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Sun Jul 08, 2012 12:27 pm  |
I read that in regards to coffee too. Do not use one of those coffee pots with the water that sits there all night, and makes it for you, because the water will be flat--it was on some site that had directions on how to make the most excellent coffee.
I don't do that anyway, I use an old fashioned press or espresso pot.
I noticed microwaved water for the teapot or reheated coffee is also flat. I think the microwave does something weird to it. I kept thinking I didn't want to waste it, and then had a duh moment, put it in a thermous! |
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Sun Jul 08, 2012 12:43 pm |
hey you should all come to very rainy Scotland, the water tastes wonderful, even if left for a bit on the side  |
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Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:31 pm |
| 10Sylvia5 wrote: |
| hey you should all come to very rainy Scotland, the water tastes wonderful, even if left for a bit on the side |
LOL, Sylvia would love to, and the whole of the UK as well!  |
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Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:52 am |
I am reading a book called The Raw Food Lifestyle by Ruthan Russo, PHD. There is a chapter in here about water.
This site, http://www.chem1.com/CQ/clusqk.html
says that Dr. Emoto's crystal photos are of ice crystals and not water. However--
Dr. E said they were ice crystals during freezing and thawing, so the guy who is de-bunking him did not do his own homework, because Dr. Emoto did not claim it was water, he always said it was ice crystals.
This is an entire chapter, so I will just paraphrase.
Some things destroy the natural crystal structure, like chlorine, pollutants, fluoride, and the pressure of pipes.
All scientists say that carbonated water is more acidic, natural spring water is neutral, at 7. Distilled water is dead, it is unstructured.
To re-structure tap water, you need to use reverse osmosis with charcoal. Then you let it set with quartz crystals for about 8 hours to have it go back to its natural state, its a process called pizeoelectricity, a re-organization process.
Some say don't bother with all that. Just let it set out for an hour or so, to get rid of the chlorine. It depends of course, on how bad your tap water is.
Natural Water: There is spring and also artisan.
Spring comes up from a natural spring, it bubbles up.
You need water to mature underground so it gets its full structure. Often, in the process of getting the spring water, it is not fully mature, according to this author.
Artisan water is the best, its from deep within the earth and its mature and structured, without the human intervention that would cause it to be immature. However, there is that nasty issue about the bottles.
The best thing to do, according to this book is to find a spring in your area and take it home.
Oh, also, they said that Dr. Emoto had discovered, after taking photos of water in various cities, that in all major cities it was really bad.
There were some that surprised him though, like New York. The people there are making an effort to have clean water, and it shows. The water of New York is kept in cedar tanks. |
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Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:32 am |
SansSouci - I can assure you that Dr. Stephen Lower of Chem1 has done his homework. His credentials are beyond reproach.
Dr. Emoto and Dr. Shi Jhon did not state that the photos were of ice crystals - they stated that they were of structured water. Other scientists, on viewing the photos, claimed that they were of ice crystals.
This thread was not intended for discussing water, whether from the tap or from a bottle. It is for discussing energised, structured, harmonised (whatever you want to call it) water - and the lack of science behind it.
But, for the record, I don't favour bottled water (although my husband does). Bottled water is one of the greatest money making enterprises of our generation. If you are lucky enough to live in a country in which tap water is potable, you would be far better off by drinking that. I'm also not a fan of water purifiers because as well as removing the so called nasties, they also remove vital minerals which are essential to the body.
Please read this article by Dr. Paul Shin, who is an expert on water:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/52497495/Water-Water-Everywhere-Caveat-Emptor-(-Buyer-Beware-)! |
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Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:20 am |
| Keliu wrote: |
SansSouci - I can assure you that Dr. Stephen Lower of Chem1 has done his homework. His credentials are beyond reproach.
Dr. Emoto and Dr. Shi Jhon did not state that the photos were of ice crystals - they stated that they were of structured water. Other scientists, on viewing the photos, claimed that they were of ice crystals.
This thread was not intended for discussing water, whether from the tap or from a bottle. It is for discussing energised, structured, harmonised (whatever you want to call it) water - and the lack of science behind it.
But, for the record, I don't favour bottled water (although my husband does). Bottled water is one of the greatest money making enterprises of our generation. If you are lucky enough to live in a country in which tap water is potable, you would be far better off by drinking that. I'm also not a fan of water purifiers because as well as removing the so called nasties, they also remove vital minerals which are essential to the body.
Please read this article by Dr. Paul Shin, who is an expert on water:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/52497495/Water-Water-Everywhere-Caveat-Emptor-(-Buyer-Beware-)! |
The book I have says he said it was of thawing water, and I used to have the book, but don't anymore. I thought I too, remembered him saying it was thawing type water. But I don't have the book anymore.
My apologies for bringing it up, the title of this thread made me think it was about DIY Structured/Energized Waters. |
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Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:51 am |
If you go to Amazon, look up Emoto's book
Messages from Water and the Universe, and read the first chapter for free, it says, it is thawing water on a petri dish. Its not letting me cut and paste the page, but it is really clear about this, that his staff is photographing while in a room minus 5 celius.
I did want to discuss how to diy structured water, so I will find a different group to do this with.. |
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Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:16 pm |
Hi Keliu, Thank you for your question about how Ageless Secret is tested.
It is a good one. I make every batch and test every batch on my skin. This is sort of like making wine and being a wine tester. Or if you bake a cake, how do you know it is good enough for people to eat it? If a chef makes soup, how does he know it is good enough for his customers?
In the case of Ageless Secret it feels slippery when I first put it on my hands. Then as it begins to dry, I press my skin and it feels slightly sticky. When it dries completely it feels very smooth and tight and I check the skin snap back. Paula and I also test the Ageless Secret Gold on our faces using the FIM lamp. I also test Ageless Secret Gold for the expansion of water.
By the way, it is interesting and disappointing that you did not see “results” from using The Ageless Secret Gold. What were your observations? What were your expectations?
Results vary from person to person, but I demo all the time in person and in the more than 10 years I have done this, I can’t count one hand the number of people who did not see an improvement in the smoothness and tightness (snap back) of their skin on their hands. I’m wondering now, if maybe those few were slightly dehydrated. The energy in Ageless Secret expands water. Since our skin is mostly water, this results in an immediate plumping of the skin, which shows up as an improvement in appearance and skin elasticity.
I know it is possible to make skin feel smoother and improve skin snap back with other products, but they are not doing it with energy and supporting the energy field. They are doing it by lubricating the skin. When they are washed off the effect goes away. Ageless Secret cannot be washed off, because the effect is energetic. Supporting the energy field is critical, because according to Dr. Burr’s research, if you damage the field you damage the organism. He also found it was a “blueprint” for developing organisms controlling the placement of the eyes, the nose, and the mouth. |
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Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:36 pm |
| kasz wrote: |
The energy in Ageless Secret expands water. Since our skin is mostly water, this results in an immediate plumping of the skin, which shows up as an improvement in appearance and skin elasticity.
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Does this mean that the results, if any, obtained by Ageless will vanish when the user stops using it? Meaning, there is no collagen/elastin formation which would last even if Ageless is not used any more? |
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Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:39 pm |
Hi felixia, Thank you for your question regarding the choice and selection method for Niacin, Cayenne pepper, Ho Shou Wu, and Helichrysum.
They were among many promising herbs and ingredients I tested. The primary criteria was how well do they support the energy field of the body? The process took years and it was determined by taking lots of Kirlian photos and measurements made with Bio-Meridian Machines. |
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Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:17 pm |
Hi daler, Thank you for your question.
Collagen and elastin are helical molecules. It is controversial, but there is some evidence, by observation that helical molecules, of which DNA is also one, work best when they are “wet out” with structured water. Structured water is created by electricity or magnetism. These are energies.
Dr. Burr’s research led him to conclude that every cell in the body is surrounded, permeated and penetrated by an electric field. Therefore, your skin has energy. This is important information for people who want to look like they have been drinking from the fountain of youth. In an earlier post I made about structured water I mentioned that it was an investigation of people having great longevity and vitality who were found to drink a type of structured water that led to all the excitement.
When you use Ageless Secret on your skin its energy supports your electrical field and that allows you to more easily create structured water within your skin plumping up your collagen and elastin like when you were young. The more and the longer you do this the better the results become. The results are similar to “working out.” If you work out for a month you will see an improvement. But if you stop the results will fade quickly. If on the other hand you worked out for 2 years and then stopped, there will be a significant inertia and the results will fade more slowly. |
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Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:20 pm |
| kasz wrote: |
Hi daler, Thank you for your question.
Collagen and elastin are helical molecules. It is controversial, but there is some evidence, by observation that helical molecules, of which DNA is also one, work best when they are “wet out” with structured water. Structured water is created by electricity or magnetism. These are energies.
Dr. Burr’s research led him to conclude that every cell in the body is surrounded, permeated and penetrated by an electric field. Therefore, your skin has energy. This is important information for people who want to look like they have been drinking from the fountain of youth. In an earlier post I made about structured water I mentioned that it was an investigation of people having great longevity and vitality who were found to drink a type of structured water that led to all the excitement.
When you use Ageless Secret on your skin its energy supports your electrical field and that allows you to more easily create structured water within your skin plumping up your collagen and elastin like when you were young. The more and the longer you do this the better the results become. The results are similar to “working out.” If you work out for a month you will see an improvement. But if you stop the results will fade quickly. If on the other hand you worked out for 2 years and then stopped, there will be a significant inertia and the results will fade more slowly. |
Ok, thank you, so then it does promote the collagen/elastin in the skin. |
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Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:54 pm |
Hi daler,
It promotes "youthful looking" Collagen and Elastin. The results get better because your skin is not static. It has a wonderful built-in renewal system that seems to work great up until the age of 35.
Dr. Burr, concluded from his research that the field was critical to making this work. Since Ageless Secret supports the field, the new Collagen and Elastin that the skin naturally makes when it is young, but has declined in older people, begins to work like nature originally intended. |
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Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:33 pm |
So you are talking about how to make your own structured water? I thought, why are people talking about how to diy it, unless they are agreeing that it works and that there is such a thing?
Wouldn't whether it exists or not be a different topic?
I have not tried the Ageless product. I will go read the thread more thoroughly and see about getting some. I am a $7 jojoba person, but if its as astonishing as all of you say it is, I shall try it.
This talk about the skin springing back quickly. Mine was helped a little bit by a supplement called hydrogen boost. I subscribe to David Wolfe's newsletter, and in one of his videos he discusses making your water wetter. I kept thinking this sounds like nonsense, wetter than wet, but David is very cutting edge, and a number of people said it was their number one supplement-- Something is wrong with me, water wise--maybe I need the water to be wetter! I would have called it "lighter", but I think we are referring to the same thing.
I do feel better, its been two weeks. I do not know how to describe it, its like I am not so stale.
I am wondering if it is restructuring the water. I will go to his web site and read more.
I am also wondering if this topical product is just like this supplement, only for the outside? I would think it would be best to do most of the work done from the inside out, and then use this topical application as well.
| kasz wrote: |
Hi daler, Thank you for your question.
Collagen and elastin are helical molecules. It is controversial, but there is some evidence, by observation that helical molecules, of which DNA is also one, work best when they are “wet out” with structured water. Structured water is created by electricity or magnetism. These are energies.
In an earlier post I made about structured water I mentioned that it was an investigation of people having great longevity and vitality who were found to drink a type of structured water that led to all the excitement.
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Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:18 pm |
Hi Sansouci, Thank you for your post.
In an earlier post I mentioned that MJ Pangman is a leading authority on how to create structured water. She has written books. Her new book is Dancing With Water. She also has a web site where you can learn a lot.
In my ebook http://agelesssecret.com/Ageless-SECRETS-eBOOK.pdf
on page 6 there is information that explains why I feel that it is your ABILITY to create structured water inside you that is the most important factor.
This also supports my recent discovery, which I presented in an earlier post, that children under the age of 12 can hold a glass of water with both hands and energetically change the consistency of the water. Some teens can and most adults cannot. The effect is temporary, but it shows that there is an “enabling energy” that weakens with age.
A really interesting thing you can do is use Ageless Secret Gold to self-energize water, and then drink the self-energized water. To do this, you do NOT spray Ageless Secret into the water. You spray it on the palms of your hands. When it dries then you hold a glass of water with both hands for 30 seconds and the coupling of your energy with Ageless Secret Gold, gives you the ability to create the “water of youth”. |
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Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:09 pm |
Thank you for updating me, and for repeating yourself so I could catch up! I now have 5 or 6 web pages to read--am also reading up about iodine..
I am going to put that book on my wishlist, and read your report.
I had not heard of charging water with your hands, aside from the Catholic church and holy water. It sounds far-fetched, but then again, there is the Hands of Light, ala Barbara Brennan type of thing, so I suppose you could do this to water too...I had my hands photographed once with kirlian photography doing that. It was amazing! I only barely thought something, and it spread way out. Then I thought something negative, but did not even put effort at all into it, just a fleeting thought. The photo (it was like a live video, I was on stage)--the image turned red and had sparks. I was thinking, jeez, what if I was really mad! I was not even feeling it, and it did that!
The demo was to show how your thoughts travel through your field. They guessed that I "gave too much" because after they had me think a kind thought, I could not bring the energy back. They said I needed to be careful to not get drained.
This was true of my personality at the time.
Say. I wonder if the holy water at the church would do anything special for your skin? heheh. Not if you steal it, huh? I heard Madonna pays somebody to bless her water.
I am also wondering, if this water charge is kinda like the air that has a negative and a positive ionic charge.
| kasz wrote: |
Hi Sansouci, Thank you for your post.
In an earlier post I mentioned that MJ Pangman is a leading authority on how to create structured water. She has written books. Her new book is Dancing With Water. She also has a web site where you can learn a lot.
In my ebook http://agelesssecret.com/Ageless-SECRETS-eBOOK.pdf
on page 6 there is information that explains why I feel that it is your ABILITY to create structured water inside you that is the most important factor. ”. |
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Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:39 pm |
| Hi Jim - thanks for your informative posts. I've been away and haven't been on EDS but I appreciate your input for those who have questions. For anyone else - you will know I am an advocate of ASG and use Diamond also. Gold keeps my youthful template alive and well - thank goodness. I LOVE it and Diamond is a great fill-in spritzer. I wish for all who try these products to know the great results I and many others enjoy. YOu will be amazed over time with what happens to your skin and how it works to youthenize and make You a better YOU. It is truly unique. |
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Tue Jul 17, 2012 3:48 pm |
| kasz wrote: |
Hi daler, Thank you for your question.
Collagen and elastin are helical molecules. It is controversial, but there is some evidence, by observation that helical molecules, of which DNA is also one, work best when they are “wet out” with structured water. Structured water is created by electricity or magnetism. These are energies.
Dr. Burr’s research led him to conclude that every cell in the body is surrounded, permeated and penetrated by an electric field. Therefore, your skin has energy. This is important information for people who want to look like they have been drinking from the fountain of youth. In an earlier post I made about structured water I mentioned that it was an investigation of people having great longevity and vitality who were found to drink a type of structured water that led to all the excitement.
When you use Ageless Secret on your skin its energy supports your electrical field and that allows you to more easily create structured water within your skin plumping up your collagen and elastin like when you were young. The more and the longer you do this the better the results become. The results are similar to “working out.” If you work out for a month you will see an improvement. But if you stop the results will fade quickly. If on the other hand you worked out for 2 years and then stopped, there will be a significant inertia and the results will fade more slowly. |
Hello Everyone: FWIW: I use Ageless Gold as a baseline (energy) product along with Collagen and/or elastin related products internally/externally. I use a collagen supplement, msm and C and hyaluronic acid internally (hey anything for the cause). Externally I choose products with the goal to use synergy with the Ageless in helping them reap the best outcome with skin repair and anti-aging - collagen boosting. Hey, I want it all. 
I love science and I've dabbled in DIY and still do ... I also know I cannot replicate ASG(structured water) in my kitchen. Whatever it has going is amazing and powerful and beyond my scope.
Some of you may recall Jasminerosey (the original poster of ASG)... She used ASG faithfully and then went to India for an extended period of time. While away she ran out and stopped using ASG. When she came back to the US and started using ASG again she was amazed at how her skin responded. She had forgotten the special beauty that ASG brought out for her. For me that says it is something you need to continue to use and the benefits are worth it - if you're a skincare junkie like most of us . Supplementing with Diamond is a great and less expensive alternative. I don't know how the 'structure' of these are different but I'll leave that to Kasz. I'm just glad to have these products and believe they enhance the quality of many other products. |
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Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:01 pm |
For those of you who may be interested in the theory, design etc of structured water in Ageless Secret Gold: Radio show #5 discusses much of the energy/matter principle etc in depth. I never knew these shows existed until last week.
http://agelesssecret.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=102&Itemid=210 |
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Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:40 pm |
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| Some of you may recall Jasminerosey (the original poster of ASG)... She used ASG faithfully and then went to India for an extended period of time. While away she ran out and stopped using ASG. When she came back to the US and started using ASG again she was amazed at how her skin responded. She had forgotten the special beauty that ASG brought out for her. For me that says it is something you need to continue to use and the benefits are worth it - if you're a skincare junkie like most of us. Supplementing with Diamond is a great and less expensive alternative. I don't know how the 'structure' of these are different but I'll leave that to Kasz. |
Yes Sis ~ couldn't agree more with everything you've said. I started out using the diamond formula and have only been using the Gold for only a few months. I am amazed at the "build on" effect...the results keep getting better and better for me over time.. I too like the diamond formula a lot for spraying over my makeup and to freshen up my look. But, by far and wide the Gold kicks things into a another gear. It is simply amazing what it does and you are correct....it is quite a unique product. The other night I used it with the TDP lamp and OMG ~ in the morning when I woke up my skin looked nice and plump and my face had a luminous glow about it. I too think it enhances the results of other products. I for one wouldn't want to be without it!!! ~ Best, Aprile |
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Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:46 pm |
Aprile - Help. Am I missing something - sure hope not - Is TDP the same as an FIM lamp?
Anyway check out the list above - some great shows if you haven't already watched them. Kind of long but I multi=task and then rewind as needed. |
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Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:44 pm |
| sister sweets wrote: |
Aprile - Help. Am I missing something - sure hope not - Is TDP the same as an FIM lamp?
Anyway check out the list above - some great shows if you haven't already watched them. Kind of long but I multi=task and then rewind as needed. |
Hi Sis ~ Oops YES TDP is the same as the FIM lamp. Mine says TDP on it, but it's the same thing~ Lol! Will definitely have to take a look when I get the time. Off to a baseball tourney this weekend in CT. Take good care, Aprile |
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Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:13 pm |
Thanks... Just looked .. mine says TDP too. Things you take for granted.  I hope it's a great tournament. Go get em .... |
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Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:08 am |
Kasz what do you make of the vortex water then? (http://www.vibrantvitalwater.com/index_vitalwater.htm)
Anyone using that device still? |
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Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:55 pm |
Hi TheresaMary,
Thank you for your question.
I'm not familiar with this device. |
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