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Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:24 pm  |
| Immacolata wrote: |
Yes - unless you want to spend all your time carefully monitoring what kinds of food you're eating, then you should take supplements on a raw food diet. I do take protein powder (brown rice) in my smoothies, and take a variety of vitamins. The EFAs I've got covered - flax seeds, walnuts, almonds.
I was a vegan before I went raw, I don't/won't eat meat or any kind of animal product. |
I ate plenty of flax, chia and hemp seed and hemp protein , but my body needs animal based protein. I used to think that was a myth until I added eggs back and saw my muscle come back within a month. A raw friend with depression finally saw it lift after adding oily fish. Flax and hemp weren't being converted to DHA for him. |
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Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:41 pm |
I can fully appreciate people wanting to eat a healthy, wholesome diet and cutting out processed foods - but I don't understand why most people who take this approach also take multiple supplements. Supplements are processed, manufactured "food". There is a "warning" on all bottles of supplements and vitamins that they are only to be taken if the diet is inadequate. So, therefore, it makes much more sense to me to just eat an "adequate" diet from the get-go. I can also see no sense in cutting out certain food groups.
Dr. Oz made an interesting point about gluten free foods on his show the other day. Apparently, whatever it is that they substitute the gluten for is much worse for you than what the gluten is in the first place (that is, of course, as long as you're not gluten intolerent). This is yet another example of people thinking that they're consuming something that is "healthier" for them - but they're not. |
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Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:04 am |
Gluten-free processed foods - the bread is about the only processed thing that I eat (I do put pickled pepperocini on salads, a splurge, I just love them!) It's made with brown rice flour. It looks like bread but it's quite dry and crumbly, needs to be toasted. I've had the same loaf in the freezer for 5 weeks now, it's about half gone. I toast it and cut it into little squares for dipping hummus.
As far as your take on supplements, with all due respect, that's kind of silly - if you're taking supplements, if you need supplements, your diet is bad? That's like saying, well, I give up, I can't get all my nutrients from the way I eat, so I have to just give up and die. I need supplements now less than I needed them when I ate a crap diet. Ideally, I would have the time, money and knowledge to micro manage every piece of food that goes in my mouth to make sure I'm getting all the nutrients that I need. In today's world, that is impractical, if not impossible.
I take them to make sure I'm getting everything that I need. I live in Oregon, so I take D3 - should everyone move from the Pacific Northwest because there's not enough sunshine? I don't think so.
I don't go by what Dr. Oz says - I am only going by how I feel and look. This way of eating has changed not only my body, but the way I think and feel about food. It's the best thing I've ever done for my health! And my butt looks awesome in jeans now! LOL |
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Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:46 pm |
| Immacolata wrote: |
As far as your take on supplements, with all due respect, that's kind of silly - if you're taking supplements, if you need supplements, your diet is bad? |
Just to clarify - this is not my take on supplements. I'm not expressing my opinion, it's an acknowledged fact. For supplements to be of benefit, the diet must be lacking. The preferred method of nutritional intake is whole foods in a well balanced diet. All supplement packaging will state this. For example, just looking at two of my supplements, one states:
"Warnings:
1. May be dangerous if taken in large amounts or for a long period of time.
2. Vitamins can only be of assistance if the dietary vitamin intake is inadequate.
3. If symptoms persist consult your healthcare practitioner."
The other says:
"If symptoms persist see your healthcare professional. Vitamin supplements should not replace a balanced diet".
In Australia (at least) these types of warnings are (by law) on all supplements and vitamins.
And, yes, I do take some supplements myself. But it just strikes me as ironic that people who want to do the very best for their health don't eat a balanced diet but instead rely on manufactured substances for their nutrition.
Also, I was recently reading about the evils of carbs on another forum where it was suggested that they should be eliminated from the diet. A young Indian girl wrote in and said she had no idea that rice was so bad because it was the staple in her country and all her family's meals were based around it. However, she is now going to try and give up eating it although this will be very difficult for her. This appalled me. Indians do not have a problem with obesity - yet here we have Westerners in the US (who have the highest rate of obesity in the world) advising someone who probably eats a far more healthy diet than them to give up a staple food which has sustained millions of people for centuries.
Sorry, but it makes no sense to me. |
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Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:57 pm |
I don't think carbs are evil - quite the contrary! Especially rice - it's a far better choice to make than wheat, or potatoes.
Also, I didn't start taking supplements until I was a month into this, and then it was only Biotin at first, then silica, then MSM - I was trying to make my hair grow faster. I've only recently decided to add a multi and extra C. I'm not going crazy on them, not going to start blowing the whole paycheck on them. I will continue with the first three - biotin, silica and MSM, because they did make my hair and nails grow faster, and also benefited my skin, which looks fresher. But I felt better before I started taking supplements - MUCH better. |
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Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:56 pm |
Hi, sorry, changing the subject of supplements, I came across this video on Youtube, was going to post it on the 80/10/10 thread, then thought it would fit in maybe better here. Or I may post in both places... 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTlcVt4HzQo
She's really cute, and she made me laugh at the end on her comments about meat and protein, and animal life. So true,  .
Hugs, A. |
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:00 pm |
| Keliu wrote: |
| What on earth is wrong with just eating a nutritious, healthy diet encompassing all food groups in moderation? |
Nothing at all, the problem is "who" establishes "what" is the amount of "moderation" and "what" is "nutritious", like meat in comparison with what?...
That is why I'm around these forums, because it is not clear at all to me. I'm taught certain things, then the real world comes along... and I doubt. |
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Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:35 pm |
| ATester wrote: |
| Keliu wrote: |
| What on earth is wrong with just eating a nutritious, healthy diet encompassing all food groups in moderation? |
Nothing at all, the problem is "who" establishes "what" is the amount of "moderation" and "what" is "nutritious", like meat in comparison with what?...
That is why I'm around these forums, because it is not clear at all to me. I'm taught certain things, then the real world comes along... and I doubt. |
The human race has evolved by eating the foods that were available in their particular region. Eskimos didn't survive on fruit and African tribes didn't survive on seals. What we ate was determined by our environment. That is the reason why I think it's madness to tell Asians that they shouldn't eat rice etc. etc.
But today we have a plethora of foodstuffs available to us - from all over the world. The choice is infinite. If a food is nutritious, fresh and unprocessed then it should be good for us. Claiming that whole groups of foodstuffs are bad for us is nonsense. A hundred years ago no-one was on a "diet" - people were too concerned with finding enough to eat. |
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:06 am |
There are a million different studies that say what we should and should not eat, how we should live, what we should put on our skin, etc. I can only go by what is working for me.
And regarding supplements, particularly MSM and Vitamin C - I sliced off the top of my right middle finger (about 1/8 inch) on a mandoline slicer, a week ago Saturday. At 7 days it was completely healed, with only a slightly darker circular patch on my finger tip. I've never had a cut heal so fast, and it was a deep one! I can only attribute it to my improved health since starting raw food/supplements. |
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:30 am |
| Immacolata wrote: |
I don't think carbs are evil - quite the contrary! Especially rice - it's a far better choice to make than wheat, or potatoes.
Also, I didn't start taking supplements until I was a month into this, and then it was only Biotin at first, then silica, then MSM - I was trying to make my hair grow faster. I've only recently decided to add a multi and extra C. I'm not going crazy on them, not going to start blowing the whole paycheck on them. I will continue with the first three - biotin, silica and MSM, because they did make my hair and nails grow faster, and also benefited my skin, which looks fresher. But I felt better before I started taking supplements - MUCH better. |
No, I disagree. Potatoes are MUCH healthier than rice. Rice has very little nutrition in it wheras potatoes have a good amount of protein as well as vitamins and minerals. I've had one serving of grains in 6 months and feel a million times better- no way would I include rice in my diet. |
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:49 pm |
To each his own, I guess. I always preferred white rice over any kind of potato. Brown rice, not so much. I'll be adding rice to my diet this winter, but so far potatoes haven't made it in. I eat so little of either rice or potatoes that it's not really something that I think about, as far as how nutritious one or the other is. For me, it's just been a way to add calories and bulk so I can keep a little meat on my bones.
I lived in Asia in my childhood so am very fond of sticky white rice, it's the ultimate comfort food for me! The sight of a mound of clean white rice in a bowl with the chopsticks laid across it, the smell of it cooking, the taste and texture - it transports me! LOL |
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:31 pm |
In you culture, potato is somewhat a staple food. In asia, rice is a staple food. I eat brown and wild black long-grain rice (no white rice) and I find it fulfilling to eat and I get less hungry during the day. If I eat potatoes, I'll be hungry in less than 2-3 hours.
I disagree that potatoes are much healthier either. Depending how you cook the potatoes, fried, baked or put lots of heavy cream, butter, then you will be adding calories in your diet. Then it is not a good thing. Any type of rice is cooked only with plain water (no oil added) and I find this type of cooking more healthier for me. If you restrict your food choices, then your body suffers with inflammation and other problems. You won't see it now because you said that you have great skin, but you will see it when you are older. I think moderation in eating in any food groups would be best than excluding some food groups "someone" said are not good for you...
| gretchen wrote: |
| No, I disagree. Potatoes are MUCH healthier than rice. |
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:07 pm |
Potatoes contain good things, like vitamin C, protein and fibre. Deep frying them may not be such a good idea, or mashing them with butter and cream (though that is so very, very delicious!) but boiled and steamed, or stir-fried, they are a healthy component of your meal.
Potatoes are digested easily - hence the feeling of an empty stomach a few hours after the meal. This is not a bad thing, unless of course you have trouble controlling yourself and go late night snacking. But in a normal, balanced diet in sensible portions potatoes are good for you. |
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:18 pm |
| Lotusesther wrote: |
| But in a normal, balanced diet in sensible portions potatoes are good for you. |
Of course they are - so is rice. They are simply two foods native to different climatic regions. Depending on where we were born, we all probably grew up with either potatoes or rice as a staple.
IMO, people these days are developing food phobias - something that is, in itself, unhealthy. Labeling certain foods (and the heating of food) as "bad" has become very fashionable and is only a recent phenomenon. My sister-in-law came to stay with us last weekend and arrived with a whole slue of gluten-free products. She now believes that gluten is "bad". Doesn't matter that she is not gluten intolerant and that she has consumed gluten for the last 70 years and is perfectly healthy. Gluten is to be avoided at all costs. In its place are gluten-free products which have been processed and had the gluten replaced with heaven knows what.
What I find ironic is all of these fad diets are mainly promoted by western countries that have the highest rates of obesity and unhealthy eating habits in the world. Europeans and Asians have much lower rates of obesity and yet their diets are the ones that are declared unhealthy.
Of course, we can all choose to eat what we want - and we will survive. It's amazing what the human body can adjust to. So if you want to eat only fruit - fine. You will survive - but if you think that that can possibly be good for you, you are mistaken.
And, food isn't just about survival. To humans, sharing and eating food is a socialising, cultural experience - it is how we interact with our family and friends. Unfortunately, in some countries (especially the US) food seems to be regarded by some people as the "enemy". |
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:53 pm |
| Newsflash has just come on TV - low fat foods have now been linked to uterine and pancreatic cancer. Why? Because these foods are processed, the fat has been removed and replaced by fillers. Morale of the story - just eat whole foods. |
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:57 pm |
To clarify - foods that are naturally low in fat do not cause cancer, but heavily processed food that has had the fat artificially removed and replaced with god knows what can kill you! LOL
Kind of putting it dramatically but in the long run it's close to the truth. |
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:30 pm |
| Keliu wrote: |
| Newsflash has just come on TV - low fat foods have now been linked to uterine and pancreatic cancer. Why? Because these foods are processed, the fat has been removed and replaced by fillers. Morale of the story - just eat whole foods. |
| Immacolata wrote: |
To clarify - foods that are naturally low in fat do not cause cancer, but heavily processed food that has had the fat artificially removed and replaced with god knows what can kill you! LOL
Kind of putting it dramatically but in the long run it's close to the truth. |
Surely I would not mix the concepts of low fat foods and foods that have had the fats removed through a processed/artificial system! This kind of affirmation is only confusing and wrong to me. I agree with Immacolata in clarifying this. |
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Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:04 pm |
| ATester wrote: |
| Keliu wrote: |
| Newsflash has just come on TV - low fat foods have now been linked to uterine and pancreatic cancer. Why? Because these foods are processed, the fat has been removed and replaced by fillers. Morale of the story - just eat whole foods. |
| Immacolata wrote: |
To clarify - foods that are naturally low in fat do not cause cancer, but heavily processed food that has had the fat artificially removed and replaced with god knows what can kill you! LOL
Kind of putting it dramatically but in the long run it's close to the truth. |
Surely I would not mix the concepts of low fat foods and foods that have had the fats removed through a processed/artificial system! This kind of affirmation is only confusing and wrong to me. I agree with Immacolata in clarifying this. |
I think I made it clear that the foods under discussion were processed. No one in their right mind would think that low fat foods are bad. But many people believe that reduced fat foods are better. |
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Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:26 am |
| Keliu wrote: |
I think I made it clear that the foods under discussion were processed. No one in their right mind would think that low fat foods are bad. But many people believe that reduced fat foods are better. |
Sorry hon - I know you made yourself clear. When I read the first sentence of your post I was like "WHAT????" Just posted to warn people like myself who don't wait to read the whole post before reacting!
Do y'all remember the high fiber craze during the 80s? Might have been late 70s. There was some new bread that came out that was mega-fiber bread, had umpteen grams of fiber per slice. Turned out, though, that it was wood fiber...
Then there were those fat free cookies that tasted just plain odd and were loaded with sugar. And the potato chips that cause "anal seepage!"
Scary what they try to feed us! |
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Wed Nov 14, 2012 1:47 pm |
| Immacolata wrote: |
| Keliu wrote: |
I think I made it clear that the foods under discussion were processed. No one in their right mind would think that low fat foods are bad. But many people believe that reduced fat foods are better. |
Sorry hon - I know you made yourself clear. When I read the first sentence of your post I was like "WHAT????" Just posted to warn people like myself who don't wait to read the whole post before reacting!
Do y'all remember the high fiber craze during the 80s? Might have been late 70s. There was some new bread that came out that was mega-fiber bread, had umpteen grams of fiber per slice. Turned out, though, that it was wood fiber...
Then there were those fat free cookies that tasted just plain odd and were loaded with sugar. And the potato chips that cause "anal seepage!"
Scary what they try to feed us! |
Wood fiber  , yes it is scary sometimes to think what they try to feed us!!
I was wondering about fruits and vegetables, how do you wash them best to try get rid of pesticides, plaguicides, bacteria, etc. I generally just wash them under running tap water which is not bad where I live, just a little hard. I've got an ozonator that according to instructions is useful for this but never actually used it yet for that purpose.
TIA. |
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Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:07 am |
If they're not organic I peel them. I've heard of people using fruit soap or whatever it's called but I've never used it since I peel almost everything that is not organic. For non-organic, if they can't be peeled (i.e. strawberries) I just wash them under running water as well as I can.
I wish I could afford to buy 100% organic, but you make do with what you have.  |
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Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:30 am |
| I usually soak them in the vinigar water. it will help. |
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Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:18 am |
| Hmmm - I will try that. I have a ton of vinegar in my cupboard. It will help ease my mind a little. |
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Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:37 pm |
| azumma wrote: |
| I usually soak them in the vinigar water. it will help. |
Thank you!! I also use vinegar a lot for salads and for other cleaning purposes, but never even thought of using to rinse clean the fruit and veggies!! Great tip  . |
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