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free skin care · Thu Feb 24, 2011 5:15 pm

Well, I'm not in a position to be lecturing anyone about diet and exercise at the moment. I used to exercise allot at home on my own equipment - but then my knees started to trouble me and I stopped. So then I purchased one of those vibrating platforms - but after researching their effectiveness, decided that it wasn't going to do much for me in terms of weight loss - so I sent it back.

I then went for a free trial of something called Hydroxy Therapy after seeing it promoted on TV. But it was basically a workout on a vibration platform (which I'd already decided against) then they put you in this giant machine which looked something like Lady Gaga's egg at the Grammy's. But inside it was basically just a set of bicycle peddles - they closed the lid of the "egg" and it created this vacuum which sort of sucked at you.

Anyway, I was basically disappointed at all of this and afterwards headed straight for the coffee shop for scones, jam and cream and a nice coffee!

I've got to get back exercising at home - but the fact is I spend way too much time on my face with all these gadgets, there's not enough hours in the day.

free skin care · Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:47 am

Keliu wrote:

Well, I'm not in a position to be lecturing anyone about diet and exercise at the moment. I used to exercise allot at home on my own equipment - but then my knees started to trouble me and I stopped. So then I purchased one of those vibrating platforms - but after researching their effectiveness, decided that it wasn't going to do much for me in terms of weight loss - so I sent it back.

I then went for a free trial of something called Hydroxy Therapy after seeing it promoted on TV. But it was basically a workout on a vibration platform (which I'd already decided against) then they put you in this giant machine which looked something like Lady Gaga's egg at the Grammy's. But inside it was basically just a set of bicycle peddles - they closed the lid of the "egg" and it created this vacuum which sort of sucked at you.

Anyway, I was basically disappointed at all of this and afterwards headed straight for the coffee shop for scones, jam and cream and a nice coffee!

I've got to get back exercising at home - but the fact is I spend way too much time on my face with all these gadgets, there's not enough hours in the day.

Losing weight also helped my dodgy knees (but mine are affected by arthritis, not mechanical probs). You definitely need to be careful if you have knee trouble - those vibrationy things might even make it worse! Shock

As for the scones with jam and cream, when I was younger, a friend and I used to go to a really intense aerobic sesssion once a week. Afterwards, we'd head directly to the fish and chippie or to the nearby cake shop and stuff our faces, thereby undoing all of our good work! Laughing

It all tasted ever so delicious, though. Embarassed

free skin care · Sat Feb 26, 2011 7:10 am

No doubt about the gadgets Kassy. I'm a lifelong exercise & diet nut..... I'll always be doing something. And, so far, I think Dukan is pretty easy. A day of nothing but protein? Anyone can do that.

free skin care · Fri Mar 04, 2011 3:42 am

Hi Everyone,
Just read this. Sounds interesting and pretty straight forward (though, for me - the fruit junkie - pretty hard to do).
Anyway, how are people doing on this diet? I have 5-6 lbs to lose and I'm considering this approach. I am 46 and perimenopausal, so using my "old" ways of slimming down just isn't yielding any results. I obviously need to try something else.
Please let us know if you are doing this diet and how do you like it.
TIA, R.

free skin care · Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:15 am

Keliu wrote:

What's wrong with everything in moderation and lots of exercise. These diets don't seem like a very natural approach to eating IMO.

The modern western diet isn't a very natural approach to eating. Wink

free skin care · Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:25 am

talyta wrote:

I tried this diet and for me is just torture - I like vegetables and fruits .. Sad

You might want to take a look at the Paleo diet, I won't get into it here and highjack, but I'll start a new thread.

Also as a general response: Calories in = Calories out or turned to fat is a bit of a false equation.

It's not entirely wrong, but here is the piece it misses.

We are not just a simple system. As soon as hormones and the endocrine system come into play things change.

Different substances we ingest signal the release of different hormones and different hormones tell our body what to do with the calories we've eaten.

This is why sugar and simple carbs will make you fatter, calorie for calorie, than fruits, veggies and meats.

free skin care · Fri Mar 04, 2011 4:11 pm

Paleo was actually my approach in my 30s..... it's still the best for me probably; I'm a Blood Type O and do not tolerate wheat or dairy. Avoiding those foods did as much for me as anything I've tried....

I got the Dukan book in the mail & have been reading it. I like it, mostly.... but I've done high protein for a decade so most of the book for me is pretty much non applicable. I'm not in "danger" of falling off my diet, just looking for new tricks. The oat bran is amazing for constipation... and the day of protein is just what I've needed. But dairy is not a source of protein that works for me and I have misgivings about the big splurge meals... I feel fine having more calories one or two days a week and maybe a pastry or something, but in general I've had the best results avoiding wheat and dairy and I think irregardless of the "pleasure philosophy" ie the French thing I'm gonna stick with that. Now you guys can say I'm boring..... I've had two slives of pizza a week the last winter and it really doesn't work fo me. Maybe I could just have one.

pustekuchen wrote:

talyta wrote:

I tried this diet and for me is just torture - I like vegetables and fruits .. Sad

You might want to take a look at the Paleo diet, I won't get into it here and highjack, but I'll start a new thread.

Also as a general response: Calories in = Calories out or turned to fat is a bit of a false equation.

It's not entirely wrong, but here is the piece it misses.

We are not just a simple system. As soon as hormones and the endocrine system come into play things change.

Different substances we ingest signal the release of different hormones and different hormones tell our body what to do with the calories we've eaten.

This is why sugar and simple carbs will make you fatter, calorie for calorie, than fruits, veggies and meats.

free skin care · Sat Mar 05, 2011 2:01 pm

Hi gretchen, I'm of the same thought of mind or taste as you,... the bread or the milk just doesn't suit me at all, which some people find strange.
The Dukan part of one day a week protein and every day two spoonfuls of oat bran, has helped me a lot, what I have found interesting is that I don't notice it maybe so much on the weight now but a lot on the volume, it seems to help me reduce fluid retention and keep trim.

free skin care · Sun Mar 06, 2011 7:45 am

I think I'm gonna give this a try. I don't have too much to lose (maybe 6-8 lbs), so I'll do 2 days of attack phase and then move quickly onto the cruise phase. We'll see how it goes.
I too am not crazy about dairy, but will have to make it a big part of my diet over the next little while. I am one of those people who eat very often (like - non-stop Embarassed

) and eating chicken 10 times a day just doesn't sound very attractive to me Confused

.
So, I'll do the protein phase with chicken, fish, cottage cheese, yogurt, eggs, and tuna (in water).
Will let you know how it goes.
R.

free skin care · Mon Mar 07, 2011 3:11 am

Went to Dukan website. According to their calculator, my "real weight" is 3 kg or 6.6 lbs away. Ideally, I would want to lose 8 lbs, but if I achieve 6.6 lbs, I'll be more than happy.
My hormones are making it extremely hard lately to lose any weight, so any loss would be great.
We'll see . . .

free skin care · Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:36 am

Finished my 2-day attack phase. Lost 3 lbs. Today - veggies!!! Very excited about that. I must say, I really don't enjoy the protein-only days.
Question for those who have done this diet - is it OK to include protein shakes? I would like to add some green smoothies to my protein-veggie days, but I'm not sure if green smoothies with protein powder are allowed.
Thx. R.

free skin care · Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:53 pm

rubby wrote:

Finished my 2-day attack phase. Lost 3 lbs. Today - veggies!!! Very excited about that. I must say, I really don't enjoy the protein-only days.
Question for those who have done this diet - is it OK to include protein shakes? I would like to add some green smoothies to my protein-veggie days, but I'm not sure if green smoothies with protein powder are allowed.
Thx. R.

So long as the smoothie has no carbs it should be ok. But that would mean all celery juice with greens...I would probably have the green smoothie later on after the Cruise Phase.

Still can't decide about dairy. Rolling Eyes

free skin care · Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:34 pm

I'm eating dairy - plain yogurts and cottage cheese. Those come in handy as snacks as I really don't know what I would eat on protein only days. I love to eat meat and fish, but I can't even imagine eating meat/fish 5 times/day. So, dairy it is . . . even though I generally don't eat it.

Today was my first protein + veggies day. Loved it!!!! I ate broccoli, asparagus, green beans + spinach/arugula salad. Yum!!!!!

free skin care · Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:06 pm

I just did the Atkins diet for 7 days and have lost 5 pounds. I am waiting for the Dukan book but in the mean time can someone who is on the diet tell me what dairy products you are eating in phase 1? Is it just PLAIN fat free yogurt or ....

I want to get started now, can't wait for the book.

TIA

free skin care · Thu Mar 10, 2011 3:21 am

Frodo wrote:

I just did the Atkins diet for 7 days and have lost 5 pounds. I am waiting for the Dukan book but in the mean time can someone who is on the diet tell me what dairy products you are eating in phase 1? Is it just PLAIN fat free yogurt or ....

I want to get started now, can't wait for the book.

TIA

Hi Frodo,
Congrats on the lost weight!!! 5 pounds in 7 days is terrific!
I just started Dukan 4 days ago (today is my 4th day) and I am also doing it without a book (can't buy it locally). I have read anything I could find on the Internet though, including a couple of blogs, which gave me a pretty good picture of what Dukan diet looks like and what's on the approved list.
As for the dairy, I personally only eat plain non-fat yogurt and kefir, and plain non-fat cottage cheese. My understanding is that you can also eat non-fat flavoured yogurt (vanilla and lemon) and up to two small containers of other non-fat fruit yogurt per day. I am not entirely sure about that, so I'm sticking with plain non-fat yogurt, kefir and cottage cheese.
Yesterday was my first protein-veggie day and I loved it. Today - protein only again.
Good luck!
R.

free skin care · Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:30 pm

Is caffeine allowed during the attack phase? Based on what's written here, sounds as though I could continue my tea and coffee on protein only days if only use non-fat milk, but no hemp or soy milk, correct?

free skin care · Sun Mar 13, 2011 3:18 pm

Tea wrote:

Is caffeine allowed during the attack phase? Based on what's written here, sounds as though I could continue my tea and coffee on protein only days if only use non-fat milk, but no hemp or soy milk, correct?

Yes, coffee and tea are allowed, as you say, if you take it with milk it has to be non-fat, that's all.

free skin care · Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:53 pm

An opinion on this diet.

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/03/18/dukan-diet-newest-fad-weight-loss-answer/?test=faces#

free skin care · Sat Mar 19, 2011 8:08 am

Frodo, thanks for sharing.
Just read the article and I don't think it describes the diet properly - it portrays this approach as being - protein only, with only small amounts of veggies allowed. And that's not what it's all about. I've been on this eating plan for almost 2 weeks and I've lost 5 lbs. I am eating a lot of lean protein and lots and lots of veggies every other day. Actually, I just started adding veggies to my dinner every day and I am still loosing at a healthy slow pace.
My issue with Dukan diet is the lack of fruit. I love fruit and that is the only thing I miss on this eating plan.
I am not sure that I would be willing to do this for a longer period of time (which would be the case if I had to loose a lot of weight), but for me it's a great solution as a month-long test.

Another thing the article didn't mention is that Dukan diet requires people to take a multi-vitamin supplements. Also, exercise is strongly encouraged. 20 min/day walk is a bare minimum that is required of people who have never exercised before. I exercise a lot!

Anyway, I think this works for me for this fairly short period of time (a month, before I move to consolidation phase that allows a lot more veggies and starts introducing fruit). I wouldn't and won't do this for a longer period.

Just my 2 cents.

free skin care · Sat Mar 19, 2011 12:03 pm

That's pretty inaccurate. I wonder whether they've actually bothered to read the book properly at all?

And what this about desserts being allowed on certain days? You can have a dessert every single day if you wish, as long as it is made using the recommended foods. In fact, even during Attack, I had something sweet after every meal, 3 times a day.

Also you don't actually NEED to eat fruits - vegetables contain plenty of vitamins and nutrients. Even the "5 a day" recommendation that our government keeps stating means 5 portions each of either fruit or veg in any combination.

Plus you don't have all of the fatty food that you can eat during Atkins.

There are probably many more inconsistencies, but I can't be bothered to pick them all out. Very lazy journalism. In fact, there was a Channel 4 programme a while ago which said all kinds of rubbish about Dukan - it was hardly even recognisable as the Dukan diet.

Journalists love sensationalism and picking things apart; that's what sells their stories.

free skin care · Sat Mar 19, 2011 12:27 pm

Hi Majorb,
Glad you chimed in. I actually have not read the book (can't buy it in Canada yet) and I'm doing the diet based on a couple of Dukan blogs and Dukan forums (where most people know what they are doing and have read the book and the cook-book).
Most people on those forums eat deserts regularly (yogurt cakes, cup cakes, muffins, chocolate moose . . . ), but I have not tried to do any baking as of yet. I don't really miss sweets so I'm not even interested in baking.
As said - the only thing I miss is fruit. But it won't be long before I can start adding that to my diet as well.
R.

free skin care · Sun Mar 20, 2011 10:27 am

I have such a sweet tooth, rubby. Being able to eat sweet treats has really helped me through the diet. I love the oatbran vanilla and goji or toffee muffins and chocolate cremes!

There's a lot of good info on Dukan on the Internet, as long as you find a decent site or forum. It's best to have the book as a point of reference and for explaining how things work, but it sounds as though you're doing really well without it. Hopefully, the book might be published in Canada soon. In fact, I'm very surprised that it isn't already.

free skin care · Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:23 am

I'm still waiting for my book. Hopefully it will ship as soon as the english version is released. I need the book before I get started.

free skin care · Tue Mar 22, 2011 10:06 am

A Mediterranean diet is the easiest one for most people to follow and very heart healthy. No gimmicks, just eat the way French, Italians and Greeks do -- fish, olive oil, vegetables, red wine, whole grains. Just don't eat too much of anything and you won't gain weight. Americans are fat because they eat too much.

free skin care · Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:41 am

SoftSkin wrote:

A Mediterranean diet is the easiest one for most people to follow and very heart healthy. No gimmicks, just eat the way French, Italians and Greeks do -- fish, olive oil, vegetables, red wine, whole grains. Just don't eat too much of anything and you won't gain weight. Americans are fat because they eat too much.

I had to smile at this. When I lived in France (in a city only just over an hour from Paris), the slim French women I knew mostly ate salads with no dressing and a little lean meat - that's why they were thin! There were some who ate more heartily (especially in the more rural areas), but even then, their diet seemed to consist of plenty of meat, along with seafood and not so much veg - and the veg tended to be loaded with butter. (France is not much fun for for vegetarians, that's for sure!) Most of the men over 30 have pot bellies of various sizes as the diet over there is heavy on rich food, red meat, cheese, creamy sauces, buttery pâtés, indulgent desserts and oily pasta sauces.

I'd say that those in the South of France are more likely to eat the kind of diet you mean, SoftSkin, but they also eat plenty of meat and butter.

Definitely agree with your advice about moderation. Many people who can't understand why they keep putting on weight and aren't able to lose it don't realise just how much they eat - and are completely shocked when they start keeping a record of what they actually do consume.

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