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Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:21 am  |
I started this thread some time ago, but regret doing so now because the original aim of the thread was to get recent up to date photos of all the program creators out there. Sad to say at the time no one was forth coming with their photos from any of the facial exercise programs. About 3 months after Tom Haggerty posted a photo on his site, but none of the others did, and whats interesting is that poor Tom got a lot of negative feedback which I was absolutely mortified by, and so it kind of made more sense to me why there was a reluctance to do so. I know at a MBS festival back in the late 90’s Eva Fraser was there who I adore, and think is a wonderful example of what facial exercises can do and someone went to take a shot of her and she hid like mad. That made no sense to me, but then her colleague explained that Eva hated having her photo taken. So it seems that even the pros and experts dislike it too.
However for what its worth, I must add that none of the other facial exercise program creators did so. Carole Maggio, Carolyn Cleaves, Cynthia Rowland etc – no one. So instead of using this as a lynchpin for Deb, I would say its rather symbolic of all the facial exercise program creators out there. I’ve not even seen recent photos of Rose Hans Trans of Facial Yoga or Gary of Happy Face Yoga too. This thread got muscled in by someone who I do not get on well and so I’ve tried to remain as far away as possible from it because I don’t enjoy this person, or their negative sayings. Yet it seems that this thread has become another excuse for the individual to try to bash Flex Effect (yet again I might add and the evidence is clear for all to see on this very forum).
CookieD – I know at first glance what you mean, but then have to say I’ve had experiences with someone on this very thread who has a knack or talent for overly criticising. Whilst she does indeed share her own photographs at the drop of a hat, she isn’t actually the creator of any program that I know of, and so it does her no harm in sharing her own photos because she’s not in a business or needing to sell a product so if she posts a bad photo its no harm to her, but if someone else does shes more than happy to knit pick at the photos.
Deb sorry I dropped you in it - I forget you were doing an exercise to help someone out - that part went out of my memory but glad you are not upset with me. I wouldn't have posted without checking with you I swear (although I note some others would have done so). |
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 6:00 am |
| TheresaMary wrote: |
I started this thread some time ago, but regret doing so now because the original aim of the thread was to get recent up to date photos of all the program creators out there. Sad to say at the time no one was forth coming with their photos from any of the facial exercise programs. About 3 months after Tom Haggerty posted a photo on his site, but none of the others did, and whats interesting is that poor Tom got a lot of negative feedback which I was absolutely mortified by, and so it kind of made more sense to me why there was a reluctance to do so. I know at a MBS festival back in the late 90’s Eva Fraser was there who I adore, and think is a wonderful example of what facial exercises can do and someone went to take a shot of her and she hid like mad. That made no sense to me, but then her colleague explained that Eva hated having her photo taken. So it seems that even the pros and experts dislike it too.
However for what its worth, I must add that none of the other facial exercise program creators did so. Carole Maggio, Carolyn Cleaves, Cynthia Rowland etc – no one. So instead of using this as a lynchpin for Deb, I would say its rather symbolic of all the facial exercise program creators out there. I’ve not even seen recent photos of Rose Hans Trans of Facial Yoga or Gary of Happy Face Yoga too. This thread got muscled in by someone who I do not get on well and so I’ve tried to remain as far away as possible from it because I don’t enjoy this person, or their negative sayings. Yet it seems that this thread has become another excuse for the individual to try to bash Flex Effect (yet again I might add and the evidence is clear for all to see on this very forum).
CookieD – I know at first glance what you mean, but then have to say I’ve had experiences with someone on this very thread who has a knack or talent for overly criticising. Whilst she does indeed share her own photographs at the drop of a hat, she isn’t actually the creator of any program that I know of, and so it does her no harm in sharing her own photos because she’s not in a business or needing to sell a product so if she posts a bad photo its no harm to her, but if someone else does shes more than happy to knit pick at the photos.
Deb sorry I dropped you in it - I forget you were doing an exercise to help someone out - that part went out of my memory but glad you are not upset with me. I wouldn't have posted without checking with you I swear (although I note some others would have done so). |
When this thread was started on June 21, 2012 and on that very day Cynthia Rowland had responded with information of where her most recent photos could be found. And by the next day's dawning here in the US, Carole Maggio and Carolyn Cleaves had also written stating where their most recent photos can be found. Here's the evidence taken from page 1 of this thread:
| TheresaMary wrote: |
OK first response and its got to get credit for that was from Cynthia Rowland:
Theresa, there are photos on the site, on youtube and many other places of my face, including video. Just go to the site and watch the videos that were compiled in the last few months.
I just had headshots done here in NYC and they, too, will be posted in the next week or so…no photoshopping allowed!
One more thing…I do not have nasal labial folds, my eye lids are tight and taut, my chin is also very tight and there is no sagging in my face. I’m the founder of Facial Magic and have been faithfully following instructions for over 20 years.
Cynthias site is:
http://www.cynthiarowland.com/
and her before/afters section is here:
http://www.cynthiarowland.com/facial-magic/before-and-after.php |
| TheresaMary wrote: |
Not got lot of time to talk, but wanted to say I've had responses from Carolyn Cleaves, Carole Maggio and Deborah Crowley.
Carolyn Cleaves said:
Greetings! I have to say I’m a bit confused. Most all of us have recent video clips of ourselves that have been posted on YouTube and/or our websites. I have recently posted The Brush – http://www.carolynsfacialfitness.com/the-brush- and more recently, the Face Firmer – http://www.carolynsfacialfitness.com/face-firmer-massage-technique - . Deb Crowley has a recent YouTube video clip showing her flawless skin and Cynthia Rowland has many recent video clips showing her beautiful face, as well. Carole Maggio and Tonya Z have a barrage of video clips on the web and you can follow their aging process and see how “good” they look and how well their programs have personally worked for them over the years. Eva Fraser, in her eighties has interviews on the tele in the UK (find them on YouTube) and we just can’t hide the build of our faces or the quality of our skin when somebody else is taking the pictures. The lighting and camera angle of my own interview on the Australian Today show http://www.carolynsfacialfitness.com/today-show-clip was completely out of my control.
I suppose I could take a frame out of any of my recent video clips and post it on my website, but somehow isn’t a moving picture of us more revealing? You can put any of these clips up on a big-screen TV and scrutinize the heck out of us, if you wish. Can’t hide in a video clip, yes?
Carole Maggio said:
Dear Theresa,
In my monthly newsletter I do print such photos. Are you receiving my newsletters? If you would like to go to facercise.com and sign up and you will get a monthly copy. The pictures I receive are from clients worldwide wanting to share their experience with us. Such as the video clip on my website from Sharon Martin who says she had to stop doing my lips exercises because her lips were entering the room before she was. I have been teaching Facercise since 1981 and have written 4 books and three DVD kits. My books have been printed in many languages so I get to hear from a large cross section of people. My books are even printed in Iran where they had to use a male model because of their beliefs.
My recent picture can be seen under About Carole on my website and in that section there is a video clip from CBS news taken last year where you can see me live which is better than a picture. In my newest book printed last year there are also client pictures.
Deb Crowley
Hi Theresa,
Way ahead of you... was planning on doing just that... it's been 2 yrs since last photo (video) I'll also do close-up / no makeup again
So to me looks like we may see some new photos soon! |
Also it is rather laughable that any time BS is called out, crying victim seems to be the response. I have not written a lie in this thread. I've stated facts and simply asked for the same thing that other trainers were asked for. Then pointed out BS when it was sold to me. I find it laughable that this OP can talk all she wants about other trainers but let anyone state facts about Flex Effect or point out holes in something her beloved Deb Crowley has said...and she turns it around into something it is not.
I called the OP out on this bias a while back and she wrongly accused me of playing the same games. Because I don't post anything I cannot back up, I brought out evidence to show she is guilty of the crime she accuses others of and that she was wrong about me. I dared her to prove me wrong. She couldn't and it shut her up. I then referred to this thread and asked her why it is she is always whining about other trainers falling short of their expectations yet she seems to give Deb a pass and asked if she would follow up. Again she didn't have a response.
I don't know any other person on EDS even those who have been here longer than I have who has given ALL face exercise programs praise at one time or another, by posting positive results they have produced as I have. I'm not going to stop telling of MY negative experiences but it doesn't mean I can't give credit where it's due if there is something positive to be said. So this nonsense of me having an agenda needs to stop.
And what sort of backward logic is that?  That if I had a program to sell I'd post my photos less. How the heck does that in any way make sense? How would that show I believed in what I'm selling? If anything, considering how well face exercises work, if I had a program, I'd probably be putting videos out as often as I could. The idea being to show people the continuous good results a program I created is giving. To me not wanting to show your face then expecting people to believe that your product continues to give good results is wishful thinking. I mean, it's not like photos aren't taken during family events and such so if really there wasn't anything to hide, then even a holiday celebration photo with everyone else cropped out would suffice.
As for Eva not wanting her photo taken by a stranger, is that so unusual? I mean, she isn't afraid to be filmed for a TV show or to take her own photos and have them posted, so clearly she isn't hiding anything. But why in the name of all sanity would anyone let a stranger take her photo? I think she has a right to want to have ownership of her photos and videos. But to have some nobody come and snap your pic without knowing what they are going to do with it? Heck naw! Even many celebrities are not fond of it being done to them...unless they are the Kardashians.
As for Tom getting negative feedback, I don't know where that was but Tom must know whoever had anything negative to say is full of whatchumightcallit because he recently made Youtube videos to demonstrate an exercise so he's proud of how he looks and rightly so! I wonder why Tom wasn't contacted in the OP? Anyway, his recently uploaded videos are upthread so even he delivered albeit indirectly.
I'm sorry but the truth of the matter is of the face exercise program founders contacted, 4 of them responded within a day or so and only one of those 4, to date, hasn't shown any photos or videos that are not over 3 years old. Steve did post later in the thread and have someone help him post Loulou's photos as it was he who was contacted but they have since disappeared. So I don't know why the pretense that Deb is being picked on unfairly. She doesn't have to post her photos if she doesn't want to, but there's no need for all the extra fluff. Just say no and be done with it. It's no that serious...but I just had to call it as I saw it. Exercising my freedom of speech and whatnot. |
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 6:43 am |
Turns it around into something it? Really, pot and kettle springs to mind here.
The photos that I was directed to on Cynthia Rowlands site were not recent photos, and were taken in studio lighting etc. You just have to read people noticed that and mentioned the lighting differences in the before and afters so try that one again.
Now as to Carolyn Cleeves, the only things recommended to me were videos where she is wearing makeup (obvious) and its done under studio lighting. Doesn’t detract from results you may say, but to me it most certainly does.
Eva Fraser the last tv clip I saw of her was on this morning, and whilst I still think she is one of the oldest and greatest examples of what facial exercises can do – it again was unders studio lighting, and what was interesting was that after that appearance there were comments on a UK forum about the presenters who did the show with saying that her makeup etc on the tv hide a variety of things that in their opinion made her look old. Not my personal opinion, I didn’t see her on that show in real life, but I have seen her at expos.
So someone wants to shut me up – well they keep trying and you got to give them that determination. The poster who seems to want to war with everyone, and is doing so in other threads which is obvious. Given all facial exercises praise – ha ha, that made me laugh. Don’t forget the doggy program which ruined her face beyond repair until she found the magical one that solves everything (even when people complain of bad results).
An agenda that needs to stop – you bet it does, because it’s the same old same old that never changes. Even when its remarked that that stuff doesn’t appear to happen any longer, or that there is support of other trainers available – which there wasn’t at that time - we still hear how it ruined and permanently damaged the face, until you found the magical program. If she ever officially purchased the program (which I doubt as she’s never been able to prove it so far to anyone’s understanding)
As for Eva, you obviously don’t know her and have never asked her about her fear of photos! I am in favour of program creators posting photos as encouragement (hell that was why I started this thread) but when they receive nasty feedback its understandable to me why they don’t and the berating of someone here is obvious for all to see. Tom is a lovely gentleman who has patience, and many other virtues as well as being an excellent example of what facial exercises can do and I’ve never seen him dismiss anyone elses program, and he offers his for free. However I have seen people negatively comment on photos of not only creators but people who have followed a program and gotten results – so I can entirely understand why they don’t want to share photos.
There is a vast difference between freedom of speech (which I’m actually all for) and the difference between going after someone and negatively commenting and taking over threads that they have posted. |
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:24 am |
| TheresaMary wrote: |
Turns it around into something it? Really, pot and kettle springs to mind here.
The photos that I was directed to on Cynthia Rowlands site were not recent photos, and were taken in studio lighting etc. You just have to read people noticed that and mentioned the lighting differences in the before and afters so try that one again.
Now as to Carolyn Cleeves, the only things recommended to me were videos where she is wearing makeup (obvious) and its done under studio lighting. Doesn’t detract from results you may say, but to me it most certainly does.
Eva Fraser the last tv clip I saw of her was on this morning, and whilst I still think she is one of the oldest and greatest examples of what facial exercises can do – it again was unders studio lighting, and what was interesting was that after that appearance there were comments on a UK forum about the presenters who did the show with saying that her makeup etc on the tv hide a variety of things that in their opinion made her look old. Not my personal opinion, I didn’t see her on that show in real life, but I have seen her at expos.
So someone wants to shut me up – well they keep trying and you got to give them that determination. The poster who seems to want to war with everyone, and is doing so in other threads which is obvious. Given all facial exercises praise – ha ha, that made me laugh. Don’t forget the doggy program which ruined her face beyond repair until she found the magical one that solves everything (even when people complain of bad results).
An agenda that needs to stop – you bet it does, because it’s the same old same old that never changes. Even when its remarked that that stuff doesn’t appear to happen any longer, or that there is support of other trainers available – which there wasn’t at that time - we still hear how it ruined and permanently damaged the face, until you found the magical program. If she ever officially purchased the program (which I doubt as she’s never been able to prove it so far to anyone’s understanding)
As for Eva, you obviously don’t know her and have never asked her about her fear of photos! I am in favour of program creators posting photos as encouragement (hell that was why I started this thread) but when they receive nasty feedback its understandable to me why they don’t and the berating of someone here is obvious for all to see. Tom is a lovely gentleman who has patience, and many other virtues as well as being an excellent example of what facial exercises can do and I’ve never seen him dismiss anyone elses program, and he offers his for free. However I have seen people negatively comment on photos of not only creators but people who have followed a program and gotten results – so I can entirely understand why they don’t want to share photos.
There is a vast difference between freedom of speech (which I’m actually all for) and the difference between going after someone and negatively commenting and taking over threads that they have posted. |
All my posts are available for viewing including the one in the Lounge being referred to. Folks can read every exchange I have had with OP and all my posts for that matter and decide the truth for themselves. |
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:00 am |
| All due respect, but in light of all that Deb has been thru lately, what about cutting her some slack? |
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:29 am |
Really – what about that last time where I asked the mod’s to step in and they removed your post? I agree though, people should look through all our postings and make up their minds – truth will out!
| Nonie aka AD wrote: |
| All my posts are available for viewing including the one in the Lounge being referred to. Folks can read every exchange I have had with OP and all my posts for that matter and decide the truth for themselves. |
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:30 am |
Hey Fawnie 
Don't forget this is a person who will never be happy with anything that Deb or FlexEffect does, so I wouldn't waste my breath if I were you!
| fawnie wrote: |
| All due respect, but in light of all that Deb has been thru lately, what about cutting her some slack? |
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:33 am |
| fawnie wrote: |
| All due respect, but in light of all that Deb has been thru lately, what about cutting her some slack? |
Agreed. |
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:04 am |
Maybe I *am* wasting my breath, but sitting by and letting ppl get attacked unnecessarily isnt right. Im so not into online drama, so Ive said my thing and Im outta here.
"All thats necessary for the triumph ... " etc etc. |
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:07 pm |
When I posted photos of Elaine Bartlett (Faceworks UK) upthread, I realized they were not recent but they were all I could find. Anyway, I contacted her to ask if she had any recent photos and told her about this thread so she would know what I was going to use them for. Today she sent me her up-to-date photos to post and gave me her permission to paste her email in this thread, so here goes:
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Hi Noni,
Thanks for your interest in Faceworks – I am familiar with the forum on essential day spa from a while ago when I was trying to find out if anyone else had a face exercise program online.
The black and white photo you posted previously is from 2009 of my cousin Phil Collen and I (he’s in Def Leppard), taken by rock photographer Ash Newell. It was taken backstage in Dublin, so no studio lighting or special set up.
I have attached some ‘selfies’ taken just now. I am working from home today so it’s definitely a low maintenance day: a scrap of mascara and eyeliner, and no foundation as you can see from my freckles. The third shot shows how much of my skin I can pinch: the depth of the muscle has increased quite a lot since I developed Faceworks in 2006.
I’m 53 now and I’ve been doing Faceworks 3-4 times a week for 7 years. I aim to look good for my age, I don’t want or expect to look 25. People tend to guess my age at about 45, though last weekend someone thought I was my daughter (she’s 22) which is a bit of a stretch of the imagination! I notice that there was a mention of BMI in some of the posts: I’m a size 8-10 and my face has always been rounded.
Even with facial exercise, the skin will continue to age, although more slowly. The menopause does have an impact too, often suddenly: becoming dryer and less elastic almost overnight. I get quite a few e-mails from ladies who tell me their face has literally collapsed because of the change in hormones. I have found there is a marked loss of elasticity in the skin during menopause: having good nutrition and a reliable moisturiser is vital. We are constantly trying to find true ‘miracle’ creams and are testing MitoQ at present http://www.mitoq.com/ for our members – results will appear on our Blog in a couple of weeks.
I’m happy for you to copy and post this e-mail, and if anyone wants to contact us, or me, you can e-mail us at helpdesk@faceworks.co.uk or go to the website at www.faceworks.co.uk
Kind Regards,
Elaine Bartlett
Originator of Faceworks Natural Facelift
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Doesn't she look awesome?  |
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:26 pm |
I admire Tonya. |
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:58 am |
Yes she ( Elaine) does look good and I think its brave of her to post them. I know I would nt, mind you I think Anyone who puts their pics here is brave!
I think I shall take a look at her web page |
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:25 am |
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Yes she ( Elaine) does look good and I think its brave of her to post them. I know I would nt, mind you I think Anyone who puts their pics here is brave!
I think I shall take a look at her web page |
I just think it's cool that she is related to someone in Def Leppard |
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:50 am |
She looks great, and her house is very nice, too. 
Thanks for posting, Nonie! |
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:13 pm |
| Yes she looks very good! |
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:35 pm |
| Yubs wrote: |
She looks great, and her house is very nice, too.
Thanks for posting, Nonie! |
I agree. These more recent pictures are even better than the previous. Good for her! |
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:41 pm |
She does look good, and taking selfies can be quite a scary experience~ they are one reason I started facial exercises  |
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:47 pm |
Very nice photos of Elaine Bartlett.... She does look young for her age, but as she states...not 25 again, just a better version of herself. Jeez I didn't even know about her program. I guess -- so many programs, so little time. FWIW, I admire all of the facial exercise gurus!! It's so nice to see that all of these lovely women are continuing to grow older with grace and beauty. And Deb, glad you are feeling so much better and you are certainly on the path to vibrant health with all of the new supplement recommendations you mentioned on the other thread. The body can certainly heal itself... I'm onto that. (I gotta get my K2!!!)  {{{Hugs to you}}} Aprile |
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:29 pm |
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| Very nice photos of Elaine Bartlett.... She does look young for her age, but as she states...not 25 again, just a better version of herself. Jeez I didn't even know about her program. I guess -- so many programs, so little time. FWIW, I admire all of the facial exercise gurus!! It's so nice to see that all of these lovely women are continuing to grow older with grace and beauty. And Deb, glad you are feeling so much better and you are certainly on the path to vibrant health with all of the new supplement recommendations you mentioned on the other thread. The body can certainly heal itself... I'm onto that. (I gotta get my K2!!!) {{{Hugs to you}}} Aprile |
You are so right Aprile. These women are role models of natural health. I was thinking the same thing about Elaine. Makes me want to buy her program too. I didn't see Debs supplement recs - I can guess! but will go find them anyway.
Aren't we all fortunate to have these women as role models; and Nonie - thank you for being so fervent for the good of the order. I appreciate you for bringing up great points and helping us to learn. |
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:16 pm |
| Elaine looks really good..such impromptu photo's are impressive. She looks very fresh, natural, pretty, toned.thankyou for sharing the photos. |
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:24 am |
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| Even with facial exercise, the skin will continue to age, although more slowly. The menopause does have an impact too, often suddenly: becoming dryer and less elastic almost overnight. I get quite a few e-mails from ladies who tell me their face has literally collapsed because of the change in hormones. I have found there is a marked loss of elasticity in the skin during menopause: having good nutrition and a reliable moisturiser is vital. |
Is going through menopause really this bad? I am scared!!! |
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:40 am |
Ha ha, its not bad but there is a lot of information out there to get through nowadays. When I went through it, there was no where near the info there is today and I'm not sure whether that's good or bad.
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| Even with facial exercise, the skin will continue to age, although more slowly. The menopause does have an impact too, often suddenly: becoming dryer and less elastic almost overnight. I get quite a few e-mails from ladies who tell me their face has literally collapsed because of the change in hormones. I have found there is a marked loss of elasticity in the skin during menopause: having good nutrition and a reliable moisturiser is vital. |
Is going through menopause really this bad? I am scared!!! |
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:41 am |
Sadly, menopause changes the skin drastically for many. When estrogen levels drop, the skin tends to thin out and become drier. But, IMO the reason the face would suddenly collapse is due to testosterone levels dropping to a point where the muscles are no longer strong, hence the flat face look. That is why many women find facial exercise and other modalities such as microcurrent so efffective. Of course, a healthy diet to support FE is even more critical at this time than ever before in our lives. A fuller face will appear more youthful, but no so much if the face is flabby and lacks tone and definition. By contrast, a too thin face can make one appear gaunt and haggard. Bioidentical hormones can certainly help, but it's really all about the balance. Best, Aprile  |
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:51 am |
In the email I posted upthread written by Elaine Bartlett, she made a typo, and so I quote below the part of a follow-up email that addresses the error and gives the correct info:
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Hi Noni,
I just realised there is a typo in my original e-mail: I’m 52 - I made myself a whole year older! Apologies. [...]
Elaine Bartlett
Originator of Faceworks Natural Facelift
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