.prolightaesthetics.com/skin_care_equipment.html
In addition to Ultrasonic Skin Scrubber it has now ProLight Ultrasound/Galvanic Device, and ProLight High Frequency Beauty Device.
I have been doing galvanic treatments with a different device that I bought some time ago, and can say that I love galvanic treatments. They are in my favorites category. They do not take much time, and I could see some positive results. The device I have is not portable, while Rita's device looks very portable. Galvanic treatments require special ionized gels/solutions I wonder if Rita is going to sell those gels as well, or what she would recommend to those who purchase her galvanic device.
I am providing here info on the two new additions from ProLight web site:
ProLight Ultrasound/Galvanic Device
Exfoliation is only one aspect of skin rejuvenation...............
Did you know that the one of the most important keys to an effective skin care treatment is product penetration.
Traditionally, aesthetic professionals will increase product penetration by various manual massage movements, heat, and a combination of various modalities.
Many medical and aesthetic professionals agree that penetrating active ingredients or drugs into the skin can be accomplished with galvanic current, called iontophoresis or using galvanic current for deep pore cleansing by emulsifying the sebum, cellular debris, and make-up in the follicle/pore, called desincrustation. More recently, Sonophoresis,....utilizing ultrasonic waves to penetrate water-soluble active liquids, gels, serums, or ampoules into the dermis for enhanced facial rejuvenation. Prolight Ultrasound/Galvanic device incorporates ultrasound technology and galvanic current to enhance any skin care treatment for maximum skin rejuvenation.
ProLight High Frequency Beauty Device
No professional aesthetic treatment should be without High Frequency Equipment.
Direct High Frequency application is one of the most important and effective treatment steps post- extractions, for acne conditions, controlling sebum/oil, including break out from shaving and waxing. High Frequency provides germicidal and antibacterial effects on the skin, thus reducing inflammation and increasing the healing of acne conditions. |
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Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:45 pm |
Flitcraft - Kassie has been using the antiaging lightstim longer than you have been using the prolight platinum and she is faithful! and the original lighstim before that. She is the poster child of results.
I would suggest from all I read it is about power of the lights and faithful use. I suspect you will be blessed with results too - like Kassie given time, time, time.
I love my prolight Red. (collagen baby!) Just saw a picture of me two years ago and one this week - taken same big Christmas party (always the upclose picture taken every year) and I look better - skin firmer, more lift, vibrant. I never knew! but it was so obvious and I thought the other picture was nice! I credit the prolight and my almost six months of FE and now Ageless.....
Awesome.....whoops - good skincare too and lots $$$ figuring it out.
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Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:59 pm |
| Just thought that it was worth checking. With several gadgets it is easy to misuse power supply from another one. And this possibility is eliminated now. |
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Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:45 pm |
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| Allison - this is excellent! It is so good to have an esthetician on the board, and hear your feedback about ProLights. Especially since you deal with multiple clients. Can you please share what kind of results have you seen? Thanks! |
Personal results: Due to genetics I've always had a degree of natural skin laxity and at 30 I definitely have some fine expression lines around the eyes & mouth. Also I'm acne prone and have noticed that as I am aging the scarring from years past becomes more obvious. I've noticed a definite improvement in skin tonicity, it feels noticeably firmer. The acne scarring is improved, the expression lines are GONE and I'm experiencing less breakouts in general. Allover skin color is more even, less redness. I've never been prone to pigmentation so I can't comment on that, but it makes red marks from previous breakouts heal much more quickly and without visible scarring.
My clients: most of my clients that are in love with the LEDs are in their fifties or above, with roseacea, dry skin, lines, and pigmentation. They have noticed (and I have felt it, too) tightening and firming of the skin, pigment is lightening bit by bit, redness is decreasing, and skin stays hydrated better, and for longer. I always do Rita's ultrasonic spatula prior to the LED treatments, and perform the treatments 10-14 days apart with a 1-2 minute treatment time per area and I will go over target areas (pigmentation or deep lines) again for an additional 60-second spot treatment.
I have to say that as an esthetician I'm always searching for ways to deliver the best results. This can clash with my preference for organic skin care, and my being opposed to parabens & sulfates (endocrine disruptors in general). The use of my LED and other tools has been a great way to give my clients effective results and remain in keeping with my goal to use products that I feel won't harm myself or my clients. |
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Sat Apr 11, 2009 5:14 pm |
Hi there MaryClaire,
Welcome to the forum
I'm not sure what your question is, exactly - are you looking for info to send to V so he can make you a light matching those specs?
If so, *some* of the info is proprietary so you aren't going to get an identical unit. If you're willing to check the link posted in response to Russiansunshine, you'll see a comparison of LEDman lights and Prolight in that thread. It seems that people are generally happy with their lights from the LEDman, so this is probably a good option if you're on a budget. Based on his product specs, his LED units aren't as powerful. This means you'll have to do longer treatment sessions to get equivalent results, but for some people, this may not be a drawback (I think his LEDs might be bigger, too, so that might make up for some of the time lost).
I was initially going to get a light from theLEDman too, but I knew I'd eventually want the stronger Prolight. So, instead of buying a light from him last July, I saved up until I could get the Prolight (that was just a couple weeks ago, but I don't regret it!)
| MaryClaire wrote: |
This is my first post and it's probably a little crazy...I'm almost 58 years old and retired and my income is limited but I get so excited about the different skin rejuvenation treatments that I can't help but want to join in the fun...my question is this:
I would like to have some LED units manufactured by "theledman" (I'm new so can't post the link) using the specs as to what to look for in a LED device. He does this routinely but does it for more general aches and pains. These are the specs I have so far.
Red at 660nm/infared at 880nm
192mw/cm2
36 Super Luminous Diodes
Multiple Red/infrared wavelengths
Amber unit
36 Super Luminous Medical Grade LED's 53mW per each diode
From another poster on a different site, she did something similar and she said she only spent around 100 dollars per unit which I could afford.
I would appreciate your comments but please be gentle .
MaryClaire |
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Sun Apr 03, 2011 3:48 am |
| logger710 wrote: |
| i bought an Acetino Professional led device and find it wonderful and it was a great bargain. |
As a matter of fact, you didn’t exactly do that because you are an employee of GlobalPremierSourcing, a company based in Ireland that sells the Acetino Professional Photon Therapy Led device.
That in itself is not a bad thing, just be honest about it and tell us who you are. It’s very naive to think that you can get away with the ‘I stumbled across this amazing device’ act. Not on this board.
People might be interested in this Led device which, by the way, seems to me to be exactly the same device as the Sirius Aurora Led device, just with a different label. That in itself is not a bad thing either.
So please, tell us more about this LED device. Thát would be very much appreciated!
This is not the average skincare forum. This forum is full of intelligent and well informed people with a sharp mind and intellect and with an incredible amount of knowledge.
Because I think the LED device you are representing might be of interest for people who don’t want to spend $$$ on a Led device, I will start a new topic on this device.
I really hope you will chime in, answer our questions and share with us everything you know. Don’t try to hype, sell or market this device; that’s against the policy of this forum anyway. Just inform us about it! Properly! This approach will be of much more benefit to the members of this board and to your company. |
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