Carole Maggio's Cheekbones
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free skin care · Fri May 04, 2012 9:54 am

Kassy_A wrote:

Maybe I'm alone in this thought, but when *someone* decides to use "their" face to make their fame and fortune, they open themselves up to both raves & ridicule.

Exactly!
After all, she has built her whole business around her face, and used it as the proof that her face exercises actually work. So it is understandable that people will based their opinions about her program based on her looks and the ones that like the results she presents will purchase her program.

I personally purchased FlexEffect when I saw Deb's photos. She published them publicly, and since in my opinion she looked fantastic, I've decided to give them a try. Same thing here, if someone decides to stop with exercises because of fear that she'll end up looking similar to Carole, that person has the right to voice her opinion.

After all, I believe many of us here receive far tougher scrutiny from our clients and bosses, and if God forbids we mess something up and fail to achieve the desired results, comments would be far worse that the ones Carole got here! Sad

free skin care · Fri May 04, 2012 9:54 am

SeanySeanUK wrote:

If "She doesn't look that great in her recent pictures," was all that was said it would be fine, but it clearly wasn’t and isn’t. I don’t understand this pretence that its all good and loving when clearly it is downright obvious it isn’t.

Kassy - Unlike me? Squirming a bit? Pleeze give me a break!

, If you have seen Kassy's pictures squirm I don't think so Sean. It appears you really are reaching at this point!

free skin care · Fri May 04, 2012 9:58 am

agatha wrote:

Kassy_A wrote:

Maybe I'm alone in this thought, but when *someone* decides to use "their" face to make their fame and fortune, they open themselves up to both raves & ridicule.

Exactly!
After all, she has built her whole business around her face, and used it as the proof that her face exercises actually work. So it is understandable that people will based their opinions about her program based on her looks and the ones that like the results she presents will purchase her program.

I personally purchased FlexEffect when I saw Deb's photos. She published them publicly, and since in my opinion she looked fantastic, I've decided to give them a try. Same thing here, if someone decides to stop with exercises because of fear that she'll end up looking similar to Carole, that person has the right to voice her opinion.

After all, I believe many of us here receive far tougher scrutiny from our clients and bosses, and if God forbids we mess something up and fail to achieve the desired results, comments would be far worse that the ones Carole got here! Sad

That is just how I see it also, and I will vote with both my eyes and wallet!

Thanks for addressing it so eloquently agatha!

free skin care · Fri May 04, 2012 10:02 am

Oh, for Pete's sake...

Sean, just looking at the two pictures of Carol below, which were taken only months apart, what words would you use to describe the difference between the two? And I'm not talking about things like: It's the lighting or makeup. I'm talking actually adjectives that you would use to describe the differences between these two pictures:

free skin care · Fri May 04, 2012 10:24 am

SeanySeanUK wrote:

Seriously just because you don’t like the look one person has achieved it doesn’t mean that by doing her system you’re going to end up identical to her.

Likewise facial exercise programs are like shoes nowadays in the sense that there are thousands out there which are different, so if one doesn’t give you results your wanting, you have many others to try that may give you entirely different results.

I don't think the issue is necessarily about a "look". For instance, someone could have an overbuilt look or a surprised look, I could still follow their exercises, but maybe go lightly on some exercises. The issue is that she just doesn't look that good for someone selling facial exercises. I don't think anyone expects her to look 30, but people want something to aspire to when they're older. I think it's natural for people to question whether her exercises -at best-don't do anything and-at worst-cause more harm than good. I've been back and forth on facial exercises and honestly these photos don't give me a lot of faith. The forehead exercises have been one of my concerns, and I wonder why she always has her forehead covered.

It's sort of like when you see an overweight person teaching a spin class. They may be a great instructor, but it's just not very motivating.

And sandooch, I think the big difference between those two photos can probably be explained by photoshop in the first one.

free skin care · Fri May 04, 2012 10:38 am

RyanA wrote:

And sandooch, I think the big difference between those two photos can probably be explained by photoshop in the first one.

I see photoshop as the answer too, and I have used both PaintShop Pro and Photoshop to work with graphics for the last 18 years at least!

free skin care · Fri May 04, 2012 10:41 am

SeanySeanUK wrote:

Kassy - Unlike me? Squirming a bit? Pleeze give me a break!

Tis crystal clear Sean... Why not just admit that you HATE that those bloody photos of Carol were posted? I can almost see (in my minds eye) you stamping your feet and feverishly writing emails.)

What are your thoughts on those two photos just above? Are you still hell bent on coming to her defense (in every single thread?)

For *Gawds* sake! (Top picture).. Even photoshop couldn't erase the dents in her cheeks. It looks like play doh to me.. (Bottom picture).. Her skin looks deflated, rubbery and crinkly. Sorry, but that *house of cards* is clearly falling down.

This is the person that wants to tell people facial exercise is her claim to fame, while selling them her books, programs and products.. Quite frankly I feel foolish and duped to have fell for it myself.. As a person who owns not only Carole Maggio's program but also Ageless, Flex Effect 2 & 3 and Facial Magic, I have every right to say my opinions here. Sorry if it hits you directly in your wallet.

So you didn't address my query on the previous page. I think it's very relevant and would like to see you "squirm" your way out of it;

Kassy_A wrote:

I think now she is between a rock and a hard place.. If she admits to fillers, surgery, implants or whatever then facial exercise is a pretty moot point. If she continues to insist facial exercise is all she does, then the latest photo's would suggest they do more harm than good... Essentially, she's screwed (just MHO of course.)

free skin care · Fri May 04, 2012 11:27 am

isn't it wonderful how we are all able to express our opinions. Freedom of speech and all that bumpf.
Kassy, RyanA, Sandooch,Agatha and anyone I amy have missed, I would just like to say....You nailed it. Hip hip hooray.

free skin care · Fri May 04, 2012 11:35 am

I wouldn't take Carol's skin to be necessarily an indication that facial exercises don't work. So many things affect the quality of someone's skin. Her muscle tone doesn't seem to be that bad--- I don't see a lot of sag, especially for someone in her 60s. So possibly exercises have helped with that, and maybe her diet, stress, illness (as suggested here) or fillers, etc have wrecked her skin.

Regarding fillers and skin quality, I went to an aesthetician in Minneapolis last spring who told me that she feels fillers "kill" the vitality of skin (luckily I had only tried them 2 times at that point and stopped). I can say that last summer after my filler incident my skin went through a drastic downturn for several months that luckily did turn around after over 6 months.

Anyways, those are my thoughts. I see beautiful women, Carolyn Cleaves, Tonya Z, Eva, Deb and many memebers on this board--sister, geo girl and others-- who are long term practitioners of facial exercise with great skin and toned faces.

free skin care · Fri May 04, 2012 1:11 pm

At the risk of being flayed alive again:

Carol posted pictures of her results from doing her program (picture one). She then let the camera's photograph her doing her program (see picture 2) while on the beach or somewhere outside.

Her face is what sells her program, everyone, must admit, photo 2 does not sell her program very well.

If I were selling an eye cream and showed pictures of my eyes looking line less, then everyone who bought my cream, saw another picture where I have clearly aged a good 20 years, I'd be crucified, and I'd have to take it. I was after all using my own face to sell my product.

While I understand you make a living doing face exercises SeanUK, and you make look incredible, and they may work fabulous, you must admit her face IS HER PRODUCT. She alone allowed those pictures, they were not snapped outside a club at 3 am. So it "might" be fair to question the long term effect of using HER face exercises based on her OWN product.

free skin care · Fri May 04, 2012 5:10 pm

I want to see these inspiring Kassy_A photos too!
I can't find them with search, nor the profile link..
where are they? Question

I need to take photos too. If I can get a cheek lift, I will be inspiring too. It would be that dramatic if they were gone. Very Happy

free skin care · Fri May 04, 2012 5:21 pm

SansSouci572 wrote:

I want to see these inspiring Kassy_A photos too!
I can't find them with search, nor the profile link..
where are they? Question

I need to take photos too. If I can get a cheek lift, I will be inspiring too. It would be that dramatic if they were gone. Very Happy

Kassy (along with others) does not leave her pictures up for long, she has found them on advertising sites and others as I recall that she has nothing to do with.

It is a sad fact of the internet, people take liberties with other's photos. Confused

free skin care · Fri May 04, 2012 8:56 pm

DarkMoon wrote:

Kassy (along with others) does not leave her pictures up for long, she has found them on advertising sites and others as I recall that she has nothing to do with.

It is a sad fact of the internet, people take liberties with other's photos. Confused

Thank you. No wonder I couldn't find them!

free skin care · Mon May 07, 2012 9:14 pm

sandooch wrote:

Oh, for Pete's sake...

Sean, just looking at the two pictures of Carol below, which were taken only months apart, what words would you use to describe the difference between the two? And I'm not talking about things like: It's the lighting or makeup. I'm talking actually adjectives that you would use to describe the differences between these two pictures:

These were supposedly taken a couple of months apart? Are you SERIOUS? That is just not possible, without some serious digital intervention on the top pic.

You know what is sad though...she could look SOOO much younger if she changed her hair and makeup. She is aging herself even more with the horrid haircuts (what is she hiding behind all the hair pulled toward her face in the bottom pic), a color that is too dark, and the excessive makeup.

Less is definitely more as you get older. Could someone PLEASE get her a new stylist and makeup artist...I think it would make a huge difference for her.

free skin care · Tue May 08, 2012 2:19 am

DarkMoon – what the hell you talking about – it was Kassy who said “fully understand why the exercise guru's might be squirming a bit “, and I don’t have a clue as to your comment but suffice to say we’re never going to be in agreement on this.

DarkMoon wrote:

, If you have seen Kassy's pictures squirm I don't think so Sean. It appears you really are reaching at this point!

Kassy, what you see in your minds eye, isn’t actually true at all. I’m not hellbent on coming to Carole’s defence, and don’t need to be. What is the crux here is that there are huge misconceptions going on. I’m not a Facercise trainer, never have been. Nor do I do facercise, but having said that I do a system which whilst different to that program, will nonetheless be judged on the basis of the merits of this conversation taking place here.
Your opinions are your own, and I’m not here to change you or anyone else – far from it. However simply put to say that your experience of Maggio’s program is or should be the same for everyone else is. Nor is every single program out there going to deliver what Carole has or hasn’t achieved with her program. Likewise what I’ve achieved with using the program I use isn’t going to be identical to what someone else using that program is going to achieve.
I didn’t see any query you wanted me to particularly address and have just reread the message and still cannot see it. However I don’t really think there is any need or point in further communicating on this point as I think I’ve made myself relatively clear enough.
Tiny sure I understand people’s perceptions, but the mistake that’s being made here is the suggestion that facial exercises are bad. Even if you dislike Carole’s look, there are many out there who do look good and use facial exercises (and haven’t been “gotten” as such by them). Take Eva Fraser, as a great example, or Deb Crowley, or even Tom Haggerty as pure examples.
The photos, well when I look at them, honestly, I see a studio posed photo compared against a photo of someone in a conversation. I watched the programs she did, and whilst I don’t for myself want her results, I’m not judging all programs out there to be identical to Carole’s. Likewise, I’m also not criticising her for what I think she should or shouldn’t have achieved. There could be any number of reasons for Carole’s appearance, and at the end of the day she is entitled to live her life the way she chooses as is anyone, but when it gets down to downright nasty comments and accusations (which are completely unfounded) its pure and simply sad!

free skin care · Tue May 08, 2012 4:01 am

Here Sean......

SeanySeanUK wrote:

If "She doesn't look that great in her recent pictures," was all that was said it would be fine, but it clearly wasn’t and isn’t. I don’t understand this pretence that its all good and loving when clearly it is downright obvious it isn’t.

Kassy - Unlike me? Squirming a bit? Pleeze give me a break!

free skin care · Tue May 08, 2012 5:24 am

Yes I'm well aware of my own quote which was in response to Kassy's Comment: “fully understand why the exercise guru's might be squirming a bit“, but what I still do not understand is your comment above - but at the end of the day I don't see the necessity in running around any further in communicating on this subject.

DarkMoon wrote:

Here Sean......

SeanySeanUK wrote:

If "She doesn't look that great in her recent pictures," was all that was said it would be fine, but it clearly wasn’t and isn’t. I don’t understand this pretence that its all good and loving when clearly it is downright obvious it isn’t.

Kassy - Unlike me? Squirming a bit? Pleeze give me a break!

free skin care · Tue May 08, 2012 5:27 am

For completeness as part of the conversation has been quoted, I figure it better that the whole thing be displayed at once for clarity's sake.

So Kassy says:

Kassy_A wrote:

Maybe I'm alone in this thought, but when *someone* decides to use "their" face to make their fame and fortune, they open themselves up to both raves & ridicule.

As for those recent photos, they speak volumes, not much speculation required. But unlike Sean, I tend to believe my own eyes.

Then again, I have nothing to gain or lose when the jig is up, but fully understand why the exercise guru's might be squirming a bit... Anxious

To which I reply:

SeanySeanUK wrote:

If "She doesn't look that great in her recent pictures," was all that was said it would be fine, but it clearly wasn’t and isn’t. I don’t understand this pretence that its all good and loving when clearly it is downright obvious it isn’t.

Kassy - Unlike me? Squirming a bit? Pleeze give me a break!

To which you respond:

DarkMoon wrote:

SeanySeanUK wrote:

If "She doesn't look that great in her recent pictures," was all that was said it would be fine, but it clearly wasn’t and isn’t. I don’t understand this pretence that its all good and loving when clearly it is downright obvious it isn’t.

Kassy - Unlike me? Squirming a bit? Pleeze give me a break!

, If you have seen Kassy's pictures squirm I don't think so Sean. It appears you really are reaching at this point!

free skin care · Tue May 08, 2012 5:28 am

All due respect Sean, You are the one who continues to return to this thread commenting on other's opinions.

SeanySeanUK wrote:

Yes I'm well aware of my own quote which was in response to Kassy's Comment: “fully understand why the exercise guru's might be squirming a bit“, but what I still do not understand is your comment above - but at the end of the day I don't see the necessity in running around any further in communicating on this subject.

DarkMoon wrote:

Here Sean......

SeanySeanUK wrote:

If "She doesn't look that great in her recent pictures," was all that was said it would be fine, but it clearly wasn’t and isn’t. I don’t understand this pretence that its all good and loving when clearly it is downright obvious it isn’t.

Kassy - Unlike me? Squirming a bit? Pleeze give me a break!

free skin care · Tue May 08, 2012 8:08 am

I will only coyly comment that I know what my eyes see when they compare pictures/footage of Ms Maggio over the years, and leave it as ambiguous as that.

I realise Sean has mentioned before that he has been attacked about his looks in the past. Perhaps this is why he is taking this so personally and feels he has to protect Carole's feelings and reputation.

However, those pictures/video clips of hers are pretty damning.

No-one is making a comment about how effective FlexEffect/any other program is, or how knowledgeable a teacher he is?

Unfortunately, it can only serve to put prospective customers OFF Carole's program, and if it affects their opinions of other programs, there's not much anyone can do about that. Rightly or wrongly, we all make our own choices and assumptions.

I think we can all agree that facial exercises don't work out well for everybody..it's very much a "suck it and see" option.

PS: Let's not forget that LouLou's most recent video uploads didn't have her looking her best and some speculated over whether she had fillers or not. I won't comment on my opinion on that, either. The other ups and downs that happened with Ageless customers/its forum gave facial exercises a bit of a knock, too.

Yes it IS horrible when strangers make personal comments via a monitor; but the beauty industry is full of scams, snake oil salesmen and phony raves. It's perfectly fine to be a sceptic!

I haven't been put off facial exercises; I'm still intrigued and think they have a lot to offer.

free skin care · Tue May 08, 2012 9:48 am

Yes, LouLou's face does look bloated in her most recent video, but I believe, unlike Carole, (someone correct me if I'm wrong) that she has admitted to using fillers. I'm fine with that; to each their own and more power to you. Just be upfront with what you're doing or have done so customers don't assume you look the way you do from facial exercise alone.

free skin care · Tue May 08, 2012 10:19 am

I totally agree with you Sandooch: nothing wrong with using fillers, as long as you're up front and don't raise expectations that are not realistic!

It's so sad that often there is so much drama around facial exercises. That takes away the attention from the potential it has.

free skin care · Wed May 09, 2012 6:30 am

There's been so much discussion on the Forum of late about truth in advertising relating to skin care topicals - and I don't see why the same needn't apply to the proponents of facial exercises. They are selling us a technique which they state slows down or halts the aging process. In addition, they are usually promoted as a natural approach, one which will help in avoiding the need for more invasive procedures.

Therefore, I think it's perfectly acceptable for potential or existing customers to expect the facial exerciser flogger to have aged "gracefully" without the need for intervention. What does it say to the consumer if the facial exercise proponent has had to go and get cheek implants and lip fillers? It says, "It didn't work and I had to get work done!"

free skin care · Wed May 09, 2012 8:56 am

Keliu wrote:

There's been so much discussion on the Forum of late about truth in advertising relating to skin care topicals - and I don't see why the same needn't apply to the proponents of facial exercises. They are selling us a technique which they state slows down or halts the aging process. In addition, they are usually promoted as a natural approach, one which will help in avoiding the need for more invasive procedures.

Therefore, I think it's perfectly acceptable for potential or existing customers to expect the facial exerciser flogger to have aged "gracefully" without the need for intervention. What does it say to the consumer if the facial exercise proponent has had to go and get cheek implants and lip fillers? It says, "It didn't work and I had to get work done!"

That was my thought, exactly... Yes, it's great for people like LouLou to be up front about getting fillers... but then... Really??

Really?

It's a slipper slope when face exercise creators start getting professional facial regeneration help... Very slippery.

free skin care · Wed May 09, 2012 9:07 am

Luminosity wrote:

Keliu wrote:

There's been so much discussion on the Forum of late about truth in advertising relating to skin care topicals - and I don't see why the same needn't apply to the proponents of facial exercises. They are selling us a technique which they state slows down or halts the aging process. In addition, they are usually promoted as a natural approach, one which will help in avoiding the need for more invasive procedures.

Therefore, I think it's perfectly acceptable for potential or existing customers to expect the facial exerciser flogger to have aged "gracefully" without the need for intervention. What does it say to the consumer if the facial exercise proponent has had to go and get cheek implants and lip fillers? It says, "It didn't work and I had to get work done!"

That was my thought, exactly... Yes, it's great for people like LouLou to be up front about getting fillers... but then... Really??

Really?

It's a slipper slope when face exercise creators start getting professional facial regeneration help... Very slippery.

As I see it they do age as do we all, so if they need a nip, tuck or fillers ect. so be it. It does not take away from potential positive effects that some find with the use of facial exercise.

What I see as the major issue is the denial or nondisclosure if you will, I think honesty would be appreciated by most and give a realistic expectation of what these programs can and cannot offer. Which will be dependent on each individual as well.

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