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Mon Jul 02, 2012 7:19 pm  |
I was flipping thru channels and qvc had algenist on, they were showing their serum, which Ethel likes so I thought I'd see what she said, a lady called in and loved it and basically said what Ethel did on her review (your not alone Ethel), then she asked, since her "lip lines were fading away, did she need to keep using it? (lip lines got my attention) the woman said yes, well actually Lisa did and then said when a product is working you have to keep using or your lines come back, the sales lady nodded agreeing.
Well it dawned on me RL has a maintenance phase, at a certain point were suppose to be able to use just a few times a week to maintain. That means they believe this product actually delivers and we can just supplement our skin to keep it up. This has actually gotten me very excited to think that might be a possibility.
While I get if we get results from skincare A, and stop, we keep aging, but it never dawned on me, if we stop and revert back fast, then what did product A really do? plump? This is so simple, why haven't I ever questioned this before. Are we really just running after what can plump us up the most to hide the lines? Rather than a product that actually can reverse the lines and we can then slow down product usage?
I do hope the marketing on this is correct and their "maintenance phase" is real, that would mean it reallllllllllllllly did something lasting not just temporary plumping. I know it will take time to find this out, but thought I'd share my lightbulb moment.
There are very few products that actually deliver long term results, one is Vit A, takes a long time to see the "final" results, ect. But they are lasting results that one would then just continue aging rather than revert back within a few weeks of stopping. Now that said, I don't buy the hype of you won't see results for a long time either, I think if one isn't seeing much of anything within a certain period, I'd move on, I don't expect to see HUGE results, but definite improvement along the way or why bother. |
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Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:02 am |
Hmmmm,
Tiny you got my attention. You make very good points. Things I had not really thought about.
On another note I better clarify.
I do split up my reluma usage. I am not detailing that because I already did. I will address what Tiny said because I guess it matters. I have about 20 different creams in my bathroom cabinet. Once the serum soaks in, I slap on a bit of one of those creams. I don't believe they are doing anything other than adding moisture because I never noticed difference in my skin when using them before. Hence why I have so many.
I am not listing them all trust me the list is long and most only have a little bit of use left.
The jar that is going to last the longest because it is full up and was tucked away in the cupboard is Olay regenerist. I am saving that for last. |
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Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:43 am |
| loopylori wrote: |
Hmmmm,
Tiny you got my attention. You make very good points. Things I had not really thought about.
On another note I better clarify.
I do split up my reluma usage. I am not detailing that because I already did. I will address what Tiny said because I guess it matters. I have about 20 different creams in my bathroom cabinet. Once the serum soaks in, I slap on a bit of one of those creams. I don't believe they are doing anything other than adding moisture because I never noticed difference in my skin when using them before. Hence why I have so many.
I am not listing them all trust me the list is long and most only have a little bit of use left.
The jar that is going to last the longest because it is full up and was tucked away in the cupboard is Olay regenerist. I am saving that for last. |
Well I think your systems not unwise. Why put 2 of the products on when you can do one at a time! makes the money go alot further. The first ingredient in the cream and serum is the stem cells! So either way your getting them. Using both may or may not get results faster. |
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Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:30 pm |
| loopylori wrote: |
Hmmmm,
Tiny you got my attention. You make very good points. Things I had not really thought about.
On another note I better clarify.
I do split up my reluma usage. I am not detailing that because I already did. I will address what Tiny said because I guess it matters. I have about 20 different creams in my bathroom cabinet. Once the serum soaks in, I slap on a bit of one of those creams. I don't believe they are doing anything other than adding moisture because I never noticed difference in my skin when using them before. Hence why I have so many.
I am not listing them all trust me the list is long and most only have a little bit of use left.
The jar that is going to last the longest because it is full up and was tucked away in the cupboard is Olay regenerist. I am saving that for last. |
Well, I can add that in my experience, in regard to Algenist, when I run out and fail to get myself to Sephora to restock for a while, I do not see worsening of my progress. I have, in the past, waited about a month before resupplying, without noticeable deterioration of my skin improvement. However, I do think that ANY topical, when stopped, allows to the skin to revert to the same previous problems, as we are genetically predisposed to develop those problems. I think this is true of procedures such as LED as well. In fact, it's true of facelifts, too! I suspect that if we stop using ReLuma, the level of the beneficial types of cytokines in our skin will again decrease and, as nature intends, our ability to heal damage properly will revert to the same state it was prior to starting ReLuma. This process is true of Retin A, retinyl palmitate, and of ANYTHING we do to make aging skin behave as younger skin behaves. It is akin to orally supplementing with a vitamin...if you are predisposed to a vitamin deficiency, stopping oral supplementation will soon return your body to that deficiency. |
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Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:38 pm |
Ethel,
I completely agree, but thats not how they were saying it! The lady was about to run out. If you can go a month and your progress not stopped, then thats a win, its a good product. I was referring to stopping a product and a week or so later, the results are gone. They implied she could NOT risk stopping at all, that got me thinking, there are a lot of products that people say when they stop, their results go away, so if that is the case, then its plumping rather than real results. I do realise we all keep aging.
hope that makes sense, and your review of a month later results staying might help some who want to try algenrist, do it, its not cheap either. |
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Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:42 pm |
| Tiny wrote: |
Ethel,
I completely agree, but thats not how they were saying it! The lady was about to run out. If you can go a month and your progress not stopped, then thats a win, its a good product. I was referring to stopping a product and a week or so later, the results are gone. They implied she could NOT risk stopping at all, that got me thinking, there are a lot of products that people say when they stop, their results go away, so if that is the case, then its plumping rather than real results.
hope that makes sense, and your review of a month later results staying might help some who want to try algenrist, do it, its not cheap either. |
Tiny, I would wager a guess that they said that to increase their sales....they want people to keep buying it and to stay stocked, not to wait!  No doubt my improvements aren't permanent, but they did last about a month before I started using the Algenist again.
However, I agree with you that results which are gone within a day or so of stopping use are indeed due to plumping, or in the instance of heavily siliconed products, smoothing. |
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Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:44 pm |
| EthelM wrote: |
| Tiny wrote: |
Ethel,
I completely agree, but thats not how they were saying it! The lady was about to run out. If you can go a month and your progress not stopped, then thats a win, its a good product. I was referring to stopping a product and a week or so later, the results are gone. They implied she could NOT risk stopping at all, that got me thinking, there are a lot of products that people say when they stop, their results go away, so if that is the case, then its plumping rather than real results.
hope that makes sense, and your review of a month later results staying might help some who want to try algenrist, do it, its not cheap either. |
Tiny, I would wager a guess that they said that to increase their sales....they want people to keep buying it and to stay stocked, not to wait! No doubt my improvements aren't permanent, but they did last about a month before I started using the Algenist again. |
LOL I should of thought of that! If your results stay that long then its definitely improving your skin, not just plumping it out! Those are they type of products I am looking for, too many fluff and are not really making 'real' changes.
eta: I wonder if your results are staying, if you could then do a maintence type of usage and keep the gain? |
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Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:16 pm |
| Tiny wrote: |
| EthelM wrote: |
| Tiny wrote: |
Ethel,
I completely agree, but thats not how they were saying it! The lady was about to run out. If you can go a month and your progress not stopped, then thats a win, its a good product. I was referring to stopping a product and a week or so later, the results are gone. They implied she could NOT risk stopping at all, that got me thinking, there are a lot of products that people say when they stop, their results go away, so if that is the case, then its plumping rather than real results.
hope that makes sense, and your review of a month later results staying might help some who want to try algenrist, do it, its not cheap either. |
Tiny, I would wager a guess that they said that to increase their sales....they want people to keep buying it and to stay stocked, not to wait! No doubt my improvements aren't permanent, but they did last about a month before I started using the Algenist again. |
LOL I should of thought of that! If your results stay that long then its definitely improving your skin, not just plumping it out! Those are they type of products I am looking for, too many fluff and are not really making 'real' changes.
eta: I wonder if your results are staying, if you could then do a maintence type of usage and keep the gain? |
From reading it took a month to start to see the results decrease I would guess yes?  |
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Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:19 pm |
Ethel,
you should add that you can go a month without changes to the algenist thread, that would be a huge point for those interested in the product! There really are not many that give long lasting results, IMO. And if I read it right, you don't really know how long you could go, you've just gone that long inbetween restocking. |
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Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:58 pm |
I often wonder why people talk about "long lasting results", and make comments like; "I stopped using *it*, and my skin reverted back to it's prior look"... Duh, why wouldn't it revert back, and then some... 
Time and the aging process marches on relentlessly. Isn't it a matter of finding what works, and keep on doing it?
My goal is just to stay one step ahead of father time..., and pray a lot  |
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Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:06 pm |
| Kassy_A wrote: |
I often wonder why people talk about "long lasting results", and make comments like; "I stopped using *it*, and my skin reverted back to it's prior look"... Duh, why wouldn't it revert back, and then some...
Time and the aging process marches on relentlessly. Isn't it a matter of finding what works, and keep on doing it?
My goal is just to stay one step ahead of father time..., and pray a lot |
Got to agree with that logic Kassy!!! Why everyone thinks that they can apply something, get results, stop using it and look great forever, I can't figure out. We can never stop fighting the good fight. "Keep on keeping on" is my mantra! |
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Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:16 pm |
| Keliu wrote: |
| Kassy_A wrote: |
I often wonder why people talk about "long lasting results", and make comments like; "I stopped using *it*, and my skin reverted back to it's prior look"... Duh, why wouldn't it revert back, and then some...
Time and the aging process marches on relentlessly. Isn't it a matter of finding what works, and keep on doing it?
My goal is just to stay one step ahead of father time..., and pray a lot |
Got to agree with that logic Kassy!!! Why everyone thinks that they can apply something, get results, stop using it and look great forever, I can't figure out. We can never stop fighting the good fight. "Keep on keeping on" is my mantra! |
You said it (And the older we get, the harder the battle is.) Hard enough in fact, for me to be hopping on the "dermaroller" train next month...  |
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♥I'm flattered by all the lovely PM's, but I don't get here much these days. Please don't be afraid to post your quearies to other DIY members who will be glad to help you (or sell you their wares..lol) Still happy with LED, dermarolling and a DIY antioxidant regime. Peace & Hugs to all.♥ |
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Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:23 pm |
| Kassy_A wrote: |
| You said it (And the older we get, the harder the battle is.) Hard enough in fact, for me to be hopping on the "dermaroller" train next month... |
All I can say is, "About bloody time"!! |
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Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:28 pm |
| Kassy_A wrote: |
| Keliu wrote: |
| Kassy_A wrote: |
I often wonder why people talk about "long lasting results", and make comments like; "I stopped using *it*, and my skin reverted back to it's prior look"... Duh, why wouldn't it revert back, and then some...
Time and the aging process marches on relentlessly. Isn't it a matter of finding what works, and keep on doing it?
My goal is just to stay one step ahead of father time..., and pray a lot |
Got to agree with that logic Kassy!!! Why everyone thinks that they can apply something, get results, stop using it and look great forever, I can't figure out. We can never stop fighting the good fight. "Keep on keeping on" is my mantra! |
You said it (And the older we get, the harder the battle is.) Hard enough in fact, for me to be hopping on the "dermaroller" train next month... |
I am glad I was able to give you something to poke fun at me about! Enjoy............
All I was saying is too many products only plump the skin, stop the product and NOT one line is really changed. Ethel found one that by running out of product, her results were still there a month later! No one said she could or should STOP THE PRODUCT and her skin would not continue to age. I asked if perhaps she could then use it a few times a week (rather than daily) and save a lot of money. The product she is using is $100 an ounce, not a cheap product and one that is out of range for a lot of people. |
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Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:35 pm |
Whoah!!! Tiny - no-one is having a go at you!!!
Kassy and I are just bemoaning the fact that time marches on, regardless of what you do - that's all. No need to take it personally. |
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Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:27 am |
| Keliu wrote: |
Whoah!!! Tiny - no-one is having a go at you!!!
Kassy and I are just bemoaning the fact that time marches on, regardless of what you do - that's all. No need to take it personally. |
Alls good I just wanted to clarify I did not think anything could be "stopped", I hoped it could be slowed down is all.. |
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Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:49 am |
Hey slowing down is good enough for me and if I get to the stopping I will shout from the rooftops.
BTW Kassy I just saw your photo on another thread / no it must have been skincaretalk, boy you look
awesome, completely so not your age 
I am now starting up my light again and whatever else you have said you did. |
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Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:15 pm |
Aww Tiny, I wasn't poking fun at you at all.. I just meant it very generally, because I see comments like that from lots of members.. Please don't take it personally.
Silvia, don't get too excited, that photo was from Christmas time (a lot can happen in 7 months when you're an old geezer.. ).. But thank you for the cheering up.
Keliu, I'll be b!tchin and moanin all the way... And you're right! "About bloody time".. |
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Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:22 pm |
| Kassy_A wrote: |
Aww Tiny, I wasn't poking fun at you at all.. I just meant it very generally, because I see comments like that from lots of members.. Please don't take it personally.
Silvia, don't get too excited, that photo was from Christmas time (a lot can happen in 7 months when you're an old geezer.. ).. But thank you for the cheering up.
Keliu, I'll be b!tchin and moanin all the way... And you're right! "About bloody time".. |
Thanks! next time I won't over re act, I was a bit touchy last night  ...
Sylvia I don't think we ever get to "stop"!! We'll we do but its pretty final  |
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Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:27 pm |
OOPs
Tiny. You do have a point Ha HA |
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Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:25 pm |
| 10Sylvia5 wrote: |
OOPs
Tiny. You do have a point Ha HA |
LOL. Sylvia my dad had a saying whenever a person complained about another birthday...."Consider the alternative" Really we either get a year older or we get dead!  |
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Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:50 pm |
@ DM (get dead indeed)
Life would be infinitely happier if we could only be born at the age of eighty and gradually approach eighteen.
- Mark Twain |
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Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:53 pm |
| Kassy_A wrote: |
@ DM (get dead indeed)
Life would be infinitely happier if we could only be born at the age of eighty and gradually approach eighteen.
- Mark Twain |
Yes indeed, Good one too Kassy, as they say Youth is wasted on the young, but heck I did have fun! |
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Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:02 pm |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| Kassy_A wrote: |
@ DM (get dead indeed)
Life would be infinitely happier if we could only be born at the age of eighty and gradually approach eighteen.
- Mark Twain |
Yes indeed, Good one too Kassy, as they say Youth is wasted on the young, but heck I did have fun! |
Wouldn't that be grand to wake up one day and look at our bathroom counters and say wth was I using all this for |
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Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:05 pm |
| Tiny wrote: |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| Kassy_A wrote: |
@ DM (get dead indeed)
Life would be infinitely happier if we could only be born at the age of eighty and gradually approach eighteen.
- Mark Twain |
Yes indeed, Good one too Kassy, as they say Youth is wasted on the young, but heck I did have fun! |
Wouldn't that be grand to wake up one day and look at our bathroom counters and say wth was I using all this for |
LOL You do have a way with words Tiny! That is part of what I am liking a simple 3 step system I can stick with and at least see some results!
I know I am using my C and RA but it is all easy at least ! |
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