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Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:03 pm  |
| That's a great idea to use a foam cleaner with the Saeki massage. I'm going to do that and the lotion mask after my Tanaka with oils! |
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Sun Jan 31, 2010 3:40 pm |
Bummer! I didn't know I was supposed to store my hempseed oil in the fridge. I hope I haven't messed it up.
Well, I tried the once daily massage with OCM oils for one week and I'm broken out again. Sad to say, this is not for me. I'll still probably use the massage before special events for that nice glow but I'm not going to be able to use it only a daily basis. |
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Mon Feb 01, 2010 3:28 am |
Ack-- me too Tonia! I've also cut down the massage to 1x/ day, and while my breakouts have definitely lessened, my skin is still in pretty bad shape. (My baby daughter points to each of my zits and says, "Boo-boo? Boo-boo?)
I don't know what to do, since it seems that since I've cut back doing the massage from 2x/ day to 1x/ day, my NL's have started reappearing... faint, but more noticeable than before.
I really want this to work for me & am considering getting a dermawand to deal with the breakouts. Oh, why does the lymphatic purging have to occur right on the face, as opposed to some hidden area of the body? |
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Mon Feb 01, 2010 4:47 am |
| JLM wrote: |
Ack-- me too Tonia! I've also cut down the massage to 1x/ day, and while my breakouts have definitely lessened, my skin is still in pretty bad shape. (My baby daughter points to each of my zits and says, "Boo-boo? Boo-boo?)
I don't know what to do, since it seems that since I've cut back doing the massage from 2x/ day to 1x/ day, my NL's have started reappearing... faint, but more noticeable than before.
I really want this to work for me & am considering getting a dermawand to deal with the breakouts. Oh, why does the lymphatic purging have to occur right on the face, as opposed to some hidden area of the body? |
I've had to reduce to once a week - I still get a cyst or couple of spots when I do it, but it's more manageable than the 50-odd I had Christmas time.
JLM let me know how it goes with the Dermawand - I've also been recommended this but decided to let someone else be guinea pig 
One other thing I'm tempted to do, is to do the massage after I've done my morning cleanse and applied my moisturiser. It won't be as slippery as before but my fingers can still move smoothly across my face. I don't have a problem with oils as I'm still using my hempseed oil with my vaculift, but as mentioned the massage may work better for me (us?) without oil. |
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:14 am |
So sad... I've stopped doing the Tanaka massage for the past few days & have realized that it is causing my breakouts. I had acne prior to starting the massage & was hoping that this was not the case, but unfortunately, it is.
My Dermawand is in the mail, so perhaps I'll be able to resume Tanaka when I get it. |
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:14 am |
Has anyone, except me, tried doing the massage with Emu oil?
I am using pure Emu Oil, and so far no breakouts (even though I get breakouts from oil cleansing methods)...
and as I had a Lymph drainage cream, which was recommended for my son's sinus when he was sick, I decided that it should only help the drainage of the lymph during my massage, so I am adding it on top of the Emu oil, especially massaging it into the lymph nods and passages.
The name of the cream is Lymphdiaral, it is a homeopathic remedy, it says "for the relief of chronic and acute lymphatic conditions, including inflammations, infection, swelling and pain (made by Pascoe, Germany). I got it at a local homeopathic pharmacy.
So since I started doing the Tanaka massage with this base, it actually helped me to avoid breakouts and clear the face. |
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:39 am |
| Ella stella, you may have found a solution. Emu oil is anti inflammatory. It may help it to prevent acne. |
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:46 am |
Just want to comment that Critic look SUPER young in person when I met up with her in person this evening, maybe even better than she looked in the photos that I saw before. And her complexion is totally flawless with an amazing glow. She is TOTALLY lovely and friendly!
Critic is a huge inspiration to me and I will keep on doing Tanaka's massage diligently!!! |
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:08 pm |
| ella-stella wrote: |
Has anyone, except me, tried doing the massage with Emu oil?
I am using pure Emu Oil, and so far no breakouts (even though I get breakouts from oil cleansing methods)...
and as I had a Lymph drainage cream, which was recommended for my son's sinus when he was sick, I decided that it should only help the drainage of the lymph during my massage, so I am adding it on top of the Emu oil, especially massaging it into the lymph nods and passages.
The name of the cream is Lymphdiaral, it is a homeopathic remedy, it says "for the relief of chronic and acute lymphatic conditions, including inflammations, infection, swelling and pain (made by Pascoe, Germany). I got it at a local homeopathic pharmacy.
So since I started doing the Tanaka massage with this base, it actually helped me to avoid breakouts and clear the face. |
ella-stella: can you tell me how long you've been doing the tanaka massage? I guess I'm not sure when I'll know if I'm "all-clear" on the detox front ... it sounds like most people experience these negative effects around week two or three? And for some people this doesn't seem to end, whereas others have problem skin for a week or two but it eventually resides? |
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Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:02 am |
Ella-Stella, using emu oil sounds like a great idea! However, I'm wondering if anyone has tried the massage with "vegetarian" emu oil, like the Dremu oil sold by SAS, with equal success? (Perhaps I'll have to give it a shot myself.) The lymph clearing cream also sounds like a good idea... I'll have to go look for it.
Murray, my acne was active before I started Tanaka, but it seems that people who got breakouts experienced them within a week or two of starting. Good luck! |
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Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:08 am |
| Sorry-- the oil sold by SkinActives is called Emulator, not Dremu. |
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Thu Feb 04, 2010 6:08 am |
| murray28 wrote: |
ella-stella: can you tell me how long you've been doing the tanaka massage? |
It's been 3 weeks since I started, but I added the lymph cream only about a week (+) ago, so far so good.
Just to mention all the facts, I also do home micro dermabrasions at least every week or twice a week, but it didn't seem to make a big difference before I started this lymph massage. Just in Nov -December, before I started, I had series of breakouts which I didn't know what to do about. I had been using Retin A complex cream for 3 months prior, and even though it is supposed to help acne (maybe on a long run), but it was constantly activating it, and even when I stopped, the acne breakouts continued. And nothing was really helping, no oil cleansing, no topical medication.
This is why when I started the massage, I was so careful about what base I was going to use. I needed to make it slippery enough and non-provoking for my skin, so Emu oil was the only thing that came to my mind from what I had as a choice. And so far it's clear, I will let you know if anything appears different. |
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Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:57 am |
| MACrisis wrote: |
I’ve used different oils and creams to do Tanaka massage. There’re either too slippery or did not glide smoothly.
My husband just came back from Japan and bought me 2 jars of Zogan cream which Critic posted the link earlier. http://www.ymethod.com/product/zogan.html I used the Zogan cream this morning, it did feel good. The texture felt very familiar but I could not think of any cream I’ve used is similar to it. After turning 50 my memory is fading…..
After 6 weeks doing Tanaka massage my NL did not getting any better but gave me lots of “bumps” around my temples and huge pimples which I never had in my life. I’ll see if it’ll make a difference by using Zogan cream. |
I know you haven't been using the Zogan cream long, MACrisis, but wondered how you're liking it so far. Also, I'd love to know what the ingredients are if you know, so I can look for something comparable. Thanks. |
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Fri Feb 05, 2010 3:24 pm |
Once a week I do a nice simple hair mask, and decided to make a little extra and use it for the Tanuka massage... It was luverly!
2 heaping TBS coconut oil
1 heaping TBS honey
Don't forget to put some on your hands too! |
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Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:34 pm |
| Skippie wrote: |
| MACrisis wrote: |
I’ve used different oils and creams to do Tanaka massage. There’re either too slippery or did not glide smoothly.
My husband just came back from Japan and bought me 2 jars of Zogan cream which Critic posted the link earlier. http://www.ymethod.com/product/zogan.html I used the Zogan cream this morning, it did feel good. The texture felt very familiar but I could not think of any cream I’ve used is similar to it. After turning 50 my memory is fading…..
After 6 weeks doing Tanaka massage my NL did not getting any better but gave me lots of “bumps” around my temples and huge pimples which I never had in my life. I’ll see if it’ll make a difference by using Zogan cream. |
I know you haven't been using the Zogan cream long, MACrisis, but wondered how you're liking it so far. Also, I'd love to know what the ingredients are if you know, so I can look for something comparable. Thanks. |
I like the Zogan cream a lot. No new bumps or pimples (I use Desert Essence Blemish Touch Stick and it works very well.). I'm sorry there's no ingredient list anywhere on the box or jar.
The texture of Zogan cream is a little bit like La Mer but not as thick or oily. During winter time it's impossible to spred La Mer but it's very easy to use the Zogan Cream. |
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Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:40 pm |
Skippie,
I found her products online but can't read to see if they list ingredients. Maybe someone here can translate this better than google..
http://www.ymethod-ashiya.com/products/detail_itde_i000008.html
Online orders for YMethod Zogan Cream
http://www.ymethod.com/index.html
Pictures of Tanaka, lotions and creams
"The DVD does not explicitly recommend a specific product. Ms. Tanaka produced 2 cosmetic companies. One is “ SUQQU ”, but she moved from the company. Currently she runs another company called “Y-Method”. Both of them sell different high quality massage creams. They are specifically produced for the purpose of facial massage. Both of them are good for the sliding and stopping of the fingers on the facial skin."
from http://facemassage.sblo.jp/ |
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Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:26 pm |
| Kassy_A wrote: |
Once a week I do a nice simple hair mask, and decided to make a little extra and use it for the Tanuka massage... It was luverly!
2 heaping TBS coconut oil
1 heaping TBS honey
Don't forget to put some on your hands too! |
Smells wonderful and the dogs love it. |
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Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:17 am |
| Zoftig wrote: |
Skippie,
I found her products online but can't read to see if they list ingredients. Maybe someone here can translate this better than google..
http://www.ymethod-ashiya.com/products/detail_itde_i000008.html
Online orders for YMethod Zogan Cream
http://www.ymethod.com/index.html
Pictures of Tanaka, lotions and creams
"The DVD does not explicitly recommend a specific product. Ms. Tanaka produced 2 cosmetic companies. One is “ SUQQU ”, but she moved from the company. Currently she runs another company called “Y-Method”. Both of them sell different high quality massage creams. They are specifically produced for the purpose of facial massage. Both of them are good for the sliding and stopping of the fingers on the facial skin."
from http://facemassage.sblo.jp/ |
Thanks Zoftig. I ran the pages through Google translator and the ingredients weren't included. |
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Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:55 am |
| I just wanted to thank Alley and WeiFen for posting the Tanaka massage demonstrations links with English translations. I felt I was missing the finer details with just the visuals and the words being in Japanese. I have the Shiseido facial massage mask and they also have directions for facial massage which I like. I think the Tanaka method is more comprehensive and I really like her general approach. It inspires me. Now to switch to green tea! |
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Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:23 am |
| Hi all, I have been doing the massage since Stephanie gave us the English translation. Fiddled with it for a while before that. how long did it take most of you to notice improvements? I have seen nothing, it feel good and relaxing but what should i be seeing? It's been about 2 weeks. Toby, you seem to be really enjoying the benefit, but i saw your pics on the green tea thread and it doesn't look like you had many issues to begin with!! I am 4 years younger and I would not want closeups of me shown anywhere!!! My lower face is really where i notice the most downward slide so I really concentrate on those movements, while doing the whole routine. Any ideas, thanks LD |
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Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:44 am |
| LD wrote: |
| Hi all, I have been doing the massage since Stephanie gave us the English translation. Fiddled with it for a while before that. how long did it take most of you to notice improvements? I have seen nothing, it feel good and relaxing but what should i be seeing? It's been about 2 weeks. Toby, you seem to be really enjoying the benefit, but i saw your pics on the green tea thread and it doesn't look like you had many issues to begin with!! I am 4 years younger and I would not want closeups of me shown anywhere!!! My lower face is really where i notice the most downward slide so I really concentrate on those movements, while doing the whole routine. Any ideas, thanks LD |
LD,
I have issues with N/L. I had full cheeks most of my life and with age they have dropped some creating N/l sag, although there was some of those even in my twenties. The massage drastically has removed those issues. Now it could be because my problem may have a lot to do with needing the lymph drainage. I have also noticed drinking green smoothies has a tremendous effect on this area as well. If you think I don't have many issues please look at all the things I do...all have helped. I have been blessed with a firm neck and jaw but other than that any improvement is from all the knowledge here on the forum using facial exercises and devices. I realize from my buddies here that have a couple more birthdays than me, there is more is to be expected with the increase of years, so I am following all they do to keep things in check. I am a woman on a mission!  |
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Sat Feb 06, 2010 12:20 pm |
| Toby, thanks, I too am doing it all thanks to all the great tips I started learning here years ago. LED, massage, Tua Viso, Ageless and bits from other programs, plant based diet including smoothies. It feels like a full time job sometimes so I create ways to make it fun, me time. it just doesn't seem to be making that WOW difference I keep hearing about. I guess I should always consider what I might look like without all the effort! YIKES I'm trying to make lemonaid out of lemons. I'm not one to give up easily and like I said earlier Safetox is next on my list. Thanks for the encouragement, LD |
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Sat Feb 06, 2010 3:05 pm |
Hi LD,
You know, Skippie mentioned on the Tian Yong Rejuvenation System thread that her results from Tanaka were better when she incorporated doing the accupressure that TY demonstrates in her video.
I recently got the DVD myself & noticed that the accupressure points targeting the NLs are the same as the ones that are shown on a link that Moonstone posted a while ago on the NL thread. I cannot do Tanaka myself anymore because of the breakouts, but I do feel that working the accupressure points are helpful in minimizing my NLs. Below is what I wrote up about it on the NL thread, Moonstone's link, and her original quote:
| JLM wrote: |
Well, I received my Tian Yong DVD in the mail yesterday-- naturally, I ran to the DVD player to watch. I'll post a more comprehensive review in the TY thread later. However, there was one accupressure point focusing on the NL's that TY demonstrated which reminded me of a link Moonstone had posted a while ago on this thread:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzs0H417jUc
The guy puts 4 red dots on each side of the models face to demonstrate where you should apply pressure with your finger. TY also shows these same accupressure points. However, the guy says to press in on the point and push upwards 4x (watch the video and you'll see what I mean.)
TY has a different technique: she has you press on the point and massage in a circular motion with your fingertip 3x, then wait 3 seconds while pressing in on the point, and to do 10 repetitions of this.
Well, I tried TY's method, and I have to say, I didn't see too much difference. However, there is an accupressure point just about on either side of the nostrils, and while I was pressing in, it felt pretty good, like a release of pressure or tension of some sort. My sinuses even seemed to be more clear as I was doing this. I decided to continue focusing on this pressure point... which I did, for about 5 minutes or so.
Ah... yes, now there was a difference! The faint shadow that was creeping back along the NLs had receded. The only thing is, I had 2 red fingerprints indented into my skin... but no matter! They faded and the NL's too!
What I like about this accupressure method is that I can do it almost anywhere, even while I'm out & about. I don't know whether one could overdo it (like Tanaka) and get weird results, but for now, I will continue and see what happens. (And so far, no new zits this morning!)
I feel that TY will not give instant lifting results, as Tanaka does, and I will still try to give it another try after my Dermawand arrives. TY results seems to be more cumulative, and accupressure is another method that I feel might be worth trying. I'll continue to post results.
BTW Tonia, I've been doing a combination of FE & Ageless for about 5 months... for me, it seemed that my NL's did get a bit worse at first. Actually, it seemed that my face was looking better after the first couple of weeks, and then a little after a month in, I just looked *so* tired.
And I continued to look tired for about another month, month and a half. I had better days and worse days, but overall, I looked tired. Changes in my diet (green smoothies) did help.
And then Critic posted the Tanaka massage... and *that* is when things began to turn around. I don't know, perhaps it was all a matter of timing? That is, perhaps my face would have started looking better on its own from doing facial exercises anyway? That was about the 3 month mark.
Now I can say, things are looking pretty good everywhere else, though I'm continuing watch those NL's. In fact, I am beginning to wonder about the efficacy of facial exercises as they pertain to NL's-- that is, they might help *some*, but not a lot-- or not as much as some other methods (such as Tanaka, or potentially TY). While these resistance programs are great for the eyes & cheeks, it seems that they don't (or can't) directly address the NL area. HTH.
By the way, here is Moonstone's original post:
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Hi Jean, from what I've read at other forums (in Chinese), some people notice a significant improvement at the N/L lines after doing Tanaka's massage for several weeks. Just keep on doing it and I'm sure you will see further positive changes.
You can also check out another Japanese massage which focuses on applying pressure to certain points on the face. It has some huge raves at Japanese forums. There is one particular exercise for the softening of N/L lines.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nzs0H417jUc
This exercise takes less than one min to do and you can repeat it 2-3 times each time!
HTH |
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Also, here's the link to the Tian Yong Rejuvenation system thread:
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=36414 |
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Sat Feb 06, 2010 9:46 pm |
| Zoftig wrote: |
| That's a great idea to use a foam cleaner with the Saeki massage. I'm going to do that and the lotion mask after my Tanaka with oils! |
Well I bought a cheapie foam cleanser from the supermarket but it is so drying I won't use it again.
I was using almond oil and I liked it but it appears we're 'not supposed too!
If we can get this in Australia I might try this
Aveeno Active Naturals® Positively Radiant® Make-Up Removing Cleanser |
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Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:30 pm |
| Zoftig wrote: |
| ......... Both of them are good for the sliding and stopping of the fingers on the facial skin."......... |
This is the best description of Zogan Cream. |
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