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Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:06 am  |
| I know you should not use topical C within 12 hours of CP, but what about a fash wash that contains C as an ingredient, would that be ok to use to cleanse the face with or would that still negate the CP? |
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Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:33 am |
Hi Rileygirl! I think you're fine using a cleanser with Vitamin C in it. A cleanser has to be on your skin for about 10 minutes to have an active really work.
Girls - set me straight if I'm wrong, I was under the impression that using Vitamin C and Copper together cancels out the Vitamin C only - not cancel each other out??? All you CP users out there, remember to take 1,000 mg. of Vitamin C internally for the benefits of improved skin elasticity. It really works! |
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Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:40 am |
That's the way I heard it too Nanci..the effects of the C are neutralized.
Sorry, I have to edit this: Just looked back on an article by Dr. Kunin (dermadoctor) and apparently, the effets of copper are neutralized  |
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Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:53 am |
| Thanks! I'm going to research it again. I have Dr. Pickart's book and I think that's where I read it. I'll report back. |
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Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:55 am |
| forgot to mention - if I can't find it in the book, I'll find out from Skinbiology. Should be the same info. that you got from your book though. Thanks! |
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Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:15 am |
| Has anyone tried neova antioxitdant serum with CP's? If so is it OK for oily skin? |
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Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:31 am |
| I tried putting my super CP serum straight without diluting it on my face. I found that when I woke up in the morning, my skin just seemed firmer. The 11 lines disappeared. I'm loving this stuff. So glad I bought it for my stretchmarks. LOL It seems my skin is pretty resistant because I was diluting the stuff and nothing happened. Also, I used the NCN Pumpkin Peel and had to leave it on for almost 15 mins to notice a slight pinkness on one cheek only. I don't know why my skin is like that. (Actually I just forgot about the peel, which was why I left it on that long.) |
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Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:55 am |
| NCN wrote: |
| Girls - set me straight if I'm wrong, I was under the impression that using Vitamin C and Copper together cancels out the Vitamin C only - not cancel each other out??? All you CP users out there, remember to take 1,000 mg. of Vitamin C internally for the benefits of improved skin elasticity. It really works! |
Just found this on the Skinbio website - but I'm still going to look it up in his book.
"Caution: Do not mix vitamin C products with copper-peptide skin regeneration creams. The copper breaks down the vitamin C." |
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Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:57 pm |
| NCN wrote: |
| Girls - set me straight if I'm wrong, I was under the impression that using Vitamin C and Copper together cancels out the Vitamin C only - not cancel each other out??? |
This has been discussed on the forum a few times and the way I understand it is that CPs break down the Vitamin C. Vitamin C (ascorbic acid or actually any acid) degrades 1st Gen. CPs but not 2nd Gen. CPs. Personally, I don't see why the 2nd Gen ones are safe to use with acids since I can't understand why the acids wouldn't effect the 2nd gen ones but most wouldn't agree with my concern here. It has something to do with acids being able to denature proteins and also with acids causing the copper to dissociate from the peptide. |
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Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:06 pm |
Sorry to have mixed up the C and CP stuff! 
But, thanks Nanci for letting me know it's ok to use a cleanser with C in it!  |
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Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:47 pm |
That was my understanding too Theresa; that Gen 1 (GHK) is highly sensitive to acids and would break down in their presence, but SURPRISE  Dr P has changed his mind and is advising people to use his new exfoliant Lacsal at the same time as his new GHK serum. 
There's a thread over on the SCB about this if anyone's interested.
http://theskincareboard.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=31454
where Deb suddenly reappears and says it *is* fine to use exfoliants with GHK as long as you wait for your face to neutralise first for half an hour and she speculates that Dr P's original advice to use acids and GHK at opposite ends of the day was Skinbio propaganda. |
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Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:47 am |
I hadn't looked at SCB in ages Molly! Is Deb posting again or was it just one post?
She actually says that Procyte gave her the information about a 30 minute wait being okay with the first gen CPs. So it sounds like it isn't just her opinion but that the information came straight from Procyte! |
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Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:27 am |
| Hm - maybe its just me, but it seems to me that Dr.P suddenly thinks more of GHK in general ever since he can sell it again |
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Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:49 am |
| TheresaL wrote: |
I hadn't looked at SCB in ages Molly! Is Deb posting again or was it just one post?
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Neither had I. I went looking for the answers to the questions in this thread. I think it was a one off. |
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Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:52 am |
| There've been a few in the month of March. |
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Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:18 am |
It has been a little over two weeks using CP's. Finally I think I am getting a routine that works for me. I purchased the CP Serum and the Protect and Restore with high Retinol. I was using the PR over the CP. I think that it is too much for my skin. No uglies or anything but my skin really did not look any better. For several days I have been alternating nights with CP Serum and PR. My skin is feeling a tad firmer. Nothing dramatic yet but I am hopeful that CP in my routine might be the ticket.
Question: I love Dr. Denese's Firming Facial Pads. They contain Glycolic Acid, CoQ10, ViT C, ALA, Amino Acid Peptides, and Vit E and A. Note: They have Vit C. I do not care if the CP's affect the Vit C. However, I do not want the C in the Firming Pads to cancel out the CP's. I hope I made sense. To date Dr. Denese's Pads are the best mild exfoliants for my mature skin. I would hate to give them up. Can I continue with them? |
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Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:32 am |
Hi Winnie, from what I got from Dr. Pickart's website - and from what I always THOUGHT, Copper Peptide cancels out Vitamin C. I have an email sent to Skinbiology about it and will report back. Someone (sorry, can't remember) wrote in and said that C cancels CP so...... we need to get to the bottom of this. I'm on it!  |
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Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:39 am |
| NCN wrote: |
| Hi Winnie, from what I got from Dr. Pickart's website - and from what I always THOUGHT, Copper Peptide cancels out Vitamin C. I have an email sent to Skinbiology about it and will report back. Someone (sorry, can't remember) wrote in and said that C cancels CP so...... we need to get to the bottom of this. I'm on it! |
I called Skinbiology. They told me that I could continue using Dr. Denese's Firming Pads if I was willing to cancel out the Vitamin C. They told me that the CP strength would not be compromised with a product containing C. I was very happy to hear this as I love what Dr. Denese Firming Pads does for my skin. I also use her SPF 30 which contains C. |
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Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:46 am |
| Winnie wrote: |
I called Skinbiology. They told me that I could continue using Dr. Denese's Firming Pads if I was willing to cancel out the Vitamin C. They told me that the CP strength would not be compromised with a product containing C. I was very happy to hear this as I love what Dr. Denese Firming Pads does for my skin. I also use her SPF 30 which contains C. |
Hi Winnie,
I used to use the Dr. D stuff and, quite honestly, loved it. Do you know WHY you have to quit using the Vitamin C when you use the Firming Pads??? I understand the C and CP thing, but what's up with the Pads?
Thanks!
Ruth |
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Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:51 am |
| My understanding has been that one can use both as long as they are not used at the same time -- for instance, C in the morning, Cu in the evening. (Am I mistaken?) |
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Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:55 am |
| alibabka wrote: |
| My understanding has been that one can use both as long as they are not used at the same time -- for instance, C in the morning, Cu in the evening. (Am I mistaken?) |
Yes, that's right. I've heard it should be about a 12 hour spread between both.I don't know if I can keep with that if it's carved in stone..it's easier to go with on or the other for me. |
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Mon Apr 16, 2007 11:58 am |
Maybe alternate days? Can CPs confer benefit if they are not used daily? I hope to start out soft so as not to risk uglies. I could handle alternating or choosing specific days of the week if it still offered benefit.
Hopefully Nanci will weigh in -- maybe Scalawaggirl, who also seems quite expert. |
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Mon Apr 16, 2007 12:04 pm |
| 4sons wrote: |
| Winnie wrote: |
I called Skinbiology. They told me that I could continue using Dr. Denese's Firming Pads if I was willing to cancel out the Vitamin C. They told me that the CP strength would not be compromised with a product containing C. I was very happy to hear this as I love what Dr. Denese Firming Pads does for my skin. I also use her SPF 30 which contains C. |
Hi Winnie,
I used to use the Dr. D stuff and, quite honestly, loved it. Do you know WHY you have to quit using the Vitamin C when you use the Firming Pads??? I understand the C and CP thing, but what's up with the Pads?
Thanks!
Ruth |
Hi Ruth,
Dr. Denese's Firming Pads have Vit. C in them. I like using them at night. A few weeks ago I starting using CP's in the evening. When beginning CP's I stopped using Dr. Denese's Pads as I was under the impression I could not use them at the same time as CP's because of the C. I am happy to know that other than the CP's cancelling out the benefits of C in the pads I can still use them.
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alibabka wrote:
My understanding has been that one can use both as long as they are not used at the same time -- for instance, C in the morning, Cu in the evening. (Am I mistaken?) |
akubabja,
I did understand I could use C if I alternated it. However, I want to use it at the same time as my CP's(my exfoliating pads). I am willing to just cancel the affects of the C in the pads. Nice to know that C does not hurt the CP's (according to Skinbiology). |
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Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:12 pm |
| Winnie wrote: |
| NCN wrote: |
| Hi Winnie, from what I got from Dr. Pickart's website - and from what I always THOUGHT, Copper Peptide cancels out Vitamin C. I have an email sent to Skinbiology about it and will report back. Someone (sorry, can't remember) wrote in and said that C cancels CP so...... we need to get to the bottom of this. I'm on it! |
I called Skinbiology. They told me that I could continue using Dr. Denese's Firming Pads if I was willing to cancel out the Vitamin C. They told me that the CP strength would not be compromised with a product containing C. I was very happy to hear this as I love what Dr. Denese Firming Pads does for my skin. I also use her SPF 30 which contains C. |
Winnie - thank you SO much!!! You're the best!  |
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Mon Apr 16, 2007 2:20 pm |
[quote="Winnie"]
Dr. Denese's Firming Pads have Vit. C in them. I like using them at night. A few weeks ago I starting using CP's in the evening. When beginning CP's I stopped using Dr. Denese's Pads as I was under the impression I could not use them at the same time as CP's because of the C. I am happy to know that other than the CP's cancelling out the benefits of C in the pads I can still use them.
Ahhhhhh ... I didn't realize they had "C" in them! |
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