is it true? Chemical Sunscreen must be applied to bare face?
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free skin care · Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:41 am

Mmm, the ones I have right now are mineral sunblocks, so I hope I am on the safe side Razz

Otherwise I would have to cut out lots of my skincare regime, and I am not sure if I would like that.

free skin care · Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:24 pm

yea i mean whose actually gona put on mositurizer after sunscreen..............youl probably end up cloged pores etc.........n doesnt it say to put on sunscreeen if you have been rubbing the area as sunscreen gets wiped off............i mean it clearly says on my bioderma sunscreen to apply every 2 hours or if rubbed off........and my bioderma is a chemical sunscreeen..............so if you are putting on moisturizer after sunscreen your rubbing it in ..........and your rubbing off the sunscreeen actually..........be logical people and dont believe everything you read Exclamation

free skin care · Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:31 pm

This is why I've switched to physical sunscreens...unless I'm at the beach, then I use one of the euros which are a combo of both for ultimate protection.

Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:39 pm

wow...so confusing about physical and chemical sunscreens...

Is there any suggestion on physical sucscreens?

free skin care · Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:46 am

Well, this is the last step for me, the sunscreens... NOT BEFORE.

steffers wrote:

hi there,

I just read in Allure Magazine (i think Dec '07 issue) that physical sunscreens can be applied last in one's routine, but that in the case of chemical sunscreens, they must be applied first, to "bare skin." Is this true?

Does this mean that my routine has been backwards, and possibly, ineffective for so long?

ARGH !!!!!

Sunscreens are generally thick and I can't imagine putting serums and stuff on AFTER my chemical sunscreen??!!

NOTE: I'm still altering between Neutrogena Dry Touch SPF 55 with Helioplex, and Vichy Capitol Soleil with Meroxyl. I use these for the high PPD (UVA protection.) The crappy part? They are not as fresh smelling and nice to put on as physical blocks. I put mineral makeup on top, especially to cover the shine. Can't find a middle ground. If anyone can help, please provide recs!!!

thanks!
steffers

free skin care · Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:57 am

I think that Allure magazine article is creating more confusion that it's solving. Whether we use chemical or physical sunscreen [I prefer physical], sunscreen is basically the LAST step in your skincare routine. Or it could be your FIRST step in makeup application, followed by primer, foundation, etc. etc...

free skin care · Fri Feb 29, 2008 2:03 pm

I have never had a problem using my sunscreen after my AM skincare routine and last step before makeup.If in a rush I am known to wash my face and apply just sunscreen. All the do and don't get so confusing.

free skin care · Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:32 am

jom wrote:

Also, if you use MMU you should not use a sunscreen that has avobenzone in it as the ingredients in MMU cancel out the effects of the avobenzone, making the sunscreen ineffective.

I was so proud of myself because I finally put sunscreen into my routine. But it has avobenzone and I use MMU. Crying or Very sad

Does anyone know the exact chemical(s) in MMU that cause the avobenzone to become weakened/ineffective???

sigh. so sad.

free skin care · Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:06 am

Winnie wrote:

All the do and don't get so confusing.

Agreed! Plus, what do you do if your sunscreen is a combination of physical and chemical? Or your sunscreen is physical and the sunscreen ingredient in your makeup is chemical? Crikey. I just make sure it gets on my face...!

free skin care · Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:13 am

It would be good if us mmu users could get a list going of sunscreens that are compatible with our make up.

I think the SVR50 is, right? Embarassed

( it's out of stock at the moment..)

free skin care · Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:23 am

sgresnic wrote:

jom wrote:

Also, if you use MMU you should not use a sunscreen that has avobenzone in it as the ingredients in MMU cancel out the effects of the avobenzone, making the sunscreen ineffective.

I was so proud of myself because I finally put sunscreen into my routine. But it has avobenzone and I use MMU. Crying or Very sad

Does anyone know the exact chemical(s) in MMU that cause the avobenzone to become weakened/ineffective???

sigh. so sad.

There is evidence that uncoated titanium dioxide and zinc oxide can degrade avobenzone so it is best not to layer non-micronized mineral makeup with an avobenzone containing chemical sunscreen.

Lavera SPF 40 Neutral Sunblock is supposed to be a good sunscreen.

http://www.vivawoman.net/2008/03/03/avobenzone-sunscreen-and-mineral-makeup/

free skin care · Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:12 pm

So....if I were to opt for the Neutrogena sunscreen with helioplex, that I would apply it first, before all makeup? If I understand this correctly, the chemical sunscreens (like Neutrogena) should not be eroded by applying makeup overtop....even mineral makeups? Please advise

free skin care · Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:04 pm

belledivine67 wrote:

So....if I were to opt for the Neutrogena sunscreen with helioplex, that I would apply it first, before all makeup? If I understand this correctly, the chemical sunscreens (like Neutrogena) should not be eroded by applying makeup overtop....even mineral makeups? Please advise

Yes, after cleansing apply the sunscreen and you're correct the chemical sunscreens (like Neutrogena) should not be eroded by applying makeup overtop....even mineral makeups, as long as your sunscreen does not contain avobenzone

free skin care · Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:29 am

jom, and should there be some waiting time between applying chemical sunscreen and going outside?

and should I wait between applying chemical ss and make up?

and how is it with physical sunscreens? should there also be waiting times?
Confused

free skin care · Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:02 pm

jom wrote:

sgresnic wrote:

jom wrote:

Also, if you use MMU you should not use a sunscreen that has avobenzone in it as the ingredients in MMU cancel out the effects of the avobenzone, making the sunscreen ineffective.

I was so proud of myself because I finally put sunscreen into my routine. But it has avobenzone and I use MMU. Crying or Very sad

Does anyone know the exact chemical(s) in MMU that cause the avobenzone to become weakened/ineffective???

sigh. so sad.

There is evidence that uncoated titanium dioxide and zinc oxide can degrade avobenzone so it is best not to layer non-micronized mineral makeup with an avobenzone containing chemical sunscreen.

Lavera SPF 40 Neutral Sunblock is supposed to be a good sunscreen.

http://www.vivawoman.net/2008/03/03/avobenzone-sunscreen-and-mineral-makeup/

Thank you for that link jom. Every once in a while I wear MMU, and my suncreens main ingredient happens to be Avobenzone 3.0%.... Brick wall

Who'd a thunk it was a hindrence, rather than a help...

It's all such a big pain in the butt! What's a girl to do? Life was so much simpler in the 70's, when nobody had a clue about all this --it!

free skin care · Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:53 pm

Aiva wrote:

jom, and should there be some waiting time between applying chemical sunscreen and going outside?

and should I wait between applying chemical ss and make up?

and how is it with physical sunscreens? should there also be waiting times?
Confused

I am not an expert on this but I remember reading something recently that said to wait 20 minutes after applying chemical sunscreen before going outside. With physical I think it's 30 minutes. I don't think you have to wait in between applying chemical or physical sunscreen and makeup. HTH

free skin care · Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:51 pm

thanks, jom! it does help A LOT!

free skin care · Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:34 pm

so what is everyone here doing?? are you really applying your moisturizers after you apply your SS Shock

and how does your skin feel? does it look and feel ickyyyy

free skin care · Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:33 am

athena123 wrote:

I think that Allure magazine article is creating more confusion that it's solving. Whether we use chemical or physical sunscreen [I prefer physical], sunscreen is basically the LAST step in your skincare routine. Or it could be your FIRST step in makeup application, followed by primer, foundation, etc. etc...

I think it makes sense and answers all the questions!
so moisturizer is applied before the SS...

free skin care · Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:33 am

jom wrote:

I am not an expert on this but I remember reading something recently that said to wait 20 minutes after applying chemical sunscreen before going outside. With physical I think it's 30 minutes. I don't think you have to wait in between applying chemical or physical sunscreen and makeup. HTH

From my understanding, you do NOT need to wait 30 minutes after applying physical, or mineral bases sunscreens. The reason you have to apply chemical based sunscreens prior to sun exposure is to give them time to absorb into your skin so they can degrade the UVA rays from within. This is also why chemical sunscreens [at least some of them] need to be reapplied more frequently. Whereas with physical sunscreen, you really only need to reapply if you are swimming or sweating a great deal.

Bottom line, however. Sunscreen is the last step in skincare, so it would go over your moisturizer and right underneath your makeup.

HTH!

Athena

free skin care · Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:31 am

thanks a lot, Athena!
you are sooo helpful!

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