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Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:07 pm  |
When I posted photos of Elaine Bartlett (Faceworks UK) upthread, I realized they were not recent but they were all I could find. Anyway, I contacted her to ask if she had any recent photos and told her about this thread so she would know what I was going to use them for. Today she sent me her up-to-date photos to post and gave me her permission to paste her email in this thread, so here goes:
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Hi Noni,
Thanks for your interest in Faceworks – I am familiar with the forum on essential day spa from a while ago when I was trying to find out if anyone else had a face exercise program online.
The black and white photo you posted previously is from 2009 of my cousin Phil Collen and I (he’s in Def Leppard), taken by rock photographer Ash Newell. It was taken backstage in Dublin, so no studio lighting or special set up.
I have attached some ‘selfies’ taken just now. I am working from home today so it’s definitely a low maintenance day: a scrap of mascara and eyeliner, and no foundation as you can see from my freckles. The third shot shows how much of my skin I can pinch: the depth of the muscle has increased quite a lot since I developed Faceworks in 2006.
I’m 53 now and I’ve been doing Faceworks 3-4 times a week for 7 years. I aim to look good for my age, I don’t want or expect to look 25. People tend to guess my age at about 45, though last weekend someone thought I was my daughter (she’s 22) which is a bit of a stretch of the imagination! I notice that there was a mention of BMI in some of the posts: I’m a size 8-10 and my face has always been rounded.
Even with facial exercise, the skin will continue to age, although more slowly. The menopause does have an impact too, often suddenly: becoming dryer and less elastic almost overnight. I get quite a few e-mails from ladies who tell me their face has literally collapsed because of the change in hormones. I have found there is a marked loss of elasticity in the skin during menopause: having good nutrition and a reliable moisturiser is vital. We are constantly trying to find true ‘miracle’ creams and are testing MitoQ at present http://www.mitoq.com/ for our members – results will appear on our Blog in a couple of weeks.
I’m happy for you to copy and post this e-mail, and if anyone wants to contact us, or me, you can e-mail us at helpdesk@faceworks.co.uk or go to the website at www.faceworks.co.uk
Kind Regards,
Elaine Bartlett
Originator of Faceworks Natural Facelift
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Doesn't she look awesome?  |
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Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:26 pm |
I admire Tonya. |
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 2:58 am |
Yes she ( Elaine) does look good and I think its brave of her to post them. I know I would nt, mind you I think Anyone who puts their pics here is brave!
I think I shall take a look at her web page |
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:25 am |
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Yes she ( Elaine) does look good and I think its brave of her to post them. I know I would nt, mind you I think Anyone who puts their pics here is brave!
I think I shall take a look at her web page |
I just think it's cool that she is related to someone in Def Leppard  |
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:50 am |
She looks great, and her house is very nice, too. 
Thanks for posting, Nonie! |
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:13 pm |
| Yes she looks very good! |
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:35 pm |
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She looks great, and her house is very nice, too.
Thanks for posting, Nonie! |
I agree. These more recent pictures are even better than the previous. Good for her! |
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:41 pm |
She does look good, and taking selfies can be quite a scary experience~ they are one reason I started facial exercises  |
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:47 pm |
Very nice photos of Elaine Bartlett.... She does look young for her age, but as she states...not 25 again, just a better version of herself. Jeez I didn't even know about her program. I guess -- so many programs, so little time. FWIW, I admire all of the facial exercise gurus!! It's so nice to see that all of these lovely women are continuing to grow older with grace and beauty. And Deb, glad you are feeling so much better and you are certainly on the path to vibrant health with all of the new supplement recommendations you mentioned on the other thread. The body can certainly heal itself... I'm onto that. (I gotta get my K2!!!)  {{{Hugs to you}}} Aprile |
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:29 pm |
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| Very nice photos of Elaine Bartlett.... She does look young for her age, but as she states...not 25 again, just a better version of herself. Jeez I didn't even know about her program. I guess -- so many programs, so little time. FWIW, I admire all of the facial exercise gurus!! It's so nice to see that all of these lovely women are continuing to grow older with grace and beauty. And Deb, glad you are feeling so much better and you are certainly on the path to vibrant health with all of the new supplement recommendations you mentioned on the other thread. The body can certainly heal itself... I'm onto that. (I gotta get my K2!!!) {{{Hugs to you}}} Aprile |
You are so right Aprile. These women are role models of natural health. I was thinking the same thing about Elaine. Makes me want to buy her program too. I didn't see Debs supplement recs - I can guess! but will go find them anyway.
Aren't we all fortunate to have these women as role models; and Nonie - thank you for being so fervent for the good of the order. I appreciate you for bringing up great points and helping us to learn. |
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Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:16 pm |
| Elaine looks really good..such impromptu photo's are impressive. She looks very fresh, natural, pretty, toned.thankyou for sharing the photos. |
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:24 am |
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| Even with facial exercise, the skin will continue to age, although more slowly. The menopause does have an impact too, often suddenly: becoming dryer and less elastic almost overnight. I get quite a few e-mails from ladies who tell me their face has literally collapsed because of the change in hormones. I have found there is a marked loss of elasticity in the skin during menopause: having good nutrition and a reliable moisturiser is vital. |
Is going through menopause really this bad? I am scared!!! |
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:40 am |
Ha ha, its not bad but there is a lot of information out there to get through nowadays. When I went through it, there was no where near the info there is today and I'm not sure whether that's good or bad.
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| Even with facial exercise, the skin will continue to age, although more slowly. The menopause does have an impact too, often suddenly: becoming dryer and less elastic almost overnight. I get quite a few e-mails from ladies who tell me their face has literally collapsed because of the change in hormones. I have found there is a marked loss of elasticity in the skin during menopause: having good nutrition and a reliable moisturiser is vital. |
Is going through menopause really this bad? I am scared!!! |
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:41 am |
Sadly, menopause changes the skin drastically for many. When estrogen levels drop, the skin tends to thin out and become drier. But, IMO the reason the face would suddenly collapse is due to testosterone levels dropping to a point where the muscles are no longer strong, hence the flat face look. That is why many women find facial exercise and other modalities such as microcurrent so efffective. Of course, a healthy diet to support FE is even more critical at this time than ever before in our lives. A fuller face will appear more youthful, but no so much if the face is flabby and lacks tone and definition. By contrast, a too thin face can make one appear gaunt and haggard. Bioidentical hormones can certainly help, but it's really all about the balance. Best, Aprile  |
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:51 am |
In the email I posted upthread written by Elaine Bartlett, she made a typo, and so I quote below the part of a follow-up email that addresses the error and gives the correct info:
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Hi Noni,
I just realised there is a typo in my original e-mail: I’m 52 - I made myself a whole year older! Apologies. [...]
Elaine Bartlett
Originator of Faceworks Natural Facelift
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Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:27 pm |
I know the suggestion that the founders should post completely bare faces has come up but I know when this has been done, we have not been presented with a full face and the absence of makeup was the reason given for that...whic,h defeats the purpose of showing us how the entire face is holding up. To be honest, I don't know what not having makeup could tell us about the person other than they have freckles or age spots or marks on their skin. The makeup does not add or take away from the lift and smoothing out that exercise effects. I once shared on this in another thread:
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On the point of makeup here's a beautiful woman in her 60's. No amount of makeup could hide the lines she has:
And just to make it a fair comparison, I've minimized her photo so it's not so much of a close-up:
(Which reminds me, I don't know if you know the story of how this thinking is what prompted me to learn face exercises rather than learn how to apply makeup. You see, I had gone to WH Smith to buy a how-to book on makeup, but while in the health and beauty aisle, Eva's book caught my attention. The idea of being able to stop the aging process--that's what I understood exercises were to do from the casual browsing of her book--appealed to me because I thought looking toned when I was older would be so much better than wearing makeup on a wrinkled face. Needless to say, I'm still clueless on makeup. )
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Besides, all previous photos were taken with makeup, so wouldn't keeping the uniformity help us see how well the exercises have improved or maintained the faces? Insisting on bare-faced photos would be like expecting fitness trainers to post pictures of themselves in the nude so we can see how well they are maintaining their bodies. |
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jrp0610
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Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:21 am |
| Nonie.....55 year old male here.....I've been using Flex Effect for at least 12 years now ( maybe longer)...When I bought it it came in VHS.....Family members snicker and laugh when they mention I have very few if any wrinkles and I tell them it's because I exercise my facial muscles....Big joke to them and yet they see a difference.......I'm very aggressive and tend to think those who have posted negative results just do not grasp how the exercises are done and perform them correctly....The bags that were under my eyes at 35 are greatly diminished and my entire face is much fuller from the cheek muscles that have provided not only lift but fullness around the nose area.....IT WORKS....Will not let me post a link but if your curious enough go to YouTube and type in "A Wink And A Smile - John Perry" ( I filmed this about 3 to 4 months ago ), no makeup, never use it, can't stand the stuff......55 and going strong....Those familiar with facial muscles can see the buildup around the cheeks, under the eyes, around the nose, the chin ect.......Many thanks to my discovery of Deb and her program Flex Effect years ago (I have no connection to Deb Crowley ) Have never met her or spoken with her, stand to gain nothing from this post, but can attest from personal results that an aggressive program that you stick with has the payoff.....Take care |
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Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:53 am |
You do look good jrp0610. Good for you.
But with all due respect, I don't think it was bad form that led to my bad results. I was not only extra careful even with 15 years under my belt of doing face exercises, but I also tried to stay in touch with Deb to make sure I was really supposed to be that aggressive. If there's one thing I pride myself in is being able to mimic movements and BTW, in the 15 years I did face exercises, I did them from a book looking at images not a video and got it right. So with a DVD, there was no way I could screw that up.
I stuck with the program even when my face continued to get worse with each passing day, trusting that the "awkward stage" was going to pass as I was promised. After over a 100 days of giving the program the benefit of the doubt and my face getting worse progressively, and no support whatsoever, I had to quit and I have no regrets for doing that. My regret was giving the program that long a run when my instincts told me to quit way before. Guess I'm a little too trusting.
Maybe you have tougher skin than I do. Also I do believe that face-building works better for people who have lost mass in their face and many people who have never done face exercise may look a touch gaunt in their 40's so perhaps that's another reason it worked for you. I had maintained the fullness of my face as it was in my 20's by the age of 35 with exercise, so I do not think I needed any face-building. I still think young people would do better with just toning which is what Eva's program (the program I did for 15 years) mostly offered. Many don't agree with me, but that's OK.
Anyway since I stopped being that aggressive, and switched to a gentler program, my face has regained its beautiful tone and contours as you can see from my progress photos on the CFF website.
As long as we're both happy with our choices, I say different strokes for different folks. As the song goes, "Now the world don't move to the beat of just one drum, what might be right for you may not be right for some..." Indeed "It takes Diff'rent Strokes to move the world!" |
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jrp0610
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Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:04 am |
" Indeed "It takes Diff'rent Strokes to move the world!"
It sure does my friend!!!....All the best of luck to you and that pretty face of yours.....JP |
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Wed Sep 04, 2013 1:40 pm |
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| but I also tried to stay in touch with Deb to make sure I was really supposed to be that aggressive. |
Nonie, when are you going to give it a rest. You NEVER spoke to me or got in-touch with me regarding training EVER.. or does the word 'tired' get you off the hook?
All these years and you still chose NOT to tell me who you are so that I and everybody else can KNOW you actually bought my program.
While you were on my forum causing trouble I asked you back then several times "Who are you" just so I could believe you were truly a Flexer. You said "you didn't owe me anything" Yet you continue to say "you were begging for my help"
The very fact that you still have on Carolyn's website (Nonie’s Story) saying you didn't know who Carolyn was at the time your face was being destroyed by FlexEffect Girl, you gotta know I still have the PMs proving you wrote to others while you were on the Flex forum recommending Carolyn’s program
Come-on you surely remember the EDS thread that was deleted when all hell broke out that had all that information on it.
Nonie, don't think there aren’t those on this forum who don't know the real truth...just because they don't feel comfortable stepping-up to call you out. They too know how simple it would be for you to prove me wrong.. yet still nothing... You just continue your BS
And BTW... Carolyn also KNOWS you knew her while you were on my forum... yet she also puts up that BS ... Real Admirable.
Below is part of the story you and Carolyn came up with on Carolyn’s site
“But after a year, my face was still a sad story. Although it didn't feel "swollen" anymore, the rolls under my eyes were still there and they were very lined. I would look at photos of my eyes from June/July 2005 when I had no lines and no puffing under my eyes when I smiled, and tears would just well up inside. Needless to say, I was very insecure/unsure about trying another new program and thought I would just go back to the isometrics that had never let me down. But by some very unusual circumstances, I found out about Carolyn's Facial Fitness and was very intrigued by her program. I liked the idea that she developed her program after reviewing many programs out there and creatively came up with her own program - saving us the trouble.”
Link to page site http://www.carolynsfacialfitness.com/nonie
Nonie I have to say… you are right; there is a HUGE difference between your BEFORE photo and your AFTER photo HIDDEN way down at the bottom of the page. Amazing progress in just 8 months GOOD JOB! But I got to be honest… I think you look far younger in your before pic… just sayin.
So let me cut to the chase... You and Carolyn made up the entire BS together. You came into my forum via Carolyn when Carolyn was PO'd over a fight she and some of my trainers were having. You have used this story for years now...whenever and wherever you get the chance.
Carolyn I know you are reading this... copy and paste it ...Your husband is an attorney... BRING IT!
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Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:03 pm |
Good heavens. Over the top much, Deb? That I can see, Nonie's remarks were nothing to flip over.
This is the kind of stuff that really turns me off about forums. I reported Deb Crowley's last post. Let's hope the unfounded insinuations (Nonie is a troll or is Carolyn, etc.) and name-calling are done.
There is a difference between telling your story (for example, saying that you can't get in touch with a certain vendor) and making unfounded accusations (a member is a troll or not who she claims to be). I think we all know the difference.
Deb, no offense. I've got the last two editions of your program and you've given me good customer service in the past. But this type of thing doesn't contribute anything positive to the dynamics here, and many of us just don't like the drama. PM or email is a better venue for this type of screed. |
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Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:13 pm |
Ewww ! Deb, won't you relax ? I can't understand how you can write such a virulent post after John Perry was such a gentleman towards Nonie,and after he gave such a nice testimony of his excellent experience following the FlexEffect program.
Instead of basking in his praises, you attack Nonie !!! And Carolyn who has her own face exercising program, calling them both names.
Bring on the attorney ? Surely you jest. |
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Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:23 pm |
@Yubs, perhaps you should just let Deb have her say, and not swoop in to be the thread police all the time..Seriously!
You obviously are unaware of the back handed tormenting Nonie inflicts on Deb and her program, every chance she gets..
Anyhoo, Deb is always a lady, and I'm happy to see her finally have her say. |
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Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:29 pm |
| I agree with Kassy. And I am still surprised that there are no other stories of people having the same trouble from Flex Effect. If it's a flaw in the program, others should have the same trouble and it would have popped up here in one of the many facial exercise threads over the years. |
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Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:42 pm |
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@Yubs, perhaps you should just let Deb have her say, and not swoop in to be the thread police all the time..Seriously!
You obviously are unaware of the back handed tormenting Nonie inflicts on Deb and her program, every chance she gets..
Anyhoo, Deb is always a lady, and I'm happy to see her finally have her say. |
Hmmm. Seems like people don't like it when others are called on dumb high school dynamics on a woman's forum. And that's exactly what stuff like this is: adolescent bickering.
Is it even possible for women to get together and not act like this? I'm beginning to wonder. Seriously. There's a guy's forum I go on where they don't act like this, and it's pretty pleasant. I wish they had the information about skincare there I needed. I feel compelled to read everything here because you never know where a valuable nugget of information is going to pop-up...even in threads that you don't have much interest in or that make you grit your teeth. Sometimes my OCD just gets the better of my good judgment, and then posts like this happen.
Soooo...anyways, sorry if you don't like my comments, Kassy. But please note that I don't attack the poster, only the tone or content of certain remarks, even if people seem to take it generally personally.
We all get snarky and backhanded sometimes. That is not my issue. My issue is with constant insults (oblique or outright), unfounded accusations that may be self-evident or proven to a few but are NOT to the vast majority of forum users, and name-calling.
The great thing about forums is that everyone has a say, and this is mine. Further, I'm not the only one that thinks these things, I'm just the only one ill-advised enough to say them out loud. Others don't really seem to want to get ostracized by the "big time posters" here, who are in large measure responsible for these dynamics, but I do get PM's here and there about it. Bottom line is I get tired of the stuff like this that keeps happening. It makes the forum a less pleasant place to be on, and it's so very high school.
It will be interesting to see how many thank you's your post racks up, though.
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| I agree with Kassy. And I am still surprised that there are no other stories of people having the same trouble from Flex Effect. If it's a flaw in the program, others should have the same trouble and it would have popped up here in one of the many facial exercise threads over the years. |
Lotusesther, I do not like FlexEffect, either. It made me look tired and stressed in a very short amount of time. However, I was not a distressed about it as Nonie apparently is, because I didn't spend years looking good on another program. But I HAVE heard of other bad stories about Flex Effect and even recall reading some here back in the day when it was all the chatter.
What I do observe is that while there aren't many "horror stories" like Nonie's, many former FE enthusiasts are not as enthusiastic, either.
At any rate, this is not about the ongoing feud between Deb and Nonie. It's about Deb making unfounded insinuations and calling names. In whose book does that make one a lady, exactly?
Let the pile-on begin. I am the devil with a keyboard, no?
Peace out, y'all. |
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