Facial Exercises: why is stretching/rubbing/pulling good?
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free skin care · Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:00 pm

Hi- the parts of my face are posted because those were the ones I was working. Before and afters of those parts. there are also full photos of my face. let's see if I can post one here taken last year at my son's wedding. hhmmmmm..

09/25/2011

and here is one in 07 of my profile

and here is on full on from 09

I don't have a lot of pictures taken of me.
Actually makes me kind of sad. I was in martial arts for years and years and there are no videos of me throwing people 3 times my size, or of my leaping and rolling 8 feet...
sigh.

free skin care · Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:02 pm

wow not very good photos of me.
I will look for others.

free skin care · Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:04 pm

here is one takien during a derma rolling experiment trying to get rid of the line between by brows.
It really did nothing.
It did not get worse, or better.

free skin care · Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:11 pm

ok it looked clearer on my computer. It is a fairly shallow line with a y branch at the top of it. Deeper during stressful days. I frown a lot.

free skin care · Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:15 pm

WOW! Thank you Cathy for putting your pictures up. I don't know how old you are, but do know many a 30 something who would be jealous of that jawline!

free skin care · Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:21 pm

CathyIM I appreciate your courage and contribution. Thank you! That's all I was asking for. Your photos give people an idea of what to expect since you've done FE for years. I don't know if you want to tell your age but I know it and I do think you look very good. Beautiful profile indeed.

free skin care · Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:24 pm

IMCathy wrote:

here is one takien during a derma rolling experiment trying to get rid of the line between by brows.
It really did nothing.
It did not get worse, or better.

IMCathy Sorry I got your name wrong in the previous post, I was so excited to see your pics I didn't take good note of your name; forgive me.

I love your photo in color. I also love your honesty. BTW, the line between your brows isn't bad. I don't think most people would notice it if you didn't point it out. I think we are sometimes our worst critics.

Thanks again for the pics. Very much appreciated.

free skin care · Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:32 pm

I'm 51. the pictures by year- 07 i was 47 I was 50 (almost 51) at my son's wedding. it io say 2010 for his wedding. NOT 2011. I will see if I can edit. i am now now almost 52.

free skin care · Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:52 pm

Now where's the sag from all that pulling and stretching? LOL

free skin care · Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:47 pm

free skin care · Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:02 pm

Nonie aka AD wrote:

IMCathy wrote:

here is one takien during a derma rolling experiment trying to get rid of the line between by brows.
It really did nothing.
It did not get worse, or better.

IMCathy Sorry I got your name wrong in the previous post, I was so excited to see your pics I didn't take good note of your name; forgive me.

I love your photo in color. I also love your honesty. BTW, the line between your brows isn't bad. I don't think most people would notice it if you didn't point it out. I think we are sometimes our worst critics.

Thanks again for the pics. Very much appreciated.

Thanks Nonie. (and everyone else for your compliments)

btw Nonie- you look wonderful!

free skin care · Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:09 pm

LotusEsther.... thank you. Smile

free skin care · Sat Nov 12, 2011 9:35 pm

i really can't believe this....it's madness...
and it should not be engaged....

free skin care · Sun Nov 13, 2011 4:07 am

moongoddess wrote:

i really can't believe this....it's madness...
and it should not be engaged....

Moongoddess, can you tell me why not? You have a long experience with facial exercise, what did I miss?

Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:36 am

Thank you Packratmack for clarifying this for me. It was done through PMs and I am not going to repost them in their entirety here and simply say that the language that was used was clearly open to misintrepretation. I've looked again at the PMs this weekend and am going to message Loli as it was never my intention to upset her but for what its worth I think Loli is beautiful.

packratmack wrote:

TheresaCats wrote:

Ok I stand corrected, its my misunderstanding and I went back to reread the messages. She said to me in a PM that she doesn't do the exercises often but does a special reflexology massage daily which she very much enjoys and looks forward to which I mistook to mean that she preferred them over the exercises (I mean its not that much of a big jump is it?). Thanks for clarifying.

I can see how you might interpret her message in this way. But, your statement did not make sense to me, so I felt it was important to find out if Loli really did say this. I feel better knowing the FE exercises are definitely a critical factor for her. There is no way she could achieve and maintain her great results using massage as the main technique over exercise.

free skin care · Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:17 am

I am a CFF fan, love it! It's a 'controlled' type of exercising and I have seen a slow but steady re-shaping of my face. FE on the other hand, is too much for me, way too much pulling and stretching.

I must agree about the photos on FE. Some of them are really old (1996, 2003, 2007!) and do not do the site or the program justice. I am impressed with the new photos of Aimee and Twinkles though.

I love OCM too and the more I massage my skin, the thicker and more toned it feels.

I have recently had orthognathic (jaw) surgery and for 4 weeks have been unable to do CFF nor could I do my usual rigorous OCM massage. Now that the swelling from the surgery has finally subsided I can see a definite sag to my face from not doing the exercises or massage. Today I was given the go-ahead from the surgeon to resume gentle face exercise and massage, can't wait for a bit of me-time!

So for me "Does rigorous massage really do something for the skin or not, and why?" .... a resounding YES, it makes the world of difference.

free skin care · Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:27 pm

My post is NOT re facial exercises but re pulling and massaging.....

Newton law states that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. So when we pull the skin, the skin should react by pulling it back inwards, in the short term it should definitely have a nice effect on the skin, it should appear taut and plump.. the pulling may also cause some collagen growth ( i have not read any research but just am assuming it) and that's why I am really tempted to try the vaculifters... however skin also sags cause of the constant pull of gravity.. so may be pulling is not good after all in the long run??? any thoughts? Thank you

free skin care · Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:54 pm

daler wrote:

My post is NOT re facial exercises but re pulling and massaging.....

Newton law states that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. So when we pull the skin, the skin should react by pulling it back inwards, in the short term it should definitely have a nice effect on the skin, it should appear taut and plump.. the pulling may also cause some collagen growth ( i have not read any research but just am assuming it) and that's why I am really tempted to try the vaculifters... however skin also sags cause of the constant pull of gravity.. so may be pulling is not good after all in the long run??? any thoughts? Thank you

I would say that some massage can be good for the skin. I use Carole's bamboo facial mitt and keeping a long "O" position so that the skin doesn't stretch, I perform small circular motions on my face every day. It's more of a stimulating massage effect. I find it seems to tighten and lift the skin. I don't know if it stimulates collagen production or not. But it doesn't stretch the skin in any way. ~ Aprile

Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:09 pm

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free skin care · Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:36 pm

lotusesther....please see havana's post

free skin care · Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:21 am

daler wrote:

My post is NOT re facial exercises but re pulling and massaging.....

Newton law states that every action has an equal and opposite reaction. So when we pull the skin, the skin should react by pulling it back inwards, in the short term it should definitely have a nice effect on the skin, it should appear taut and plump.. the pulling may also cause some collagen growth ( i have not read any research but just am assuming it) and that's why I am really tempted to try the vaculifters... however skin also sags cause of the constant pull of gravity.. so may be pulling is not good after all in the long run??? any thoughts? Thank you

Hi Daler,

You are spot-on!

FYI Todays science now retracts the theory that gravity is a major cause of facial sag. In fact, if it weren’t for gravity we would really be sagging (for the very reason you stated.) The skin is meant to stretch for so many obvious reasons. It’s the duration of a stretch (it must be constant) that can create excess skin. It’s the most amazing organ of the body and because its job is to protect everything underneath, it is also the most durable. As for collagen, it takes a microscopic tear to create collagen (healing process), but nothing that would be visible to the eye. This process is very effective in the removal of scars or even preventing them.

I knew when I developed Cross Stretching for inclusion in Facialbuilding I was in for a firestorm of nay-sayers. But then, it’s not like I’m not accustomed to criticism (to be expected when you step out of the box). When I developed synergistic resistance training for the face, now that was off the chart. It still is today to some degree. But hey, take the hits today and the glory tomorrow!

I love the idea of the vaculifter, great idea!!! Please let me know (here or on my forum) what you think of it.

free skin care · Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:58 am

Deb Crowley wrote:

Hi Daler,

You are spot-on!

FYI Todays science now retracts the theory that gravity is a major cause of facial sag. In fact, if it weren’t for gravity we would really be sagging (for the very reason you stated.)

Great, I knew gravity is essential for bone density as astronauts lose bone density while in space, I am glad to hear it's imp for skin as well, don't feel that bad towards gravity anymore!

Also, if you are interested,there is a thread on vaculifters here on EDS already.

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=30322&highlight=vaculifter

free skin care · Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:31 pm

Cathy, you look wonderful!! Truly wonderful! Smile

And to boot, all of the photos are taken in bad or unflattering lighting. I especially like your profile picture--you look jaw-droppingly young in that one for a 51-year-old Wink

free skin care · Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:34 pm

packratmack wrote:

The only argument of Nonie's that I agree with is the matter of photographs. I think the FE trainers should post more photographs of themselves.

I concur with you Packratmack.

I just don't understand why this couldn't have been asked nicely in the first place, rather than in a taunting and negative way. Oh well. At least, the tone in this thread has taken a turn for the better. Much appreciated Smile

free skin care · Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:51 pm

You know who else I think looks wonderful who does aggressive resistance exercises?

Both Pattymarie and Vittoria on the FlexEffect forum. You can see their profile photos here:

http://flexeffect.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=4947

And they are both in their early fifties, I believe, and I think both of their photos are very recent.

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