2009/10 Weightloss Support Thread
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free skin care · Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:25 pm

rileygirl wrote:

I love Leigh Peele, as I think she is brilliant. Here is something she wrote about scale weight (1st part, 2nd part coming tomorrow). Thought maybe someone might be interested.

http://www.leighpeele.com/water-retention-and-weight-los

That fluid retention part had my name all over it, sigh.

free skin care · Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:38 am

Bethany, what excatly are you eating?

When I hear high protein/low crab/moderate fat I can only come up with:

1.lean red meat ( I don't eat)
2.chicken ( I don't like)
3. milk products ( I like, but I heard one should not rely on them too much)
4.protein shakes ( they don't fill me up)
5.beans ( I don't like the taste of beans Sad

)
6.egg whites
7.fish, shellfish ( the only category I love, discovered that Octupus is very high in potein and low in fat!)
8. ?

free skin care · Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:13 am

bethany wrote:

That fluid retention part had my name all over it, sigh.

Yeah, me too usually. I don't weigh every day or even every week anymore. I try to go on inches lost only (and that has been slow going!).

free skin care · Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:53 am

RussianSunshine wrote:

Bethany, what excatly are you eating?

When I hear high protein/low crab/moderate fat I can only come up with:

1.lean red meat ( I don't eat)
2.chicken ( I don't like)
3. milk products ( I like, but I heard one should not rely on them too much)
4.protein shakes ( they don't fill me up)
5.beans ( I don't like the taste of beans Sad

)
6.egg whites
7.fish, shellfish ( the only category I love, discovered that Octupus is very high in potein and low in fat!)
8. ?

Hello RussianSunshine,
If you don't eat/like any of those, where do you usually get your protein from? (I'm just curious Smile

)

Do you like tofu or the other type of soy-derived protein?
How about Tempeh? Lentils?

BTW, I have really bought into weightwatchers philosophy (and so has my mom, who at 62 has gone back to her ideal weight after decades of being overweight). Most research shows that unless you do a whole lifestyle change, you will not keep your weight off. And that is the problem with many diets: they are not easy enough to be carried on for life. So as soon as people go off the diet, they gain their weight back.

The safest way to lose weight is slowly and eating a balanced diet. Research has shown that a balanced low-fat diet is better for cardivascular health than Atkins type diets. And that the weight loss is no different in 12 months. Personally, I would not want to submit my kidneys and liver to the stress of a low-carb ketosis-inducing diet.

After being on a balanced diet for some time, I can say I feel so good! Besides the weight loss (I lost around 1-2 lbs per week) I feel full of energy. And I like the feeling of knowing that I'm eating healthy and food full of good nutrients. I love cooking so I bought 2 weightwatchers cookbooks and they have really good recipes; there are some that have become my husband's favorite.

I joined a running club and we started very slowly (slow running one minute, walking one minute (for 20 minutes)) and building gradually to 10 minute run and 1 minute walk and then building distance. Now I'm aiming for the frosty half marathon in February. And as a plus, I made new friends Smile

So at least for my mom and I, the "slowly but surely" philosophy worked and I think we're both happy and leaner Smile

free skin care · Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:45 pm

bethany wrote:

I think Atkins took on a life as it's own and and became far more focused on high-fat than Dr. A originally intended. But if you read his very early early books that focused on terms like "eating luxuriously" and repeatedly mentioned cream, bacon, steak, cheesecake, etc. it's easy to see how that happened.

He actually still did quite a bit of that in my version too, so I guess that explains why he's so conscientious about making those clarifications in the last edition. He goes out of his way to specify that he doesn't advocate a high fat diet over the long term, and says that induction "isn't a license to gorge", etc.

Quote:

But anyone who has read up on the science behind any ketosis-based diet knows that the LESS fat you take in, the MORE of your own bodyfat you will burn, and the FASTER you will lose weight.

I thought that keeping a steady (i.e., moderate, not a high) intake of healthy fats was what kept your body saying "oh, look, no shortage of fat here, why don't we burn that instead of glucogen/muscle?" Is there more to the story? As you can see, I am not at all caught up on the science. Silenced

Quote:

The higher protein, moderate fat, lower carb formula works wonders for me...

Yup, that's what works for me too. I find that if I'm consuming a lot of fiber that i have a lot more leeway with carbs, too, but if I hit a plateau that's usually the first thing I have to modify.

free skin care · Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:01 pm

Josee wrote:

Hello RussianSunshine,
If you don't eat/like any of those, where do you usually get your protein from? (I'm just curious Smile

)

Do you like tofu or the other type of soy-derived protein?
How about Tempeh? Lentils?

Josee, I was brought up on carbs: potatoes, bread and pastry. I don't like the taste of meat at all, and did not get used to eating beans, peas, lentils or soy. So I get my protein from fish and milk products only Sad

Josee wrote:

The safest way to lose weight is slowly and eating a balanced diet. Research has shown that a balanced low-fat diet is better for cardivascular health than Atkins type diets. And that the weight loss is no different in 12 months. Personally, I would not want to submit my kidneys and liver to the stress of a low-carb ketosis-inducing diet.

After being on a balanced diet for some time, I can say I feel so good! Besides the weight loss (I lost around 1-2 lbs per week) I feel full of energy. And I like the feeling of knowing that I'm eating healthy and food full of good nutrients. I love cooking so I bought 2 weightwatchers cookbooks and they have really good recipes; there are some that have become my husband's favorite.

I joined a running club and we started very slowly (slow running one minute, walking one minute (for 20 minutes)) and building gradually to 10 minute run and 1 minute walk and then building distance. Now I'm aiming for the frosty half marathon in February. And as a plus, I made new friends Smile

So at least for my mom and I, the "slowly but surely" philosophy worked and I think we're both happy and leaner Smile

I'm slowly but surely coming to this conclusion too Cool

One should eat everything she/he likes in moderation. And make slow gradual changes. That's how I broke my * spam alert * to chocolate. I was eating it EVERY DAY small amounts and then the amounts got smaller and smaller until now I don't even see chocolate when I have it in front of me.

So the high protein diet does not work for me, take the carbs away and I have absolutely nothing to eat Very Happy

Josee, is the WeightWatches Program good for those who don't cook? Wink

free skin care · Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:04 pm

RussianSunshine wrote:

I'm slowly but surely coming to this conclusion too Cool

One should eat everything she/he likes in moderation.

This is definitely how I am doing it, and I am losing weight - slow, but steady, so I know I am making lifestyle changes and will keep it off!

free skin care · Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:06 pm

rileygirl wrote:

Do you purchase the Tom Venuto book, Lowbrow? Is that his latest? I wanted to get his latest one, but when I wanted it they were sold out, and I totally forgot about it! What did you think about the book?

I loved the BFFM book. It's an early edition that a friend sent me a few years ago while I was deciding whether or not to buy it (I had a lot of general life decisions to make at the time) and I actually just ended up filing it away for awhile. Early last year ('08 ), my skin started freaking out, my thyroid was asleep at the wheel and I had so much stress that I finally looked up that eBook and started reading it, and I found it extremely helpful (and motivational). He really emphasizes the basics and goes into *some* detail without getting waist deep into the science (maybe more like knee deep? lol... but Lyle McDonald's ebooks might interest you if you prefer a more scientific approach). But if you also need "hands on", practical help in the form of charts and grocery lists (all of which can be customized, of course), it's all right there.

I think I've mentioned that my wishlist is a mile long already, but Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle would be well worth buying, in my opinion, in order to get the lifetime updates. In the meantime, I referred to the old one over and over again last year (when i was very successfully losing weight!); it is one of the best fitness/nutrition/weight loss guides out there.

free skin care · Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:16 pm

Lowbrowscientist wrote:

I loved the BFFM book. It's an early edition that a friend sent me a few years ago while I was deciding whether or not to buy it (I had a lot of general life decisions to make at the time) and I actually just ended up filing it away for awhile. Early last year ('08 ), my skin started freaking out, my thyroid was asleep at the wheel and I had so much stress that I finally looked up that eBook and started reading it, and I found it extremely helpful (and motivational). He really emphasizes the basics and goes into *some* detail without getting waist deep into the science (maybe more like knee deep? lol... but Lyle McDonald's ebooks might interest you if you prefer a more scientific approach). But if you also need "hands on", practical help in the form of charts and grocery lists (all of which can be customized, of course), it's all right there.

I think I've mentioned that my wishlist is a mile long already, but Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle would be well worth buying, in my opinion, in order to get the lifetime updates. In the meantime, I referred to the old one over and over again last year (when i was very successfully losing weight!); it is one of the best fitness/nutrition/weight loss guides out there.

Sounds great, Low. Thanks so much!

free skin care · Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:50 pm

RussianSunshine wrote:

Bethany, what excatly are you eating?

When I hear high protein/low crab/moderate fat I can only come up with:

1.lean red meat ( I don't eat)
2.chicken ( I don't like)
3. milk products ( I like, but I heard one should not rely on them too much)
4.protein shakes ( they don't fill me up)
5.beans ( I don't like the taste of beans Sad

)
6.egg whites
7.fish, shellfish ( the only category I love, discovered that Octupus is very high in potein and low in fat!)
8. ?

For protein:
I prefer fish and shellfish
I eat turkey every day on my lunch salad
I eat whole eggs (the nutrition is in the yolk so I don't skip that)
I will eat chicken, but only if there is not another other option
I eat very limited amounts of red meat
I eat ground chia added to a ton of things
I eat rice protein via my protein shake (with chia to fill me up)
I eat nuts, though they are also higher in fat
I do eat beans, but in lower quantities

I don't eat dairy anymore

free skin care · Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:02 pm

Josee wrote:

Personally, I would not want to submit my kidneys and liver to the stress of a low-carb ketosis-inducing diet.

Fortunately for me, both my doctor and my body are more than fine with it. I get extensive labwork done regularly because of my fibro, and everything looks A-Ok. My doc says people would kill for my lab results.

But obviously my goal is to NOT live in ketosis forever...this is only to reduce my weight, since being overweight is also an incredible body stressor in so many ways.

Please keep in mind that we all have different approaches, and should really try to refrain from appearing judgemental. I personally wouldn't skip eating from sunset to sundown for a month because it contributes to metabolic slow down. But you didn't hear me judge your approach when you mentioned that earlier, because I am respectful of people being able to determine what works for them. Please try to do the same, ok?

free skin care · Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:55 pm

bethany wrote:

Please keep in mind that we all have different approaches, and should really try to refrain from appearing judgemental. I personally wouldn't skip eating from sunset to sundown for a month because it contributes to metabolic slow down. But you didn't hear me judge your approach when you mentioned that earlier, because I am respectful of people being able to determine what works for them. Please try to do the same, ok?

Hmmm I'm not sure which part of my post sounded judgemental. I thought I simply stated what works for me and what I wouldn't do. I'm not an expert in nutrition so my opinion is as good as anyone else's. English is not my first language so maybe I came across as judgemental, so please accept my apologies since it was never my intention.

BTW, I fast for religious reasons, not weight/health reasons Smile

free skin care · Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:26 pm

Josee wrote:

I fast for religious reasons, not weight/health reasons Smile

I think you guys should really start a fasting thread, since there seems to be a lot of interest in it for non-weightloss reasons.

free skin care · Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:38 pm

bethany wrote:

Josee wrote:

I fast for religious reasons, not weight/health reasons Smile

I think you guys should really start a fasting thread, since there seems to be a lot of interest in it for non-weightloss reasons.

And, I think, you should take it easy Very Happy

free skin care · Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:24 am

The topic of fasting is sooo broad, it does indeed warrant a separate thread. Whether it's for clearing toxins, mental clarity, spiritual reasons...both Josee and RussianSunshine have mentioned that they fast for non-weightloss reasons. I would surely be interested in the fasting thread, but I think that if the fasting posts continue, they might detract from the purpose of this thread, which is "2009 Weight Loss Support".

I don't know, bethany...is it perhaps the line of work that you and I are in that makes us want some structure and organization? Rolling Eyes

free skin care · Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:43 am

bethany wrote:

Here is the tally of my results as of mid-June. My weightloss has slowed substantially from the pounds standpoint, but the inches are still dropping.

Time period: April 28th to June 21st (7.5 weeks)
Pounds Lost: 12.5
Inches Lost: 15.94
Body Fat Lost: 4%
Goal 1 Weight: 5.5 pounds to go
Goal 2 Weight: 15.5 pounds to go (includes G1 pounds left to lose)

Inches Lost:
Bicep (x2): 1.00
Chest/Bust: 2.-00
Ribcage: 1.19
Waist: 2.25
Abdomen: 2.00
Hips: 3.0
Thigh (x2): 3.63
Calf (x2): 0.88
Total Inches Lost: 15.94

Congratulations Bethany!!

I haven't "visited" this thread in months, so I thought I'd drop by and see how everyone is doing.

I decided to have another go Rolling Eyes

at shedding the extra 5-6 lbs i gained over the winter, so we'll see how I do this time. Needless to say - my earlier efforts weren't really serious enough , therefore resulting in no weight loss Embarassed

. Hopefully, I'll do better this time around Pray

.

free skin care · Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:23 am

RussianSunshine wrote:

Josee, I was brought up on carbs: potatoes, bread and pastry. I don't like the taste of meat at all, and did not get used to eating beans, peas, lentils or soy. So I get my protein from fish and milk products only Sad

Hello RussianSunshine,
I know where you're coming from... my mom's side of the family is italian and so we had pasta as a side dish almost every day and we always dipped our bread in olive oil and balsamic vinegar!

Since you're getting you protein mainly from fish and milk, make sure you buy fish that is low on mercury (e.g. tilapia, etc.).

RussianSunshine wrote:

Josee, is the WeightWatches Program good for those who don't cook? Wink

Yeah it is Very Happy

although your eating choice might be more limited.
It all depends on how big your appetite is.
I tend to have a big appetite so I can't buy processed/frozen food because it has too many "points" and so I don't get full! So for e.g. one of those little frozen food trays has 5 points and if I eat it I will be hungry again in the next 2 hours. However, if I do a more "homemade" approach I can eat more food and be less hungry.

So for e.g. whenever I don't want to cook, I eat LOTS and LOTS of raw veggies (e.g. for lunch I would eat 250 grs celery, 150 gr peppers, 150 grs. cucumber) and some crab meat.
I sometimes make a "burrito" with one of those LaTortilla Factory high-fiber, low-carb tortilla, and crab meat, and fat-free mayonaise, and some roasted peppers (ones that I buy that come preserved in vinegar, not oil).

For e.g. yesterday for dinner I had fish (tilapia) that did on the microwave putting one tsp. of sesame oil and one tbs. of reduced-sodium soy sauce. It was done in 2 minutes, no mess, and it was tasty! I paired it with chinese frozen veggies.

The thing for me too is that at the beginning I really ate things as a "chore" and it was only later that I started enjoying my meals more. Till today I don't like celery that much but I still eat it because it has almost no calories and fills me up. At the beginning I was not too keen on the raw veggies but then I got used to them and now I actually enjoy them Smile

The other thing that has helped me a lot is to cook one day during the week and then freeze or keep in the fridge the food for the rest of the week. I usually make some kind of stew with vegetables, or something like that. For e.g. last weekend I made scallops with julienne veggies in sake sauce and I froze 5 portions Smile

I also made turkey breast meatballs with veggies and tomato sauce.

And I try to have always some kind of dish in the freezer because the days I come home really tired I don't feel like cooking anything at all, not even cutting anything, so if it wasn't for the already-made dishes in the freezer, I would probably end up eating not so healthy.

Josee

free skin care · Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:30 am

As far as weight loss options go, there are a lot of options that aren't suitable for everyone but might be ideal for specific people in specific circumstances. So, criticizing one method or another is pointless as long as we're all reaching our goals and staying healthy.

Personally, I'm just now finally learning how to make meals that are fast/easy/healthy AND taste good (yes, all at the same time!) so I think I am finally on the right track. (woo hoo!

)

free skin care · Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:39 am

RussianSunshine, I can relate to your protein woes because I don't care for most types, and I'm not a big fan of seafood either. Like you, most of mine comes from dairy products. I do like eggs, though, and every once in awhile I'll eat canned salmon/sardines just because I know I should be getting some variety. Poultry/red meat are, or were, very infrequent because i just don't care for them.

I am starting to really like chicken, though, since learning a good way to prepare it, and also because of the convenience.

Josee wrote:

The other thing that has helped me a lot is to cook one day during the week and then freeze or keep in the fridge the food for the rest of the week.

This method has been a life saver for me! I've been cooking chicken in bulk and chopping several days' worth of veggies so I can just pull something out of the fridge/freezer and have it ready in no time.

I'm really loving my blender, too, because it takes the work out of trying to get enough servings of fruits and veggies. I'll admit, I am not a fan of the ever-popular "green smoothies", though... blecch!

free skin care · Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:53 am

rileygirl wrote:

I love Leigh Peele, as I think she is brilliant. Here is something she wrote about scale weight (1st part, 2nd part coming tomorrow). Thought maybe someone might be interested.

http://www.leighpeele.com/water-retention-and-weight-los

Hi Rileygirl;
This was first I heard of Leigh Peele. I looked through her website and it looks interesting.
Have you purchased her fat-loss books? I'd love to know if that stuff works.
Thanks, R.

free skin care · Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:28 am

rubby wrote:

Hi Rileygirl;
This was first I heard of Leigh Peele. I looked through her website and it looks interesting.
Have you purchased her fat-loss books? I'd love to know if that stuff works.
Thanks, R.

Hi, rubby. Yes, I have purchased her ebooks. You know what, they work if you use them! Laughing

I am following something different now. It is from the book "I Can Make You Thin" by Paul McKenna. You eat anything you want, as this is not a diet but a lifestyle change. The catch is you eat only when you are hungry (includes a cute little card with the hunger levels and the satiety levels on it), and you stop when you are comfortable - even if that means leaving food on your plate (which a lot of us grew up to "never" do, due to the starving children where ever you were told they were!). Also, you learn to slow down your eating (something I still have trouble with). And, 1 more "rule" is you eat what you want. So, those are the 4 little rules you follow. It works. You have to be conscious at all times but I don't deprive myself of anything. If I want ice cream, and I am hungry, I eat ice cream - and yes, I am losing weight. It really is all about moderation.

Sorry to go off topic on you. Leigh Peele is great and her diets do work, again, if you follow the advice in them.

free skin care · Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:31 am

Here is something for all of the ladies who have negative thoughts about their bodies. Something to think about if you believe the mind/body connection.

http://www.stumbleupon.com/s/#1dvIMI/nakednutritionnetwork.com/my-big-fat-a//

free skin care · Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:31 am

Lowbrowscientist wrote:

RussianSunshine wrote:

nadjazz, look at this page , is there a single word about fasting? Wink

Except for bethany mentioning that she would not do it?

Fasting was part of their conversation; Bethany was responding to a direct quote. I guess I'm not understanding your question (or how the contents of this particular page is relevant?)

What I meant is that we stopped talking about "fasting" long time ago, and nobody intentionally wanted to drift from the "weight loss" topic to some other, it was a natural way of conversation. And bethany is repeatedly "requesting" to move to another thread even though nobody talks about fasting anymore.

free skin care · Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:52 am

Lowbrowscientist wrote:

Personally, I'm just now finally learning how to make meals that are fast/easy/healthy AND taste good (yes, all at the same time!) so I think I am finally on the right track. (woo hoo!

)

Lowbrowscientist, do you know any cookbooks or websites that teach how to make fast/easy/health/tasty meals?

I hate spending too much time on cooking, but I do not want to buy processed/frozen food.

Josee wrote:

So for e.g. whenever I don't want to cook, I eat LOTS and LOTS of raw veggies (e.g. for lunch I would eat 250 grs celery, 150 gr peppers, 150 grs. cucumber) and some crab meat

Josee, do you eat them with some type of dip ? Confused

I like your idea of freezing! Do you put the food in a plastic bag, and then defrost it in a microwave?

free skin care · Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:56 am

RussianSunshine wrote:

Lowbrowscientist wrote:

RussianSunshine wrote:

nadjazz, look at this page , is there a single word about fasting? Wink

Except for bethany mentioning that she would not do it?

Fasting was part of their conversation; Bethany was responding to a direct quote. I guess I'm not understanding your question (or how the contents of this particular page is relevant?)

What I meant is that we stopped talking about "fasting" long time ago, and nobody intentionally wanted to drift from the "weight loss" topic to some other, it was a natural way of conversation. And bethany is repeatedly "requesting" to move to another thread even though nobody talks about fasting anymore.

Russian, are you trying to lose weight? You said you were not fasting for weight loss purposes, so I assumed that you are already at your optimal weight.

But if you're overweight, let's hear about your plan to lose and what you're doing to get there so that we can help support you! That's what this thread is all about! Very Happy

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