Tanaka Facial Massage (bone, muscle & lymph drainage)
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free skin care · Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:35 am

Jackie284 wrote:

llina wrote:

even the tanaka and bone massage. i'm having these burn onto a few DVD's so that i can do them now, and in the future. this way, i will always have them. and perhaps a few copies for mom and my girlfriends. Very Happy

Hi llina,

I was trying to download one of these videos to burn to disc, but it wouldn't let me download it. Do you have any tips on how to do this ?

thanks

Jackie xx

hi jackie.

i'm getting a friend to do this, since i'm a real hi tech dumby. yes, i still have a vcr. and yes i have problems faxing. Very Happy

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don't laugh too loud, everyone will hear you!
Laughing

my friend is back logged but as soon as it is done, i'll post the info (how to do it) on this thread and the jap. bone massage. promise! Very Happy

free skin care · Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:30 am

thanks llina,

that would be great! much appreciated x

(a little O/T) but I noticed you mention that you also use the Tua Viso for the forehead area - do you use it for the rest of your face ? The reason I ask is that I ordered one but i'm frightened to use it in case it causes gauntness, which I've had from similar devices in the past.
I don't want to lose any build I have in the cheeks, but I've only got a month or so before I can return it,

Jackie xx

free skin care · Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:11 pm

Thanks so much semolinapilchard and JLM for your feedback re the sinuses. It must be unrelated, or at least actually helping me along at the moment. Smile

free skin care · Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:21 pm

moonstone wrote:

Happy new year, everyone!

After doing 2 months+ of Tanaka's massage together with a non-resistance program called "Faceworks". My face looks much better than previously when I was doing resistance program alone. My face is much softer and feminine while the tight, bulky and "surprised" look is totally gone!!! The hollow cheeks as a result of the resistance program have been improved by 70- 80%. The harsh lines around my mouth as well as the n/l folds start to soften out. During a X'mas party, my friend, who thought that I started to look like an actress with a bad facelift surgery in Sept, told me that now I look normal and pretty again. It was such a HUGE relief!

I'm more than pleased with the results from Tanaka's massage and can't thank Critic enough for generously sharing and recommending the massage technique with us. This is truly one of the best things I find here at the EDS forum. (and it doesn't cost me a cent!!!) Hope more members will benefit from this fabulous massage technique in the coming new year!!!

As I've been doing a few facial programs for more than a year ( Flexeffect, Ageless, Faceworks and Tanaka) , it is very excited to finally find something that works so well for me and reverse side effects from resistance program within a short period of time. For any end-users who're interested to see my progress photos, please PM me with your email address and I will gladly send you some of my photos!!! Laughing

Moonstone,
Congratulations on your discovery. I think what you have found is that we are all different and have different shaped faces as well as ideals for what we want to achieve with our face. There are some programs that are better suited for some face shapes and some programs better suited for others. Also one can take a program and tweak it with the help of trainers or with enough savvy for a do it yourself approach. Which ever program or combination of programs one chooses I think the Tanaka massage is a wonderful compliment ...or possibly perfect alone depending on the issues with the face. It seems that we need to get in touch with the needs of our face and watch what happens as we progress with a program. You have been persistent in finding out what works for you and that is the key. I am finding out the best plan but it seems you moved faster than me in figuring out the correct game plan. Thanks for sharing, and again congratulations on great observations, determination, and success. Your postings and pictures have been extremely helpful and you are lovely.

free skin care · Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:39 pm

Jackie284 wrote:

thanks llina,

that would be great! much appreciated x

(a little O/T) but I noticed you mention that you also use the Tua Viso for the forehead area - do you use it for the rest of your face ? The reason I ask is that I ordered one but i'm frightened to use it in case it causes gauntness, which I've had from similar devices in the past.
I don't want to lose any build I have in the cheeks, but I've only got a month or so before I can return it,

Jackie xx

hey jackie,

i'm going to try to answer your ? but if i sound a little incoherent just ask me more specific questions. at times i can be a big mouth and talk tangentally, and then just skew off to somewhere else. also, i just finished work, tired and my eyeballs are burning fire!

the TV and TT are good. i got both of them, different styles, because i like to use electric muscle stimulators and find them effect. fast and effect for my needs.

i have different styles of electric muscle stimulators just for the sole reason that each different style is good for a certain area (easier access). TV is good for fairly flat surfaces; TT is good for underneath areas (chin); Nuface i good for rounded surfaces, crevices and overall good for all areas; Dr Ho is good for larger areas, it has strong and reliable/stable power, and you can lie down and take a nap.

all handhelds (i have many more than is listed here or on my signature) you have to sit up or lay down on your side with pillow propped up. i get tired and i'm not crazy about sitting up for a beauty session. all wired with pad units (i have many but prefer the dr. ho's because it is a superior unit) you can be mobile and do stuff around the house, or can lay down. it is recommended that you lay down and relaxed to really benefit.

i have never used the units to build my face to the point of achieving guantness. i have heard that you can build the face but it seemed extreme to me. my whole focus was to massage the muscle, whether it be on your face or your body. i consulted accupunturists, massage therapises, and blab blab... and i'm sure they could explain it more eloquently. i will try to explainit...

i'm trying to massage my face (skin, muscles, tendons, everything) to circulate the blood, for oxgenating, and letting the body do what it does naturally... and that is to drain, detox, replenish, and repair. once it is massaged it comes into a more natural healthy condition... it will be soft but firm. as we become adults, more serious and responsible, we become more controlled, rigid, stationary life... tension, so much tension that we get chronic headaches, blab i know i'm not explaining this properly but i hope you get the gist. e.g. olympic altheletes, their bodies are bulging with beautiful healthy muscles, very firm but soft. why soft because the optimum is to have strong big muscles, but their muscles are continually massaged, hours of stretching and flexiblity which promotes blood flow, repair, nurishment, etc.-- thus soft.

sorry i sound like nuts. but this is not my field. i understand that main idea and so... use the machines to get things flowing and perhaps to help muscles readjust back into their natural position.

i love all my electrical gadgets, and i have even more massagers. i really love them and believe they are an investment. i don't have a strict regime since life is unpredictable ... but ideally i would use them more. i have noticed since i joined EDS all my health and beauty regime is gone. i'm too busy learning so much.

wow i talk alot. Surprised

but that is why i love the tanaka and bone massage. though i have alot of experience with the electric stimulator (btw, you should not use the electrical stimulators tooo much. with all things, you have to read your body, give it a chance to repair, and can't do to much because it will be the opposite of beneficial)... like i was saying... the hand massages from tanaka and such give benefits that the electric macines cannot. i'm still thinking about how this is... and how to explain it but for now i can't... i just know. i know for myself.

god, i sound like a retard. anyways, ihope this helps you. as i said, i'm not a pro, i'm just speaking from my own experience. sorry, i'm really tired...

free skin care · Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:33 pm

I saw Moonstone photo, she looks very beautiful after doing 2 months Tanaka massage and Facework. The shape of her face has slimmer and softened, and she no longer have the bulky and high cheeks that we Chinese are trying to avoid! Picture 4 looks at least 10 years younger than Pic 2.

Moonstone, can you clarify if Pic 2 is taken after Ageless or FE?

free skin care · Mon Jan 04, 2010 6:37 pm

neondaze wrote:

critic wrote:

You think there is a big difference comparing April to June? I took some photo during X'mas with my team, my face looks fat and tired again on that day, maybe I was tired.... Anyway, took another one with my daughter on New Year, except wrinkles around my eyes, I was looking very OK that day.

Yup big difference between April and June. I seriously doubt your face looked fat on Christmas day.
And eye wrinkles... you...? Err, no. Wink

llina, I'm a permanent frowner too. Trying to retrain myself - impossible.
What are Dr Ho pads? Same as Frownies?

Re April to June, the pic I took is in early April on my son's birthday, probably have not started Tanaka massage, so ugly with a big face and double-chin.

free skin care · Mon Jan 04, 2010 7:53 pm

Reminder:

Have you noticed if your mouth is opened or closed during the massage? (I'm opened for most of the time).

The book said we should close the mouth, and better bite the front teeth.

free skin care · Mon Jan 04, 2010 8:57 pm

critic wrote:

Reminder:

Have you noticed if your mouth is opened or closed during the massage? (I'm opened for most of the time).

The book said we should close the mouth, and better bite the front teeth.

i never noticed my mouth open. i think it is closed.
thanks for the tip! you're the best!

free skin care · Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:24 pm

critic wrote:

I saw Moonstone photo, she looks very beautiful after doing 2 months Tanaka massage and Facework. The shape of her face has slimmer and softened, and she no longer have the bulky and high cheeks that we Chinese are trying to avoid! Picture 4 looks at least 10 years younger than Pic 2.

Moonstone, can you clarify if Pic 2 is taken after Ageless or FE?

Critic, I'm really flattered by your compliment. Sorry that I forget to caption the pictures in the email. Pic 2 was taken after doing FlexEffect for 2-3 months (Dec 2008) , Pic 3 was taken after doing Ageless for 9 months (Sept 2008) and Pic 4 was taken just before this X'mas after doing Tanaka and Faceworks for 2 months.

You can check out another pic I've just attached at the link I sent to you which shows a pic of me 7 years ago when I was in my early 30's. I had a rather full and soft face at that time with no apparent signs of aging. I will more than ecstatic if Tanaka's massage can make my face look this way again... Laughing

free skin care · Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:03 pm

Toby wrote:

Moonstone,
Congratulations on your discovery. I think what you have found is that we are all different and have different shaped faces as well as ideals for what we want to achieve with our face. There are some programs that are better suited for some face shapes and some programs better suited for others. Also one can take a program and tweak it with the help of trainers or with enough savvy for a do it yourself approach. Which ever program or combination of programs one chooses I think the Tanaka massage is a wonderful compliment ...or possibly perfect alone depending on the issues with the face. It seems that we need to get in touch with the needs of our face and watch what happens as we progress with a program. You have been persistent in finding out what works for you and that is the key. I am finding out the best plan but it seems you moved faster than me in figuring out the correct game plan. Thanks for sharing, and again congratulations on great observations, determination, and success. Your postings and pictures have been extremely helpful and you are lovely.

Hi Toby, thanks a lot for your compliment. It's interesting to learn how one's face can respond so differently with different programs. I'm so glad that you found out what work best for you and your wonderful sharings and experience at EDS forum has definitely help others to determine what they need to look better and younger. I guess it is very lucky for me to figure out something that works quite nicely for me. Can't agree more with you that Tanaka's massage is an amazing program! I'm a bit surprised that the combination of Tanaka and Faceworks can produce such a significant improvement for me over a short period of time. Will stick to this new routine for a while and let you all know there will be more positive changes this year... Very Happy

free skin care · Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:26 pm

critic,
i saw your pictures and i'm amazed! you've been doing it for awhile and i really don't know how i'm going to catch up.
you look unbelievably young and have the most radiant skin. thank you for sharing with us!
* i think i need to do this everyday, over drive!*

free skin care · Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:19 am

critic wrote:

Re April to June, the pic I took is in early April on my son's birthday, probably have not started Tanaka massage, so ugly with a big face and double-chin.

Hehe, you didn't look ugly before starting Tanaka. But I have to say that you look incredible young while those double-chin is gone. Wow, and you look gorgeous at the team photo taken in this X'mas. Critic you are truly an inspiration to lots of us!!!

I'm sure massage and resistance exercises can both slim down the face a bit for certain people , but the end results could look dramatically different. I notice that Tanaka's massage slims down the face in a lovely way which makes critic's face more of a oval shape. It makes her face look very soft and feminine. However, from my own experience, resistance exercises tend to thin out the middle part of my cheeks which give me a gaunt and skeletal look, which is exactly what it takes to make one's face look aging!

free skin care · Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:22 am

Thats actually very true, I don't see any before/after of asians on any of the websites, so it does make me wonder if resistance exercises are not for them, I mean its a fair point in my mind.

Moonstone, what was the advice given to you on Ageless and FE abut the mid face - did they think it was permanently damaged, or a kind of step along the way?

I have to say with Critic's shots, she is not trying to sell the program (she doesn't make any profits), but it did look to me like she had major weightloss as you say the double chin was a give away. I know she said she was doing TCM and maybe thats the reason she lost the double chin, but nearly all the stuff I've read says you can't rid yourself of a double chin without losing weight or changing your head posture - so that for me was the giveway. Also the first two photos had her in casual setting, obviously with friends or something whereas the last two were posed (as you say with the team etc). Sorry but have to be honest about it!

moonstone wrote:

Hehe, you didn't look ugly before starting Tanaka. But I have to say that you look incredible young while those double-chin is gone. Wow, and you look gorgeous at the team photo taken in this X'mas. Critic you are truly an inspiration to lots of us!!!

I'm sure massage and resistance exercises can both slim down the face a bit for certain people , but the end results could look dramatically different. I notice that Tanaka's massage slims down the face in a lovely way which makes critic's face more of a oval shape. It makes her face look very soft and feminine. However, from my own experience, resistance exercises tend to thin out the middle part of my cheeks which give me a gaunt and skeletal look, which is exactly what it takes to make one's face look aging!

free skin care · Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:45 am

I just want to add, as seanysean pointed out to me, that diet could be a factor in experiencing facial gauntness while doing facial resistance exercises like FE & Ageless. I have been doing both for about 4 months, and over the holidays, my relatives thought I had lost a lot of weight & that my face looked very gaunt!! Of course, this is not the look I am going for.

My mid-face to jaw had indeed thinned out a lot since beginning these programs. Sean suggested that I keep a food journal, and it was obvious that I was not getting enough carbs, protein, fats, or calories! (I had incorporated green smoothies & soups into my diet, and found that these were displacing other foods with these nutrients.)

After adding in some healthy foods, my facial gauntness reversed itself after only 3 days, and I am now seeing a nice build in my lower cheek area. I'm shocked by how quickly things turned around! I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me, but my husband confirmed it as well, though he is also a bit unbelieving!

I just wanted to post my experience as an option for those who would like to consider doing facial resistance programs like FE and Ageless, yet are afraid that they might experience gauntness. Diet, at least for me, seems to be the primary factor as to whether facial gauntness is experienced while doing facial resistance exercises. I will be monitoring the situation, and hoping that my rear does not get any fuller as well!

free skin care · Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:01 am

thanks llina for your reply,

what you said makes very good sense, I know exactly what you mean about the different contours of the face and using an appropriate device for that.

I might give the TV a bit more time, but on a really low setting,

thanks again

Jackie xx

free skin care · Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:03 am

LOL you know diet is fundamental to everything, even massage alone. When I have done massage courses in the past, originally diet wasn't on that many syllabuses, but nowadays its on every one going.

With deep tissue massage, particularly Swedish, where you massage the face, they are very good in teaching you that diet is fundamental to your clients successes. So even with something like Tanaka which positively impacts the lymphatic, I would suggest people look to really keeping both hydrated and nourished as well as they possibly can.

Anti aging has started to really look at diets, but we have a long way yet to go to really build up the proof and facts about what it can achieve, but its reassuring to know that when you start doing something right, your body lets you know both in physical results but also that you notice your general mood and energy levels also rise as a result!

free skin care · Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:01 am

TheresaMary wrote:

I have to say with Critic's shots, she is not trying to sell the program (she doesn't make any profits), but it did look to me like she had major weightloss as you say the double chin was a give away. I know she said she was doing TCM and maybe thats the reason she lost the double chin, but nearly all the stuff I've read says you can't rid yourself of a double chin without losing weight or changing your head posture - so that for me was the giveway. Also the first two photos had her in casual setting, obviously with friends or something whereas the last two were posed (as you say with the team etc). Sorry but have to be honest about it!

Well, as we age, the facial contour will lose its definition when lymph flow slows down at the ears and the neck. And the sluggish lymph nodes in the neck area can cause toxin buildup that results in swelling/double chin. Lymphatic massage will effectively release the build-up waste and get rid of the double chin which was a result of toxin buildup. This is the reason why Critic noticed the reduction at the double chin area.

Actually, from what I've read at a chinese forum, lots of end users notice that the double chin as well as the n/l folds have been significantly reduced after doing Tanaka's massage for a few months. So it is not unusual for one to lessen the double chin without any weight loss. I do believe that the wonderful change in Critic's face shape is mainly a result of Tanaka's massage, while her diet gives her a perfect complexion and glowy skin, as well as her beautiful hair!

free skin care · Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:43 am

Its an interesting theory for sure. Do you think that the lymph slows down in those places just for asians or everyone? I mean would you think that the lymph might challenge people different say perhaps on the neck for Americans, say and the Neck and Ears for Asians?

I find it interesting that you say that a lot of people on the chinese forum report similiar. Do you think they all have sluggish lymph systems? I thought lymphatic massage could help everyone, but it sounds like your saying it can spot reduce on people depending on where they from which is an interesting thought and I think there might be something to it.

I think Critics facial shape is nice and toned for sure, but I don't think the photos display that great a difference as some are photos she has dressed up for (such as those with her team) and others are where she has been casually dressed. It would have been nicer to see photos that were uniformly done so we could see the exact changes she had gone through (and I believe she has gone through some major ones). Of course, the only reason I say this is because as she herself said when she was looking at facial exercise programs, the photos were very much like her own. I'm not saying anything by that, and its not a criticism of Critic, just pointing out the fact that the photo quality and preparation for each one is vastly different (and she said similar looking at facial exercise websites so I don't think there is any harm in mentioning it).

Do you think diet has anything to do with the guantness like they are saying on that other thread? I'm guessing you have had a healthy diet, and I know Critic started her TCM stuff and so am wondering if its actually a factor or are they just fooling themselves?

moonstone wrote:

TheresaMary wrote:

I have to say with Critic's shots, she is not trying to sell the program (she doesn't make any profits), but it did look to me like she had major weightloss as you say the double chin was a give away. I know she said she was doing TCM and maybe thats the reason she lost the double chin, but nearly all the stuff I've read says you can't rid yourself of a double chin without losing weight or changing your head posture - so that for me was the giveway. Also the first two photos had her in casual setting, obviously with friends or something whereas the last two were posed (as you say with the team etc). Sorry but have to be honest about it!

Well, as we age, the facial contour will lose its definition when lymph flow slows down at the ears and the neck. And the sluggish lymph nodes in the neck area can cause toxin buildup that results in swelling/double chin. Lymphatic massage will effectively release the build-up waste and get rid of the double chin which was a result of toxin buildup. This is the reason why Critic noticed the reduction at the double chin area.

Actually, from what I've read at a chinese forum, lots of end users notice that the double chin as well as the n/l folds have been significantly reduced after doing Tanaka's massage for a few months. So it is not unusual for one to lessen the double chin without any weight loss. I do believe that the wonderful change in Critic's face shape is mainly a result of Tanaka's massage, while her diet gives her a perfect complexion and glowy skin, as well as her beautiful hair!

free skin care · Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:22 am

Jackie284 wrote:

thanks llina for your reply,

what you said makes very good sense, I know exactly what you mean about the different contours of the face and using an appropriate device for that.

I might give the TV a bit more time, but on a really low setting,

thanks again

Jackie xx

sorry, yes that's another draw back of the hand helds. you can only do one side at a time. the TT and TV, i have one of each. the nuface and NuSkin galvanic, i have two of each.

if you have a girlfriend that is another skincare feak, try to test out her nuface... or a unit similar to dr. ho's.
i find working with the nuface easier and much stronger setting than the TT TV.
also units similar to dr. ho's are multifunctional... can be used on the body... leg, thighs, shoulders, etc.
HTH

free skin care · Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:17 am

Theresa...I have not seen Critics pics but I have been doing the massage as well and everyone is asking me what am I doing ? According to my co-workers I look amazing .. Smile

I didnt change anything in my diet no wt loss actually more sleepless nights as I just had a baby who is 2 months old now ...so You can imagine the stress and fatigue...but with this massage I look refreshed and face looks toned and skin is very smooth .I never had clear skin no matter what I did...and all of a sudden its luminous....I know your experience is not good with it but may be give it another chance and do just the massage and do it gently....I watched the videos many times and it didnt seem to me that the model was exerting too much pressure( to point of extreme pain?)just enough to bring more blood to the skin along with lymphatic drainage....I am not chinese in Origin as I am from India so I am an Asian too ....and I eat everything from junk foods to healthy ones (and I keep complaining abt my weight ..hahhaha)Maybe its not for you at all or may be you can try it gently first and then see how your face responds to it....just my 2 cents...
Critic brought this wonderful program to us I think we all are getting so many benefits out of it .I want to thank her one more time for that....
Moonstone you look Fab....thank you again for sharing your pics...

free skin care · Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:11 am

I am not Asian for sure. Pure Croatian with Croatian roots Razz

43 years old one.
Tanaka massage works for me perfectly. I started to see improvements almost after two or three massages.
So I am the living proof that this massage is not recommended only for Asian girls. Smile

free skin care · Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:17 am

I had good results with Tanaka, but it was when I heard that the Bone was better and that it was the same as Tanaka only more pressure that I got disasterous ones. I think your right though - non-Asians should stick with Tanaka.

Not anyone's fault particularly but I was under the impression the person giving me the instructions was an English speaker, and then found out that she had used a translator and I'm guessing thats where the problem lay!

As soon as my skin and ligament is healed, I'm going back to Tanaka.

*mirjana* wrote:

I am not Asian for sure. Pure Croatian with Croatian roots Razz

43 years old one.
Tanaka massage works for me perfectly. I started to see improvements almost after two or three massages.
So I am the living proof that this massage is not recommended only for Asian girls. Smile

free skin care · Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:25 am

I just wanted to mention that to my total shock and surprise I developed several huge pimples on the sides of my neck (on both - 1st on the left and later on the right), exactly where the hands go down during the massage (and I never had or have pimples in the neck area).

They are slowly dissipating and healing. Since apparently several others had a similar issue it would seem to indicate that there is some serious detoxing happening along lymph lines.

Very curious.

free skin care · Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:23 pm

TheresaMary wrote:

I had good results with Tanaka, but it was when I heard that the Bone was better and that it was the same as Tanaka only more pressure that I got disasterous ones. I think your right though - non-Asians should stick with Tanaka.

Not anyone's fault particularly but I was under the impression the person giving me the instructions was an English speaker, and then found out that she had used a translator and I'm guessing thats where the problem lay!

As soon as my skin and ligament is healed, I'm going back to Tanaka.

*mirjana* wrote:

I am not Asian for sure. Pure Croatian with Croatian roots Razz

43 years old one.
Tanaka massage works for me perfectly. I started to see improvements almost after two or three massages.
So I am the living proof that this massage is not recommended only for Asian girls. Smile

Hi Theresa,

Not to jump in on mirjana's behalf, but given what she wrote, I don't think she meant that non-Asians should stick with the Tanaka massage. I'm sure that everyone could benefit from both types of massage. However, it seems that the objectives of the two massage techniques are different: bone massage seems to be more specific for face sculpting, while the Tanaka massage seems to be geared toward promoting lymph circulation, though it does incorporate elements of bone massage.

Although the original bone massage thread is a bit confusing, I am not quite sure where you came under the impression that bone massage is the *same* as the Tanaka massage, but to exert more pressure? It seems that the links demonstrating the bone massage do not depict Ms. Tanaka at all, but show a set of 4 different exercises? In any case, I am glad that you are almost recovered from your injury & hope that the Tanaka massage works well for you.

My feeling is that because race and ethnicity are social constructions, the physical outcomes that one might achieve (say for the Tanaka massage), regardless of race, will be essentially the same. Just my 2 cents.

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