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free skin care · Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:27 am

Mariposa - could you share with us which treatments your brother received in Canada and Germany that aren't available in the US?

free skin care · Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:32 am

Another thing I keep thinking is I don't understand why people who are interested in anti aging are trying to introduce more oxygen into their cells. Oxygen causes free radicals, which is what has been said to cause aging.

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Oxygen is essential for life itself. But did you know it is also inherently dangerous to our existence? I call this the "dark side" of oxygen. And as a result, we are essentially rusting both inside and out. The same process that causes a cut apple to turn brown or iron to rust is the cause of all the chronic degenerative diseases we fear and even the aging process itself.

Consider the aging of our skin. Oxidative stress is the cause of wrinkles, sagging skin, and age spots. The next time you are with a large gathering of people of different ages, observe closely the change you see in people’s skin. Aging is a process we all take for granted, but when you look more closely, and compare a baby’s face, to that of a grandparent’s, the effects of our largest organ being exposed to all the pollutants in the air, sunlight, and cigarette smoke is baffling. This aging of the skin is an outward manifestation of "oxidative stress," which is occurring within every cell in your body.

http://www.raystrand.com/oxidative-stress.asp

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What are free radicals?

A free radicals is an oxygen containing molecule that has one or more unpaired electrons, making it highly reactive with other molecules.

Oxygen by-products are relatively unreactive but some of these can undergo metabolism within the biological system to give rise to these highly reactive oxidants. Not all reactive oxygen species are harmful to the body. Some of them are useful in killing invading pathogens or microbes.

However, free radicals can chemically interact with cell components such as DNA, protein or lipid and steal their electrons in order to become stabilized. This, in turn, destabilizes the cell component molecules which then seek and steal an electron from another molecule, therefore triggering a large chain of free radical reactions.

http://www.news-medical.net/health/What-is-Oxidative-Stress.aspx

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Marathon runners deplete vitamins, raise oxidative stress
02/26/2002

CORVALLIS - A recent study from the Linus Pauling Institute at Oregon State University suggests that intense exercise can actually increase oxidative stress in humans, as the body struggles to detoxify free radicals while muscles use oxygen at 100-200 times their normal rate. In continuing research, scientists hope to identify ways to decrease that oxidative stress. The findings could be of value not only to athletes, but also to people suffering from degenerative diseases that increase oxidative stress, and those who are obese, smoke, or are just couch potatoes in lousy shape.

"Everyone knows that there are many health benefits of exercise, but fewer people understand that it can also cause some metabolic damage," said Maret Traber, an associate professor of nutrition and food management and one of the nation's leading experts on the role of vitamin E in human health.

"When running or doing other intense exercise, there's a 10-20 fold increase in whole body oxygen consumption," Traber said. "This can produce reactive oxygen species, which can be harmful, at rates that exceed the body's natural capacity to detoxify them."

http://oregonstate.edu/ua/ncs/archives/2002/feb/marathon-runners-deplete-vitamins-raise-oxidative-stress

Oxidative Stress is what causes Runners Face Syndrome, seen in the photo below. Is that really what you are aiming to look like? She seems like a very nice lady, but she is aging well before her time, due to her marathon runs.

free skin care · Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:14 am

AngelaE8654 wrote:

Another thing I keep thinking is I don't understand why people who are interested in anti aging are trying to introduce more oxygen into their cells. Oxygen causes free radicals, which is what has been said to cause aging.

I also commented about that on the other thread about oxygen facials. I try to eat allot of anti-oxidant foods, I apply anti-oxidants to my skin - and then I go and buy a machine to douse myself with 98% pure oxygen. Doesn't make sense does it?

Plus, what can be natural about trying to dose yourself up with extra oxygen from foreign sources. Surely, our bodies should get all the oxygen they need from the air we breath.

free skin care · Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:50 am

mariposa wrote:

Keliu,
Aprile used the word treatment, not research.
There is a big difference.

Does anyone ever wonder why, after 50 plus years of cancer research, and many many billions of dollars going toward that research, no cure has been found?
I think that is a reasonable question to ponder.

It is a fact that other countries,- Canada, Mexico, Germany, and Switzerland, to name a few,- have cancer treatments that actually heal cancers. Here in the US,those cancers have a 1%
survival rate.

Case in point, my brother, who has stage 4 colon cancer with metastases to the liver and lymph nodes. He has done treatments in Germany and Canada (treatments that are illegal in this country). Another good question to ponder would be why these treatments that are effective in eradicating cancer are illegal in this country. The answer might be that cancer is the most profitable business in this country, bar none!
It doesn't make sense to find a cure for something that is so profitable, does it?!

I have done an inordinate amount of cancer research to help save my brother. There are cancer treatments that really do work to bring a stage 4 cancer victim back to full health. My brother is on that road, working 40 hour weeks, and feeling very good.
The treatments he has been doing have a track record of 80 to 90% survival, as compared to the less than 5% survival rate with traditional chemo in this country. This is a verifiable fact.

Unfortunately, it's a fact that our FDA, insurance companies, and pharmaceutical companies try very hard to keep hidden from the public.

Amen to that.

free skin care · Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:39 am

AngelaE8654 wrote:

aprile wrote:

Btw, I have read taking sodium bicarb internally can also increase oxygen in the body.

I can't even imagine eating baking soda. I've brushed my teeth with it (and you can actually mix it with hydrogen peroxide for a super whitener teeth scrub) but I can't imagine swallowing it. I suspect that sort of "oxygen" would be air bubbles in the stomach causing burping. I was trained in vocal music and learned proper breathing techniques; I rely on my lungs and my bloodstream to disperse the oxygen my body needs. If one wants more oxygen, he or she needs to breath deeply and properly from the (Thoracic) diaphragm and not take "shallow" breaths from the chest. (Make your stomach stick out as you inhale or lay on the floor and put a book on your stomach and raise it as you inhale.) I haven't seen any reputable source that says one can increase oxygen in the body any other way.

Angela - I am not talking about "eating it", I am talking about mixing 1/4 tsp into water and drinking it. It works particularly well to immediately eliminate heartburn. Interesting to note: When Arm & Hammer company introduced the product back in the 20's there were tons of uses, including health uses printed on the side of the box. They FDA put the cabosh on that. As Mariposa stated, the treatments her brother received are illegal in the U.S. I would venture a BIG guess that they cost way less the toxic chemotherapy and radiation, especially given that chemo is $18 THOUSAND dollars a vile, and more importantly - they do no harm. Which makes me ponder why people seeking treatment for most diseases don't even consider that the pharmaceutical industry is a trillion dollar industry!! Why should it be any wonder that the government would conceal information about the terrible odds using conventional treatments? They lie, cover up about so many things!! As for deep breathing... Most people breath shallowly. Now let's compare the healthy person to the typical cancer patient whose body has been depleted and ravaged by treatments and is stressed to the max - that person breathes even more shallowly. It would be pretty tough for them to increase body oxygen in the way you describe. Sodium bicarbonate has been studied for over a decade by Dr. Ralph Moss of University of Arizona. You probably wouldn't consider those sources reputable. However, I am posting a link anyway because this is far easier to read than pubmed articles.

http://articlesofhealth.blogspot.com/2009/08/sodium-bicarbonate-in-prevention-and.html

free skin care · Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:29 am

AngelaE8654 wrote:

Oxidative Stress is what causes Runners Face Syndrome, seen in the photo below. Is that really what you are aiming to look like? She seems like a very nice lady, but she is aging well before her time, due to her marathon runs.

I think I can speak for all of us when I say this is the exact opposite of what we want! Moderation is key. Energetics of all sorts can be taken too far and cause problems. Then again, so can every aspect of life. It's all about balance.

free skin care · Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:31 am

Isn't there already a "cancer" thread? Why are we going so far afield in this thread?

free skin care · Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:35 am

Oh, and let me say, the lady in the picture may have wrinkles but I'll bet her glutes and legs are awesome. It's all a trade off. I choose not to run marathons but those who love it, think it's worth the trade offs. I admire their effort and prefer to cheer them on instead of run with them. Smile

free skin care · Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:49 am

Angela and others.... here are the beginning paragraphs of an article i just researched last week regarding oxidation, H2O2 and free radicals...which supports H2O2's medical ant-aging potential even though it has free radical status...AND ALSO supports a newer theory that high levels of oxidation can slow down the aging process.

"A major blow to the free radical theory of aging, which has lead the research in aging for more than 50 years and fuels a multimillionaire anti-aging industry has just been published by Portuguese scientists from the University of Minho.

According to the theory, free radicals provoke oxidative damage and this is the cause of aging. The new work, however, shows that not only is possible to slow down aging in cells with high levels of oxidation but more, that a free radical (H2O2) is behind the high longevity seen with low caloric diets (a well known method to increase lifespan) turning upside down the way we see anti-aging therapy and research with major implications for the field.

But the results, now published in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences(1), will also affect the study of phenomena as diverse as inflammation, Alzheimer’s disease or cell survival, all processes where free radicals are known to have a role"

so...i think this article may be from 2010...don't remember right now for sure...will provide link info later when i can.

free skin care · Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:56 am

Kassy_A wrote:

Isn't there already a "cancer" thread? Why are we going so far afield in this thread?

True Kassy but there IS a direct coeleration to energizing methods for better health as well, which as you know, manifests itself in a better appearance. Hence the discussion makes sense.
I agree with Jasmine, as I have read the same information. Which goes to prove that new discoveries in science occur all the time, while people for some reason, hang onto old *truths*.

free skin care · Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:05 am

Does anyone know the difference in ozonated water and oxygenated water? Are they the same? I know that adding cell food or vital O has the benefit of the minerals that are included. Aside from that, what is the difference in the oxygen component between ozonating by machine and oxygenating by adding stabilized oxygen?

I looked at this ozonator last night and couldn't figure out which was better, ozonating, or oxygenating with vital O. Any thoughts on this?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001IYQ1LY

free skin care · Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:39 am

Tonia wrote:

Does anyone know the difference in ozonated water and oxygenated water? Are they the same? I know that adding cell food or vital O has the benefit of the minerals that are included. Aside from that, what is the difference in the oxygen component between ozonating by machine and oxygenating by adding stabilized oxygen?

I looked at this ozonator last night and couldn't figure out which was better, ozonating, or oxygenating with vital O. Any thoughts on this?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001IYQ1LY

Ozone is a version of oxygen. Oxygen in the air we breathe is two molecules of oxygen attached together, or O2. Ozone is an ‘activated’ form of oxygen where there are three atoms of oxygen attached together, forming a molecule that is “O3”. Ozone (O3) behaves completely differently than O2. Ozone is far more energetic and oxidative than Oxygen, which is what makes it so valuable to us for so many applications, such as air purification, water purification, and medical ozone therapy applications.

free skin care · Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:44 am

aprile wrote:

Angela - I am not talking about "eating it", I am talking about mixing 1/4 tsp into water and drinking it. It works particularly well to immediately eliminate heartburn. Interesting to note: When Arm & Hammer company introduced the product back in the 20's there were tons of uses, including health uses printed on the side of the box. They FDA put the cabosh on that. As Mariposa stated, the treatments her brother received are illegal in the U.S. I would venture a BIG guess that they cost way less the toxic chemotherapy and radiation, especially given that chemo is $18 THOUSAND dollars a vile, and more importantly - they do no harm. Which makes me ponder why people seeking treatment for most diseases don't even consider that the pharmaceutical industry is a trillion dollar industry!! Why should it be any wonder that the government would conceal information about the terrible odds using conventional treatments? They lie, cover up about so many things!! As for deep breathing... Most people breath shallowly. Now let's compare the healthy person to the typical cancer patient whose body has been depleted and ravaged by treatments and is stressed to the max - that person breathes even more shallowly. It would be pretty tough for them to increase body oxygen in the way you describe. Sodium bicarbonate has been studied for over a decade by Dr. Ralph Moss of University of Arizona. You probably wouldn't consider those sources reputable. However, I am posting a link anyway because this is far easier to read than pubmed articles.

http://articlesofhealth.blogspot.com/2009/08/sodium-bicarbonate-in-prevention-and.html

The reason the FDA put a cabosh on Arm and Hammer printing medical uses for their baking soda is because they are not doctors and it is dangerous, indeed, for people who have not been trained medically to give medical advice. Surely you can see the wisdom in that? Yes, a little baking soda mixed with water can ease heartburn, but that wasn't what you said the "internal use" for the baking soda was:

aprile wrote:

Btw, I have read taking sodium bicarb internally can also increase oxygen in the body.

As far as "most people" breathing shallowly...yes, most people have never been trained not to breath shallowly. However, when a vocalist gets training, proper breathing techniques are the first thing that is taught. Soprano Beverly Sills most likely was a "shallow breather" in her younger years but she certainly wasn't a "shallow breather" when she was performing or she would never have been able to sing the way she did. If vocalists can learn to breath deeply, so can just about everyone else. The "cancer patient" you describe: there has been much talk on this thread about "alternate cures" for cancer in other countries. So you would expect a cancer patient to travel abroad and do whatever it is the "alternate healing technique" is to cure his or her cancer, but teaching the same patient to breath deeply for optimal health is beyond the scope of expectation? Why??

Again, there hasn't been any reputable evidence to prove a non medical lay person can increase oxygen in his or her body any other way than through the lungs and the bloodstream. All the "practices" talked about on these threads purporting to "increase oxygen" in the body or the skin are nothing but theories. The most dangerous speculation thrown around on this thread is that there has been some sort of "cure" or treatment for cancer that is used widely in other countries but for financial purposes, is blocked in the United States. While I don't completely trust the government, it only took a small amount of study to show that this is complete nonsense:

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According to Dr. Stephen Barrett, who writes about health fraud, a researcher from the Dominican Republic claimed that his clinic had used ozone gas to cure thirteen people with cancer. An investigative news group later learned that two of the patients had died of cancer, three could not be found, two refused to be interviewed, three were alive but still had cancer, and in three cases it was not clear that the patients had actually ever had cancer.

Some researchers have studied hydrogen peroxide as an addition to radiation therapy. Although some patients appeared to benefit, many did not. Some laboratory tests have looked at the combined effects of hydrogen peroxide and certain chemotherapy drugs against cancer cells, but it is still too early to tell if this will be of any benefit. According to a review article in CA: A Cancer Journal for Clinicians, attempts to treat patients by injecting hydrogen peroxide directly into solid tumors or into the blood system have generally been ineffective. In one study, mice were injected with glucose oxidase (an enzyme that breaks down glucose, with one of the byproducts being hydrogen peroxide) bound to microspheres, a technique that caused hydrogen peroxide to be released directly at the tumor site. Mice that received injections lived longer than those that did not. The researchers in this study concluded that more research on the use of hydrogen peroxide with other anti-tumor drugs was needed.

In one 2008 study, some experimentally-induced tumors in rabbits disappeared without any treatment, but more disappeared after treatment with ordinary oxygen, and even more disappeared after ozone treatment. In this study, the oxygen and ozone were injected into the rabbits' abdomens (peritoneal space). However, the relevance of such animal-model tumors to cancer in humans remains unclear.

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Are there any possible problems or complications?

The medical literature contains several accounts of patient deaths attributed directly to putting oxygen-releasing substances into the body.

Hydrogen peroxide can be harmful if swallowed, especially the concentrated solutions sold in some health food stores. “Food grade” peroxide is a very strong corrosive solution. It contains 35% hydrogen peroxide, a concentration that is more than ten times stronger than the 3% peroxide approved for use on the skin. Food grade hydrogen peroxide is approved by the FDA to clean food surfaces and for certain bleaching and disinfecting tasks in food production. The FDA requires that any peroxide that might remain in food be broken down into oxygen and water before the food reaches the consumer. Drinking food grade hydrogen peroxide can cause vomiting, severe burns of the throat and stomach, trouble breathing, bleeding in the stomach or intestine, symptoms of stroke, and even death. As it absorbs from the stomach or intestine, it can sometimes form bubbles in the blood vessels and block blood flow to parts of the body or brain. If it gets in the eyes, it can damage the corneas and even cause blindness. Direct skin contact with food grade hydrogen peroxide can cause blistering or burns, and breathing its vapors can cause serious breathing problems up to 72 hours later. Ozone in gas form must be well controlled. Ozone is a strong oxidant capable of damaging cells, and inhaling it can inflame the lungs and tighten airways. This problem is much worse for people with asthma.

Hydrogen peroxide injections can have dangerous side effects. High blood levels of hydrogen peroxide can create oxygen bubbles that block blood flow and cause gangrene and death. Destruction of blood cells has also been reported after intravenous injection of hydrogen peroxide. A few people can also have serious allergic reactions to hydrogen peroxide. A 1993 review article also found some research evidence that too much oxygen in the body's tissues may damage genetic material and promote abnormal growth.

A 2001 review of ozone therapy warned that “The risks of ozone therapy are played down by its proponents. Yet, numerous reports of serious complications, including hepatitis, and at least five fatalities have been reported.” More recently, researchers have called for standard medical ozone treatments and research studies that are safer and less likely to cause serious illness and death. For example, they recommend avoiding direct injection of ozone or ozonated saline (saltwater) into the bloodstream, and suggest careful dosing to reduce the risks.

Women who are pregnant or breastfeeding should not use this method, as its possible effects on a fetus are unknown. Relying on this type of treatment alone and avoiding or delaying conventional medical care for cancer may have serious health consequences.

http://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatmentsandsideeffects/complementaryandalternativemedicine/pharmacologicalandbiologicaltreatment/oxygen-therapy

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Why Are These Potential Benefits Kept Secret?:

As previously mentioned, many believe oxygen therapy to be a sort of "universal" treatment that can have a positive effect on nearly every category of disease. There is certainly a lack of concrete evidence, however, to support these claims, as well as a lack of exposure. Many claim that this is due to the fact that if these treatments were readily exposed to the public, "98% of all the drugs, testing, and disease related surgery" would be rendered obsolete. Moreover, the large hospitals, pharmaceutical industrialists, and insurance companies would certainly have to deal with a fair number of unprecedented economic problems. They claim that this is the future that the world now faces, and that there are many who are trying to protect against it:

This is precisely the situation that exists, and the cure has indeed been around for ages. It has been independently reported effective against virtually every disease at one time or another, in thousands of public-domain medical articles, which had never been collected or correlated until recently. And it is so simple and basic that concealing it from physicians and the general public has required a tremendous smoke screen of artificial complications, and user hostile treatments.

As Dr. Terry McGrath says, "there's simply no economic incentive, since it's an unpatentable process and provides for no real financial gain"

http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psychology/health_psychology/oxygen.htm

Vanderbilt University is home to one of the top Medical Schools in the country.

So no, the medical field in the United States is not "ignoring proven cancer cures for financial gain", as was stated in this thread. Therapies involving oxygen and other gases have been and probably are still being put through rigorous tests:

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Oxygen Therapy: Present and Future:

One can clearly see many changes in the field of oxygen therapy these days as tests are performed every day and theories are rendered beneficial or obsolete. "Originally a mode of treatment largely based on clinical experience, more and more indications are now accepted only on the basis of sound experimental evidence and randomized clinical trials" (Bakker 1992). This is highly beneficial to the medical community because the realities of a very effective treatment are finally coming into the light. Good and bad results come of this, but that is to be expected with any treatment as broad as oxygen therapy. Particularly promising results were arrived at in cancer research, lung disease, and limb trauma. AIDS is a problem that may continue to plague the world for a long time, and it is a bit radical to even "claim" that oxygen therapy can actually cure AIDS. Despite the benefits of oxygen therapy in many illnesses, it is rarely an actual cure for anything. It merely alleviates the problem in many cases or slows the progress of the particular disease. This, however, is better than no positive result at all, and many people stand to benefit a great deal from these treatments in the future.

In the future the many aspects of oxygen therapy will be studied and perfected so that everyone may share its benefits. Among new applications ready to be tested are the "different ways of monitoring and measuring tissue oxygen tensions, hyperbaric lung lavage in pulmonary alveolar proteinosis, the influence of hyperbaric oxygen on cultivated neuroblastoma cell lines in vitro, the influence of hyperbaric oxygen on organ preservation for transplantation purposes, and the influence of hyperbaric oxygen on mycosis and yeasts both in vitro and in vivo" (Bakker 1992). Oxygen therapy is certainly not a "universal" treatment as some claim, but it will most likely make very serious contributions to the medical community in the future.

http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psychology/health_psychology/oxygen.htm

free skin care · Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:52 am

If you ignore everything else in my post above, at least get this part:

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Food grade hydrogen peroxide is approved by the FDA to clean food surfaces and for certain bleaching and disinfecting tasks in food production. The FDA requires that any peroxide that might remain in food be broken down into oxygen and water before the food reaches the consumer.

http://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatmentsandsideeffects/complementaryandalternativemedicine/pharmacologicalandbiologicaltreatment/oxygen-therapy

"Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide" is not to be used for food or for actual consumption by human beings!! It's to be used for cleaning and disinfecting food surfaces.

free skin care · Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:13 am

I have a masters in music and have studied both vocal performance and Flute performance. I know how to breathe properly but the effect on my body is completely different than what I get from aerobic exercise. Aerobic exercise heats my body, makes me swear (oops, I mean sweat), and turns my skin red. Ionized water hydrates while oxygenating. Manipulating the skin brings oxygen to the surface in the form of oxygen rich blood. There are different forms of oxygenating and they each have different effects on the body. There is no one perfect way that should exclude all others. Breathing without exercise is not sufficient, and exercise without breathing will kill you. Shock

Even different types of breathing have different effects. Some types of breathing are relaxing while others are exhilarating. Both are important.

I don't think anyone here is insinuating that breathing should be excluded from cancer treatments, skin health, or from basic health. We are adding to that, not replacing it.

free skin care · Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:15 am

Angela -

I never said that sodium bicarb (baking soda) alone could cure cancer or any other disease. I'm sure that Arm & Hammer's list didn't including curing cancer. Seriously now. Of course, if people want to change their PH there are lots of other methods, all of which need to be monitored by saliva or urine to keep themselves within healthy levels. What is everyone so scared about? Also tell me WHO here is recommending to drink vats of sodium bicarb in water? As far as patients travelling abroad to cure themselves, that could only be possible if they did not submit to the barbaric treatments offered here in the US as the *gold standard*. Anyone who has witnessed an acquaintance, friend or a loved one go through that ordeal knows full well they would hardly be strong enough to make it around the corner, let alone an international flight. All I'm saying is despite what you or others might think about energetic medicine, that doesn't mean it's ineffective or doesn't have a place in medicine. Many times, its used within a specific protcol that includes lot of other things.

I could serriously counter your statement about patients who passed away from these types of treatments to cure themselves of cancer. Don't think for one minute, there aren't groups hired to highlight these stories to put these alternative practitioners out of business or to scare patients. But alas the internet wins. Most people who die from cancer die as a result of the treatments not the cancer itself. In fact, they die from heart failulre, or other cancers that form besides the original cancer they had. But that of course, that will never be listed on their death certificate. You can take that to the bank.

free skin care · Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:39 am

aprile wrote:

Angela -

I never said that sodium bicarb (baking soda) alone could cure cancer or any other disease. I'm sure that Arm & Hammer's list didn't including curing cancer. Seriously now. Of course, if people want to change their PH there are lots of other methods, all of which need to be monitored by saliva or urine to keep themselves within healthy levels. What is everyone so scared about? Also tell me WHO here is recommending to drink vats of sodium bicarb in water? As far as patients travelling abroad to cure themselves, that could only be possible if they did not submit to the barbaric treatments offered here in the US as the *gold standard*. Anyone who has witnessed an acquaintance, friend or a loved one go through that ordeal knows full well they would hardly be strong enough to make it around the corner, let alone an international flight. All I'm saying is despite what you or others might think about energetic medicine, that doesn't mean it's ineffective or doesn't have a place in medicine. Many times, its used within a specific protcol that includes lot of other things.

I could serriously counter your statement about patients who passed away from these types of treatments to cure themselves of cancer. Don't think for one minute, there aren't groups hired to highlight these stories to put these alternative practitioners out of business or to scare patients. But alas the internet wins. Most people who die from cancer die as a result of the treatments not the cancer itself. In fact, they die from heart failulre, or other cancers that form besides the original cancer they had. But that of course, that will never be listed on their death certificate. You can take that to the bank.

Your post is so completely full of misinformation about what I posted I don't even know where to start. First of all, I never said that you said that "sodium bicarb (baking soda) alone could cure cancer or any other disease". Here is what I said:

AngelaE8654 wrote:

The reason the FDA put a cabosh on Arm and Hammer printing medical uses for their baking soda is because they are not doctors and it is dangerous, indeed, for people who have not been trained medically to give medical advice. Surely you can see the wisdom in that? Yes, a little baking soda mixed with water can ease heartburn, but that wasn't what you said the "internal use" for the baking soda was:

aprile wrote:

Btw, I have read taking sodium bicarb internally can also increase oxygen in the body.

Also, you said this:

aprile wrote:

I could serriously counter your statement about patients who passed away from these types of treatments to cure themselves of cancer.

I didn't make any statement of the kind. What was said was this:

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Are there any possible problems or complications?

The medical literature contains several accounts of patient deaths attributed directly to putting oxygen-releasing substances into the body.

And that was a direct quote (and shown to be a quote in my post) taken from one of the sources that I provided the link to:

http://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatmentsandsideeffects/complementaryandalternativemedicine/pharmacologicalandbiologicaltreatment/oxygen-therapy

I can understand that you think you have found some sort of "answer to cancer" in your reading on the internet but if you struggled this much just comprehending what was clearly spelled out in one post of mine, I can understand why you might be mistaken about the literature you have read.

free skin care · Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:21 pm

AngelaE8654 wrote:

Again, there hasn't been any reputable evidence to prove a non medical lay person can increase oxygen in his or her body any other way than through the lungs and the bloodstream. All the "practices" talked about on these threads purporting to "increase oxygen" in the body or the skin are nothing but theories. The most dangerous speculation thrown around on this thread is that there has been some sort of "cure" or treatment for cancer that is used widely in other countries but for financial purposes, is blocked in the United States. at this is complete nonsense:

Angela,
Are you absolutely sure that what you say above is true? Have you done extensive research, looking at Pub Med abstracts and studies?
Have you talked to doctors who use oxidative therapy daily in their practices?

I am not going to list sources and studies and explanations because it is fruitless. We each believe what we believe, and I think people are, for the most part, entrenched and holding on tightly to their beliefs, in other words, not open to the possibility that there might be something out there that is beyond their scope of awareness and understanding.

One reason one doesn't see much "proof" about oxidative therapies and other therapies that are not mainstream, is because there is no money to do the clinical studies, which are outrageously expensive. The studies and trials one reads about are funded by the government, for the most part.

My husband who is a doctor, works in a clinic which uses oxidative therapies - ozone and hydrogen peroxide. I hear success stories often about patients who get better. I also have done alot of ozone therapy and know how much it oxygenates my body.....one, my face and hands turn bright pink from the increased oxygenation.
Two, my energy has increased to the point that, in my workouts, I've had to work alot harder to get my heart rate up because of the added oxygen in my body. And three, I have felt alot better.

I respect the opinions here, and also think it's important to have one's opinions backed up thoroughly, if one is going to make blanket statements about such a huge topic.

free skin care · Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:35 pm

Okay Angela, perhaps I am reading through the lines as to what you are trying to communicate then. Honestly, this wouldn't be the first time that we disagreed about something here on the forum. Hmm, but you did after all invoke the *widom* of Quackwatch Doc - Stephen Barrett, who is without a doubt trying to bebunk all the alternative therapies for cancer that he can find. Correct me if I’m wrong about that. He even debunked Dr. Stanislaw R. Burzynski whose therapy was FDA approved (although they’re still trying to get him because his therapy works!) Below will show the message he’s trying to deliver from his own site: Oh yeah he’s not trying to scare anyone from using alternative methods. UGH.

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The figure below comes from a misleading comic book designed to undermine public trust in conventional methods.

Go here for the photo:

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/cancer.html

Btw, I am not promoting any specific protocol, nor have I discovered the *cure* for cancer on the internet. But I definitely believe there are some truly valid “do no harm protocols” that make more sense in addressing the *cause* of cancer, rather than attacking it guns ablazin’ with chemicals. As for your comment:

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As for the “The "cancer patient" you describe: there has been much talk on this thread about "alternate cures" for cancer in other countries. So you would expect a cancer patient to travel abroad and do whatever it is the "alternate healing technique" is to cure his or her cancer, but teaching the same patient to breath deeply for optimal health is beyond the scope of expectation? Why??

That is why I made the comment about the how could the cancer patient who received any of these awful treatments even travel abroad?

But, it wasn't even me who mentioned a patient who had been cured by going abroad... that was Mariposa's brother. So we see, we are all a bit confused. Perhaps these discussions should really be removed from this thread. As Kassy so aptly pointed out, there already is a cancer thread.

free skin care · Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:42 pm

Excellent post Mariposa. Where does your hubby practice? I would love to have one of those treatments! I highly doubt it's in New York though. We are soooo backward here.

free skin care · Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:50 pm

Mariposa, I have been researching ozone water. Thank you for telling us about it. How much do you drink in a day? It seems that you would need to start off slowly but I'm not finding that anywhere.

free skin care · Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:50 pm

Mariposa,

I said:

AngelaE8654 wrote:

there hasn't been any reputable evidence to prove a non medical lay person can increase oxygen in his or her body any other way than through the lungs and the bloodstream

And then you go on and on about doctors and clinics and the like. What does a doctor or a medical clinic as well as "Pub Med abstracts and studies" or me talking to doctors have to do with a non medical lay person increasing oxygen in his or her own body?? One of the articles I linked to showed that there had been positive outcomes in some cases using gases for medical purposes!!

Again, this is a case of the reader not comprehending what they had read correctly. And I would point out that it is dangerous, indeed, to go ahead with practices that can be harmful or fatal on ones own without medical advice. I understand that posters here appear to believe that the entire United States Medical Community and the government is interested in money and nothing but money, based on statements like this:

aprile wrote:

As Mariposa stated, the treatments her brother received are illegal in the U.S. I would venture a BIG guess that they cost way less the toxic chemotherapy and radiation, especially given that chemo is $18 THOUSAND dollars a vile, and more importantly - they do no harm. Which makes me ponder why people seeking treatment for most diseases don't even consider that the pharmaceutical industry is a trillion dollar industry!! Why should it be any wonder that the government would conceal information about the terrible odds using conventional treatments? They lie, cover up about so many things!!

However, the explanation is actually simpler and less nefarious than all of that. The explanation is that when a therapy is introduced, it is studied extensively and the results of the studies are presented to peer groups (not lay people) before any actual testing is done on human beings. When the testing is done on human beings, it's usually done through a double blind placebo controlled study and then the results of that study are presented to medical peer groups. Gas therapies are being tested in the United States; however the 'positive outcome' articles all appear to be dated and the linked sources no longer available. No, I don't think Uncle Sam created a massive cover up. I suspect that the therapies using gas could not be proven to actually cure particular diseases in most, if not all, cases. In any case, when a particular theory has passed the rigorous testing necessary to ensure that it works and that people will not actually be harmed or killed using the therapy, it will be available to the general public through their healthcare provider. No, I don't believe doctors are perfect, but I believe that most doctors (even U.S. practitioners) have their patients' best interests at heart.

P.S. Some of the "substances" readers here are swearing by have supposedly had "peer reviewed studies":

sistersweets wrote:

ASG is publishing research results and studies in the coming month in a journal called "Water". It is the first of many articles up for publication. These are peer-reviewed studies and are validated with independent research labs. Jim Kasz has numerous ph.d's - research scientists and chemists on his team.
Like any facet of science - Everything in science is new and undiscovered at some point... UNTIL it is.

However, this is not adequate testing for medical claims!! And who are these "peers"? Peers of what? I can find no evidence showing that Jim Kaszyk, behind ASG, is a medical doctor. Remember what happened with the "diet sprinkles" Sensa? The FTC sued Sensa for $26 MILLION DOLLARS for false advertising claims. Dr. Alan Hirsch, who is behind Sensa, is an actual medical doctor, too!!

Quote:

The FTC charged that the product had no clinical evidence to support it and cited major flaws with Hirsch's research, including the lack of placebo controls.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/health/ct-met-sensa-weight-loss-hirsch-20140119,0,7412554.story

free skin care · Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:18 pm

Just a P.S. to my post above (since I can no longer edit it): If we are going to point fingers at the U.S. Government and Medical Community for "money grubbing" then in all fairness we need to look at someone like Jim Kaszyk who is selling his product for a profit before having proper studies done to see if it works. A proper study on human beings for medical purposes is a double blind, placebo controlled study with the results of the study published to doctors for their review. Anti Aging is a very large portion of the "medical pie", too and claims about anti aging controlled by the FDA.

From the FDA:

Quote:

There are numerous skin care products on the market with exaggerated "anti aging" claims which cause the products to be unapproved new drugs. Examples of such claims are that the products "counteract," "retard," or "control" the aging process. Claims that the product will "rejuvenate," "repair," or "restructure" the skin may also be drug claims. A claim such as "molecules absorb and expand, exerting upward pressure to 'lift' wrinkles upward" is a claim for an inner structural change that would usually cause a product to be a drug.

http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cms_ia/importalert_188.html

I would seriously look at what you think is an okay practice before pointing fingers at the Medical Community and the Government for "money grubbing" as making a profit on "hope in a spray bottle" doesn't appear to me to be any better.

free skin care · Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:34 pm

AngelaE8654 wrote:

Quote:

there hasn't been any reputable evidence to prove a non medical lay person can increase oxygen in his or her body any other way than through the lungs and the bloodstream

And then you go on and on about doctors and clinics and the like. What does a doctor or a medical clinic as well as "Pub Med abstracts and studies" or me talking to doctors have to do with a non medical lay person increasing oxygen in his or her own body?? One of the articles I linked to showed that there had been positive outcomes in some cases using gases for medical purposes!!

You're right, Angela. You were talking about lay people, I was talking about professionals. I was merely wanting to point out that it is possible to raise one's oxygen levels other than through the lungs.

The only other thing I will say about this is that I have raised my oxygen levels without the aid of a doctor here at home,by using ozone. So I do know it's possible.

Before we all get our panties in a bunch,I am going to respectfully agree to disagree. My truth works for me, and I hope yours works for you. It is clear that we will never see eye to eye on this subject. It boils down to our individual choices in what we want and thus choose to believe . (which is directly influenced by how much we buy into the system and what the media and powers that be feed us.

free skin care · Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:43 pm

Tonia wrote:

Mariposa, I have been researching ozone water. Thank you for telling us about it. How much do you drink in a day? It seems that you would need to start off slowly but I'm not finding that anywhere.

I drink between 1 and 2 quarts a day. You're right. It's wise to start slowly when introducing ozone into the body, since it is detoxifying. Reactions from detoxifying too quickly can be very unpleasant. Parasites - bacteria, viruses, fungi etc. are mostly anaerobic, so when oxygen is introduced, they die. Their death and all the poisons they emit when dying make us feel really bad, till it all gets out of the body. So go slowly in the beginning.

With my ozone generator it takes 10 minutes to ozonate 500 mls. You should be able to smell and taste the ozone in the water, when it is sufficiently ozonated.

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