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Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:21 pm      Reply with quote
I don't know what to make of the no acids theory and the Vitamin C oxidation claims. We have too many doctors all telling us different things - who are we supposed to believe? For myself, I think I'll stick with mainstream scientific evidence until such beliefs are widely accepted. Incidentally, I read today that mouthwashes can cause cancer. It seems like everyday there's a report stating that something we are either using or eating is detrimental to our health. If you worry too much about all of this, you just drive yourself crazy - and we all know that stress is the biggest enemy of all.

I think that if your skin can tolerate Retinoic Acid, then stick with it. If it can't, then go for a retinol product. All the studies and articles that I have ever read come down to the opinion that Retin-A is still the gold standard of anti-aging. If the application of L-Ascorbic Acid worries you, I would go for an oil soluble Vitamin C which is supposed to be far more stable.

As for the Dermaroller - nothing in life is 100% safe. I once got septicemia from pricking my finger on a cactus - so s**t happens! However, I think the Dermaroller is a wonderful tool for skin rejuvenation, however, it must be used judiciously and with good hygiene. I've been needling now for about two years and have taken a fairly aggressive approach to my anti-aging routine. At nearly 60, I figure I've got nothing to loose. I started off using a 1.5mm roller and did six rolls in six weeks. Then I stopped for a while and rolled occasionally. I now use a 0.5mm roller and roll every two weeks. In between I use the STOP. After rolling I have always applied Retin-A - my skin tolerates it extremely well and I have never had any irritation. My skin does peel slightly, however, after the rolling - but there is no redness or irritation. I believe I have improved the look of my skin immensely from doing this - my sebaceous hyperplasia, wrinkles and pores all look allot better. As for collagen and elastin production - I'm not so sure - I still have the same amount of sagging.

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My primary concern at the moment isn't aging skin, but rather hyperpigmentation. I feel that we all have to be the best judges of what works best for our skin, but I think there is certainly something to be said about overusing harsh, irritating products, even when it isn't immediately apparent that the skin is irritated. I can say from experience, that over the years, I have made my pigmentation issues worse from overusing products and other irritants.

I think in the past few years especially, the skincare industry has had a bit of a love affair with acids/peels/retinols, and anybody that has used them has probably had a pleasant experience at one point or another. But, I don't think there has necessarily been the real nitty gritty research to weigh the good vs bad.

As I am learning, lasers, peels and the like are best at treating epidermal issues. Yet, we use a lot of products that strip and peel the epidermis in attempts to build up collagen in the dermis; rather than working from the top down, we should be working from the bottom up--I think that has been the biggest skincare revelation I've had in awhile.

With that said, while I find the 302 line intriguing, I still think there is a lot of research to be done on skincare actives and what works best. Like many have mentioned, everything is inevitably bad for us in some way and we can't avoid everything, so I'm not sure I necessarily find things like L-asorbic or retinoic acid to be as bad as some claim, but more of a thing to be used in moderation. I don't even feel that occasional use of peeling agents is a bad thing, but many of us know from experience, they can get really addicting and do more harm than good--I've been there, done that, and now I'm looking or alternatives.
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Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:17 pm      Reply with quote
Alien wrote:
I should post some of the HORRIFIC pics I have of people that invited Staph A and MRSA infections by doing these, frankly, nutty procedures at home.


In a former life I was a medical photographer in a hospital - Monday was always my busiest day - why? Photographing people who had burned themselves having their weekend bar-b-ques! And, yes I have equally horrific pics. Does that mean that nobody should have a bar-b-que at home?

I don't mean to belittle your point though - I know where you're coming from - Dermarolling should be treated with respect. However, I would point out that just about all of us have been guilty of picking at our pimples with sharp implements and dirty fingers - equally risky. And whilst on the subject of pimples - badly infected pimples can lead to meningitis - people have actually died from acne. I say again, nothing in life is 100% safe, we are all at risk from everything.

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Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:04 am      Reply with quote
I don't want to keep going on and on about this point, however, as an example, my sister-in-law never ever used tampons because she was so afraid of getting toxic shock syndrome - a risk that never worried me. All the studies that I have read - many of which can be found on a relevant thread on this Forum, have found the risks associated with dermarolling to be low. I'm yet to be convinced that dermarolling can be compared to stepping in front of a moving train!

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Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:07 am      Reply with quote
Alien wrote:
Keliu,
do more research


Here's some research papers for you to read. Very Happy

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=29860

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