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free skin care · Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:16 pm

sigma wrote:

Would it be possible for all the wonderful ladies who are willing to spend countless hours and effort to enlighten the rest of us to the advantages and disadvantages of ASG to create a separate ASG thread and move all ASG pertaining discussions there?

This thread is NOT dedicated to ASG.

I agree with you, 100%.. lets see if the ASG lovers could do that... They want to discuss ASG, they should make a separate thread n we all go there...OR..i think there r only 3 or 4 ladies loving ASG, may be they do all of us a favor by just exchange PMs re their ASG experiences ..

free skin care · Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:28 pm

Sigma, this is the opening line of this thread:
-Energy based skincare is an extremely controversial subject right now. I, for one have recently started using the Pico Toner and ASG at the same time and it has transformed my skin in less than a month.-
So, ASG is an energy based product, presumably, this is exactly the question in debate.

It is not exactly clear how this energy is generated and then transferred to the skin, we all are very keen to find that out.

Light

free skin care · Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:55 pm

I am leery after my last experience buying from a company mentioned here. They would not honor their guarantee and when I filed a claim with my bank, they threatened me. Yes, you read that right.

I am very leery when buying from companies mentioned here, specifically on the forum.

BFG

free skin care · Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:06 pm

Angela,

I see your point completely. Companies that know their products to be effective (most of the time) will sell them through legitimate mainstream channels like Amazon - not hawk them through secret reps and the back pages of Cosmopolitan magazine.

BFG

free skin care · Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:08 pm

Annie,

i'm sorry about your experience in getting a refund from ASG....and i am sorry to hear that Jim didn't honor your request...however i would need to know more about the specific circumstances..and also other's eperiences with getting a refund from the company before drawing a blanket conclusion about it.

meanwhile i will certainly refrain from mentioning the money back guarantee to anyone else.

free skin care · Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:11 pm

jasminerosey - how would having more details about getting refunds help you with your conclusions?

BFG

free skin care · Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:17 pm

JR,
with customer service even one unhappy customer is too much. Or do you think that the customer is wrong?
Light

free skin care · Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:47 pm

Sigma (and others who have an interest)

i really keep it pretty simple with my skincare regime..so in a way i have nothing spectacular to report (accept i have some interesting phenomena happening with using my 'regime' with the pico.)

and in addition..i am still trying to re-adjust my regime from what was effective for me in the hot indian sun..to what i need now ..in the heart of the cold windy outdoor weather (and dry inddor weather from artificial heat although we do use much humidifiers)

so in india i was using for the past year stablized oxygen(dynamo is the brand i use) or 3% food grade H202 solution (warning: using a higher % of H2O2 on one's skin is dangerous) on my face daily and having really good results via very smooth skin, etc.... BUT here i find it too drying to use it daily.

i've posted elsewhere that i like to use products that can 'multi-task'...hence using dynamo vitamin'o' on my skin for smoothness, drinking it in my h20 for purification and oxygenation (i know others believe this isn't possible and will put this down and show all kinds of 'proof this isn't so...but there is, at least, equal proof that it is so...i agree with Sigma that it's up to all who are interested to do their own research) and using it to disinfect my veggies in india

so ..also muti-tasking... i use my energized angstrom minerls (these come in single bottles and are liquids)...as a base for my moisturizers..especially copper and sulphur which according to my research are 'beauty' minerals..it's the closest thing that i have experienced to ASG ...i am using Mother Earth minerals which work exceptionally well for me internally as well. (doesn't mean they will be good for anyone else,)

over that i just use plain oils..right now i'm using a combo of rosehip and unrefined primrose oil with ant-aging EO's that i ad myself...and then over that i use shea butter or 10,000X washed ghee which i found about on EDS and like very much.

and i'm planning on ordering ASG again to experiment with i..i haven't used it for several years..although of course i liked it much at the time, since i introuced it to this forum..because of monetary concerns.

i'm going to post this thread and then post another dealing with my experience using ths protocol (the dynamno and copper & sulphur minerals with the pico..since this post is getting too long.

free skin care · Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:51 pm

It is simply amazing.

The thread is called

Quote:

Energy Based Skincare

.

Please, point where in these 3 words do you see the word "ASG"?

If you can not - please, stop useless musings.

We know that there are many dubious products and sellers. For example, NOTHING I bought based on "Truth in Aging" recommendations worked for me; so I wasted quite a bit of money and time and effort (no money return guarantee either); but it does not mean that I have to shout on every corner about it or claim that the proprietor is wrong or dishonest. It probably worked for someone. I simply can not know, but I can and did learn that I no longer read or buy from them (and yes, some (very few) of their so called scientific postings were pointed to be incorrect by people with advanced degrees in Chemistry).

Everyone's position on ASG product is crystal clear, so CAN WE, PLEASE, MOVE ON TO OTHER PRODUCTS/Technologies, PLEASE!!!

free skin care · Mon Jan 27, 2014 3:18 pm

sigma wrote:

It is simply amazing.

The tread is called

Quote:

Energy Based Skincare

.

Please, point where in these 3 words do you see the word "ASG"?

If you can not - please, stop useless musings.

That's just plain silly. I don't see the words "Pico Toner" or "H202" or any other product name clearly spelled out in that title, either. Which, according to your reasoning, means you can't discuss those things here. Riiiiiiight. Rolling Eyes

However, I'm totally fine with everyone "moving on" from ASG as we are all pretty well aware of who believes in it and who doesn't. That would clear the thread up for discussions of other "energy" type products. Smile

free skin care · Mon Jan 27, 2014 3:26 pm

AngelaE8654 wrote:

However, I'm totally fine with everyone "moving on" from ASG as we are pretty well aware of who believes in it and who doesn't. That would clear the thread up for discussions of other "energy based" type products. Smile

yes, that would be nice...

free skin care · Mon Jan 27, 2014 3:31 pm

Whoops..i'm not proofing my posts..since i really have little time..and am also concerned about 'losing' the post...

so i realize what i was saying about ASG and monetary concerns might not be clear.

what i meant was that ASG is more expensive that what i desire to spend right now on a reular basis for skincare..although i very much loved it when i was using it a few years ago.

Anyway...i only have 5 posts daily..so i will include my pico results in this post

MY PICO RESULTS USING STABILIZED OXYGEN AND ENERGIZED ANGSTROM MINERALS AS 'CONDUCTORS' DURING TREATMENT

Sigma (and others interested) here is my experience using atabilized oxygen (i use dynamo brand) and angstrom minerals Copper and Sulphur with the pico..

i have pros, cons, and 'unclears'

PROS
are very very positive....but an 'unclear' is that i am also doing a form of myofascial facial gua sha that also 'energizes' my skin.

i have a 'sun' spot on my left side of my face right on the jaw line...doing the gua sha for several months before using the pico has caused that mark to rise a little upwards on my jowl area...

but using my energized skincare protocol caused it... within a few days..literally..to rise almose 1/2 inch more....and i could see/feel the effect all over my face..except for my eye area.

i believe these enegizing products def helped in amazingly lifting my face when used with the pico..

and the reults lasted ans accululated for the few days i used it

but again how much can i attribute to my face being 'primed' by the gua sha i can not say

CONS...
my face is very sensitive especially to 'textures' that are rough..so i easily can use my hands or a product like the vacu-lifter, quite intensely without irritating my skin...but somethng like an exfoliating cloth, or a skin brush..even used very very gently will irritate my skin .

so i noticed after a few days..althoug my skin was lifted (proved to my satisfaction by the spot lifting so much) my cheeks started to become quite tender and very red,..also the area around my mouth...the only areas that didn't become red were my neck and the side portions of my face.

so i decided to stop everything for a week to allow my face to heal...thinking possibly that the products i used might have added to the irritation..although i didn't believe so.

i saw no decline in the lift till 24 hours later (when i would have already used the pico again if my face wasn't so irritated)...and then gradually during the next day i saw the spot travelling further and further downward again..so sad!

after a week i used the pico again..same settings P1 at 20..and used only H20 nothing else..

UNCLEARS
now the 'unclear' is that i had not performed the gua sha facial for one week either..cause it would have irritated my skin further to have done so...

ZERO LIFT WITH ONLY H2O ...i got almost zero lift on my face using only h20 (and stopping all gua sha, face exercise, acupressure and other procedures i do to tone/energize my skin.)

anyway i am still experimenting....if i do all those manual procedures..gua sha, etal..and use h2o will i get more lift... if i stop all procedures and use the dynamo and liquid minerals will i get as much lift as with the gua sha and other manual procedures..this is still unknown to me.

free skin care · Mon Jan 27, 2014 3:33 pm

Just to clarify, here is what Tonia specified in the first post. However, I believe that discussing ASG any further is like beating a dead horse. Smile

Tonia wrote:

Energy based skincare includes any method or combination of methods that that uses energy for skincare purposes. This includes micro-current, ASG, Osmosis water, Ultrasonic, galvanic, Tua Trend, Magnetic Water, and ionized water, just to name a few.

free skin care · Mon Jan 27, 2014 3:40 pm

Let's try to clarify, since apparently it is not yet clearly understood -
- this thread is NOT DEDICATED to ASG, but about many things related to energy skincare. ASG is one of them (a subset), but there are others products and technologies (a superset or a large set of other items), so this thread is NOT dedicated to ASG.

So, please, all the vitriol directed to ASG, it's proponents and opponents should be done in a separate thread to save our time.

Thank you so much in advance for your kind understanding!

Mon Jan 27, 2014 3:42 pm

Hi All, Please familiarize yourself with intended purpose of this thread:

Tonia wrote:

I do understand both sides. Those that don't like it are concerned that people will be misinformed, and simply want to make sure everyone understands the science (or lack thereof). The ones who don't like it believe it is all 100% quackery. To those, I say, you now have your own thread to post all of your opinions. Those who do like it, don't care as much about the science and only care about the results. To those people, myself included, you now have your own thread to post results and tips to others who also like it without fear of feeling attacked. I will include a link to the other thread on both, to make sure anyone reading it can easily access both sides of the topic.

Energy based skincare includes any method or combination of methods that that uses energy for skincare purposes. This includes micro-current, ASG, Osmosis water, Ultrasonic, galvanic, Tua Trend, Magnetic Water, and ionized water, just to name a few.

Those who don't like energy-based products and/or believe them to be quackery, please move your discussion to this thread:

Energy Based Skincare – why I don't like it
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?p=6522237#6522237

To those who like energy-based skincare, concepts and products, don't care as much about the science and only care about the results, please continue posting here.

I would suggest that all members please take the time to re-read the forum guidelines, particularly the sections on Personal Attacks, Civility and Respect, Behaviour, Personal Disputes and Reporting Objectionable Posts.

Please do not respond to the moderation itself.

Thank you.

free skin care · Mon Jan 27, 2014 3:44 pm

Sigma,
actually i also use ormus skincare products on my face..but i can't possibly spend the time right now to go into all that (and if there is so much tumult over ASG i can imagine ..and have already experienced.. some of the intense misunderstandings and 'commotion' about ormus)

i will post more in a few days.

free skin care · Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:02 pm

Bethany,

thank you so much.
I could not agree with you more and could not have put it better.

JR,

- could you, please, post or PM a link to info about gua sha? I remember reading about you using it and resolving under chin muscle spasms/ "tightness"? I noticed that doing massage with Vacuum Facial Cups (glass combo ones) does that for me under the chin and also above eye brows (while it's origin is also based in Chinese Medicine there is a research work and technique done by a Lithuanian anti-aging specialist with these massage cups). But it is time consuming and messy; plus it is always nice to know other possibilities.

- Regarding Pico:
do I understand correctly that you use oxygen product (dynamo), letting it dry and then applying mineral products combined (copper and sulphur) and then using Pico gloves(or Probes)?

- I would also love to know what you are using in terms of skincare - again, whenever you can (here or via PMs). I currently love and use Living Libations products, but am always looking to improve.

My most aging areas are eye bags, under chin/front of the neck areas; so any help and advice will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you again!

free skin care · Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:58 pm

light123 wrote:

Being fully aware that I will be viciosly attacked for my next comment, I still need to make it.

Aprile, your comments about cancer sound like you consider it as one disease. Your comments give the impression that information you posses about various available therapies that is at least two decades old. A little update on latest advancements in various cancer therapies may do good.

Please, no need to get upset or offended on comments claiming lack of science in most of the explanations posted here, simply because the science isn't there.

Okay Light ~ this is the last time I will post on the topic of cancer on this thread. But,I feel compelled to respond. I want to mention that I do agree that cancer may not be one disease. In fact, there are new theories regarding the possible *cause* of certain cancers. One newer theory is that cancer is a fungus. Considering that many Americans eat high grain based diets and those grains can harbor micotoxins, that seems a very plausible theory. The Indian doctor I spoke with was actually referring to the area where I live and he practices - Long Island, NY. I couldn't agree with him more because this area hasn't even recognized Naturopathic doctors who DO HAVE licenses to practice medicine. In order for a field to grow and thrive, you cannot just apply a one size fits all approach. It doesn't work. But that is what Long Island is all about.

After seeing the Burzinksi documentary, it was blatantly clear that alopathic medicine had failed the police officers 7-year old daughter. Despite their knowledge of her particular type of cancer - they gave her intense radiation treatments to her skull, and poisoned her little body with the worst of the worst chemotherapy drugs. Yet after receiving Burzinski's treatments, she became cancer, only to die from all of the radiation frying her brain cells. So yeah... a healthy dose of common decency and humanity could have prevented this terrible tragedy. That's what I call medical malpractice AND worse - man's inhumanity against man. I am well aware there are many new advances in modern alopathic medicine. They are now talking about stem cell therapy one day replacing chemotherapy and radiation at the top cancer hospital in NY - Sloan Kettering. When is that coming down the pipe? Considering it took so long for the FDA to finally allow Burzinski (who paid for his own research), to run a clinical trial; I doubt very soon. THAT is the dicotomy of modern medicine. Let's keep using the treatment that brings in the most revenue until the gravy train ends.

free skin care · Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:59 pm

JR - I know that you have sensitive skin so I'm interested to know if you are using Gua Sha as a massage or are you using it to produce the bruising?

free skin care · Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:23 pm

Wish there was a correction feature like on Facebook on EDS. I meant to say - she became cancer *free*.

free skin care · Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:03 pm

jasminerosey 1 wrote:

Sigma,
actually i also use ormus skincare products on my face..but i can't possibly spend the time right now to go into all that (and if there is so much tumult over ASG i can imagine ..and have already experienced.. some of the intense misunderstandings and 'commotion' about ormus)

i will post more in a few days.

I too would love to hear about your ormus products Jasmine. They do seem to fit so well into the energetic skincare product category. I have been using rosehip seed oil with argan oil myself. My skin is very sensitve too to any abrasive products. Even with the Pico gloves - I have to be careful. I cannot *rub* them on my skin for fear of certain areas becoming inflamed red and flaky. It's almost like a type of eczema reaction. When I use the gloves I am very careful to place, push up and hold. That is why I find the probes more compatible with my skin. Same thing happens when I try to dry brush my face with Carole Maggio's bamboo mitt lately. My skin has become over sensitve in my fifties. Take care, Aprile

free skin care · Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:18 pm

Jasminerosey: I see you use a copper product with your pico. Do you also take it internally? I'm asking because I have grey hairs and I'm not yet 30 yrs of age! My mom and dad both went grey early so it's just my lot in life but I've heard of copper supplements for hair and thought id ask.

I really like the idea of using minerals with microcurrent...intrigues me. I'd like to hear anything else you have to say on the matter. I see you have somewhat sensitive skin, and those topicals don't seem to irritate you at all?

Thx!

free skin care · Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:05 pm

carlingus wrote:

I have been using Ageless secret for a week or so. I'm noticing only one change- which could be attributed to all sorts of things, hormone shifts, my exercising consistently, cumulative effects of microcurrent just now reflecting in my skin- but something's made my skin tone more even. This is important to me because I deal with rosacea and I occasionally flare up from all kinds of things, especially alcohol (and I LOVE red wine) which I don't intend to quit as there's a limit to vanity and a drink with a friend after work is priceless to me. So noticing a change in skin tone is really the kind of thing I get excited about. This is the only change I've made in terms of a topical...I've gotten a couple other new topicals after seeing recommendations on here but haven't really dipped into anything yet beyond trying some stuff on one small red rosacea spot just last night and that didn't seem to do anything yet anyways. I like to give things a chance to show their effects independently. I don't know if I can say for sure it's due to AS but I have clearly more even skin now? I noticed it more today at nearly the week mark but thought I saw it a couple days ago too, just less obvious. I don't understand any of the technology behind the claims but now I want to test it on wine and see if I notice anything! Sounds impossible.

Edited to add:

Tonia- just a quick note in case you didn't know about this stuff, 'd-mannose' is a good supplement for clearing UTIs. Seriously, it's been better for me than a pack of antibiotics that make me feel tired and crappy. I use it occasionally to keep things clear and healthy

I use a d-mannose blend of powders that also includes dried down cranberry and probiotics. Stir into your alkalinized water and it's kind of yummy. I think it's by NOW products.

free skin care · Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:10 pm

I'm learning about ozone machines that mariposa uses and the ormus products JR is using and I like that.

Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:48 pm

AngelaE8654 wrote:

aprile wrote:

Btw, I have read taking sodium bicarb internally can also increase oxygen in the body.

I can't even imagine eating baking soda. I've brushed my teeth with it (and you can actually mix it with hydrogen peroxide for a super whitener teeth scrub) but I can't imagine swallowing it. I suspect that sort of "oxygen" would be air bubbles in the stomach causing burping. I was trained in vocal music and learned proper breathing techniques; I rely on my lungs and my bloodstream to disperse the oxygen my body needs. If one wants more oxygen, he or she needs to breath deeply and properly from the (Thoracic) diaphragm and not take "shallow" breaths from the chest. (Make your stomach stick out as you inhale or lay on the floor and put a book on your stomach and raise it as you inhale.) I haven't seen any reputable source that says one can increase oxygen in the body any other way.

My husband has a problem with acid reflux, and that "purple pill" that doctors like to prescribe didn't help much. He was told by a friend that his doctor told him to put at least a tablespoon of baking soda in a glass of water. My husband does that if he gets the acid reflux symptoms, and he gets relief in about a half hour. He says it tastes like crap, but the result is worth it.

(sorry for going off topic, but I wanted to comment on her injesting baking soda). Smile

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