Tanaka Facial Massage (bone, muscle & lymph drainage)
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free skin care · Fri May 28, 2010 9:35 am

eurydice666 wrote:

Dear forum members,

I have started the Tanaka massage three days ago. My primary concerns are the nasal labial folds and the sagging lower face. While doing the facial massage I applied a moderate amount of pomegranate seed oil and a German cream named "celerit plus". On the second day of the massage, I felt a burning on my face with some redness and dryness. On the third day the skin becomes flaky and more dry resembling a sun-burn. This is bizarre since I have an oily skin and do not suffer from such conditions.

Another peculiarity, however, is that the nasal fold line on my right cheek seems to fade, although the one on the left remains intact.

I am curious now; has anyone experienced such dryness? Do you think it might be the massage, and/or the oil causing the burning effect? Should I continue the massage considering the fact that it has had a positive impact on the line in the right part of my face even in three days?

btw; English is not my primary language, sorry for possible grammatical/language mistakes.

Hi, your English is great!
Have you used the cream and oil before? Maybe temporarily drop the massage and just use the cream for one week then the oil and see what happens. If there's no dryness with either then it could be the cream and/or oil in combination with the massage or just the massage alone. Tanaka is potent and has had some negative effects on some of us. My spot-fest problem was sorted out by stopping the use of oil with the massage.
BTW some oils can be very drying to the skin so my bet is that it's the pomegranate seed oil.

Sat May 29, 2010 2:32 am

This is Miranda,

Thank you for your response. No, I did not use the oil and creme together before. I'll follow your advice. Thanks again.

free skin care · Sun Jun 06, 2010 12:50 pm

Did any of you practiced the Tanaka while having facial fillers? As I am still not pretty enough I am planning to get some injections into NLs and under eye hollows, but I do not want to give up Tanaka. Still, I am not sure if I would massage the Resylane away. That would not be very cost effective.

free skin care · Wed Jun 09, 2010 1:50 am

Hi

I've been lurking a while (I think this is my first post?!), reading this thread with great interest.

I tried the Tanaka in December, having bought Jurlique oil to use with the massage. After a week, I came out in spots. I left the massage until the spots cleared then tried again, this time with a different slip agent. Spots again. I gave up again.

However, the memory of the 'glow' didn't leave me - I really wanted to be able to do this massage. I decided to give it one last try - this time using a copper serum after washing my face, then following it with emu-rosehip oil for the massage. Viola!! I've been doing it for a month now, and not a single pimple or acne!! Very Happy

So - I just thought I'd pass that along in case anyone else is struggling with the spot problem.

K

free skin care · Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:33 pm

I really like doing this massage, it reminds me of some of the techniques I learned in massage school years ago, but had filed away somewhere in my memory bank. I've been using Cetaphil moisturizer cream when doing it. Cetaphil seems to really work well on my skin; and the massage helps with sinus pain I've been having Cool

Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:19 pm

I am also concerned that facial exercise and massage will make my already thin face even more gaunt. I am looking for something which will help create fullness and decrease and/or prevent the look of hollow cheeks.

Thank you to all for posting - this forum is wonderful. (And now I don't have to discuss this stuff with my husband, who already thinks I'm nuts!)

free skin care · Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:00 am

Shandy many of the facial exercises are meant to fill the face out not slim it down necessarily. Tanaka seems to emphasize mobilizing fat from the facial areas but many facial exercise - particularly resistance training is designed to build rather than thin down muscles.
You would need to emphasize some exercises more than others - but we all have to individualize what is best. For our face!!!!

free skin care · Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:13 am

Shandy, just to add to Sister Sweet's post, there was a thread dedicated to those of us with gaunt faces called 'plumping a gaunt face' (see link below) where facial exercises and other things were discussed.
I personally have had no problem with Tanaka and my naturally gaunt/angular face shape and I've also been doing 'mild' facial exercises for 6 years.

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?tid=37379

free skin care · Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:02 am

Just so you know Shandy - Miranda has a lovely face shape!!!! The link she gave you should be helpful. Tanaka and facial exercise have worked out okay for her Very Happy

. With some checking around you should be able to put together a program that will work for your face. Good luck.

free skin care · Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:23 am

I just read this on the Green Smoothy blog.

In his book Food Combining Made Easy, Dr. Herbert Shelton explains that starchy foods have to be eaten alone because starches are digested with enzymes different from those used for any other food group. Combining starchy foods with fruit may cause fermentation and gas. Dr. Shelton has found that combining green vegetables with every food group produces favorable results.
I see several benefits in adding greens to other foods. For example, besides having high nutritional value, greens contain a lot of fiber. The fiber in the greens slows down the absorption of sugar from fruit. This quality makes drinking green smoothies possible, even for people with high sensitivity to sugar, such as those who have diabetes, candida, or hypoglycemia.
Vegetables such as carrots, beets, broccoli, zucchini, daikon radish, cauliflower, cabbage, brussels sprouts, eggplant, pumpkin, squash, okra, peas, corn, green beans, and others do not combine well with fruit due to their high starch content. While these vegetables are nutritious and beneficial for our health, their high starch content makes them unsuitable for use in smoothies.
If you do not want to mix sweet fruit into your green smoothies, you can use nonstarchy vegetables such as tomatoes, cucumbers, bell peppers, avocados, celery, and others. You can also consider using low–glycemic index fruit such as berries (any kind), apples, cherries, plums, and grapefruit.

Is this right that you should not combine starchy veggies with fruit? I have am hyperthyroid and can not use alot of the veggies in my green smoothie. So, I use carrots as one of the veggies along with lettuce and celery, cucumbers and several different kind of fruits. So this mentions not using carrots. Right?

free skin care · Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:19 am

Hi,

I remember seeing a Japanese Youtube video about some acupressure-style massage. It was done by a young male beautician star. I just do not remember, which thread I found it in. Anybody remembers? I am ready to read it through again unless I know which it was.

free skin care · Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:28 am

Sycamore, I know the one you're talking about. I think Hermosa made a list of all the links in one of her posts either on this thread or the 'anyone heard of bone massage' one.
If you do a search for Hermosa and tanaka or bone massage, you may find it.

On different point, another good aspect of the Tanaka massage is that you learn alot about your face.
I can immediately feel when my face is bloated or if I've lost/gained some weight on it. I've just invested in a Facial Flex and can already feel a firmness in my cheeks.
Feeling your face on a daily basis is a great way to gauge what is going on (I firmly believe that mirrors and cameras do lie!!)

free skin care · Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:39 am

Thanks, Miranda!

You are right about feeling the face.

I always take photos of myself from the very same very unflattering angle to see the progress:). And there is some.

Tanaka is great, this acupressure stuff is very good too. I do it from memory, I just wanted to check the right pressing points.

These two methods plus the green smoothies and dry brushing did much more to my face than facial exercising. I am very surprised though. More and more I believe in these Japanese beauty gurus.

free skin care · Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:48 pm

I did not have good night sleep for a few days last week, woke at 3am or 4am, looked horrible in the mirror so did tanaka massage with more repetitions. I thought I look OK after the massage, but I got the photos that I took that 2 days from a conference, the photographer took many pics for me, I was shock to see them today! Besides tired, I look old and my face is fatter than usual.

I do believe that sleeping is more important than anything in our beauty routine.

Wed Jun 16, 2010 6:54 pm

critic wrote:

I did not have good night sleep for a few days last week, woke at 3am or 4am, looked horrible in the mirror so did tanaka massage with more repetitions. I thought I look OK after the massage, but I got the photos that I took that 2 days from a conference, the photographer took many pics for me, I was shock to see them today! Besides tired, I look old and my face is fatter than usual.

I do believe that sleeping is more important than anything in our beauty routine.

I'll never forget something that happened a few years ago, I had a rough night with a family argument, couldn't sleep, and stayed up all night watching videos. Finally around 6 a.m. I went to bed, and before that while washing up looked in the mirror and was AGHAST at how I looked, like 15 years older. That memory is seered in my mind!

free skin care · Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:57 am

I have to sleep 8 hours usually, but sometimes I get only 6. And it interestingly happens that I look less tired that day, but the next one, when I make up for the lost hours, I look terrible.

free skin care · Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:34 am

I'm the same Sycamore!
In Italy, we off-load the children onto the grandparents so I get to regularly sleep 8-10 hours each night and I look rubbish!! Puffy face, eyes and nose! (This is when the Tanaka is invaluable.) And I constantly get asked if I'm tired. Confused

Here I get normally 7-8 but if I go out or have a sick child and have 4-5 hours - even if it's continuous for a number of nights, I also look better (according to others). Weird isn't it?

free skin care · Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:49 pm

I too look more puffy if I sleep more than 7 hours. My norm is 6-7 ours (usually 6) and anything over that makes me look deformed (swollen eyes and face). Yuck!! Confused

However, if I go for days with less than 6 hours/night, I look like I'm 100 years old Rolling Eyes

.

ETA: I do feel that Tanaka makes my face look better, swollen or not.

free skin care · Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:42 pm

I will start a new Korean program, which takes 10 mins/day. I have not studied the details, will keep you post.

free skin care · Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:12 am

Critic,
I am really curious. I do everything that was posted here and the on the Japanese bone massage thread (acupressure, the Japanese mini massage by the young aesthetician) and they are all fantastic, they add more and more to Tanaka. These Eastern techniques are far the best, much better than facial exercises actually.

free skin care · Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:32 am

I'm not so sure I agree with you, but I do think like most things variety is the spice of life.

What always gets me curious though is that there is very little in English about them, and wondering when they will get round to putting them in English.

Also there is very little actually written about where the techniques come from. For instance with Tanaka, obviously she has worked in the business for many years and developed her own stuff, but I would be fasincated to know what she did and where she learned parts from.

Sycamore wrote:

Critic,
I am really curious. I do everything that was posted here and the on the Japanese bone massage thread (acupressure, the Japanese mini massage by the young aesthetician) and they are all fantastic, they add more and more to Tanaka. These Eastern techniques are far the best, much better than facial exercises actually.

free skin care · Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:57 am

You are right, TheresaMary, although these Eastern methods really made a difference to my eye circles and NL folds unlike anything else. And I do not think that pushing my face a couple of times in the morning at different points could make any harm.

free skin care · Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:40 am

Sycamore wrote:

These Eastern techniques are far the best, much better than facial exercises actually.

I sort of agree as my face reacts positively (well now the spot issue is sorted!) to the Tanaka massage. But I can see from your 'signature' that you do Ageless; if that's the only facial exercise regime you do, I don't think it's accurate to say the Eastern techniques are better than facial exercises. There are so many more FE techniques out there and many you have to do for years but they do have an undeniable positive effect if they are done correctly.
It didn't work out for me doing Ageless but then I've been doing Eva Fraser's FE's for 6 years (much milder).
I personally love the combination of 3mins of facial exercise then a 3 minute massage. And I know that if my chin/neck starts looking dodgy, two weeks of 50 'kiss the ceiling', 3 times a week sorts that out like nothing else!

free skin care · Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:48 am

Well, here is my latest pic:

http://s794.photobucket.com/albums/yy221/zsuzsapiros/

I actually stopped facial exercising some weeks ago and my face reacted well. I still have circles and NLs, but the rest of my face is much more relaxed.

free skin care · Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:57 am

The Korean one claims it can solve all problems in 10 mins, including reducing wrinkles, double-chin, dark circles, lift up your face, brightening the skin etc. almost cover all the problems that we have discussed in the forum.

The writer is in beauty business for 20+ years, she graduated from International Dermal Institute. It is a combination of detox and Chinese massage.

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