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Sun Apr 09, 2006 8:01 pm  |
Wow, that page was long. I skimmed through it but added it to my favourites so I can go back and read it carefully tomorrow. Thanks for the informative post!  |
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Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:29 pm |
| Wow, that is interesting. I wonder if anyone here has tried the types of creams that website favors. |
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Sun Apr 09, 2006 10:47 pm |
| That's in my favorite bookmarks. After reading it I did go out to buy generic brand AHA cream. I like it so far. |
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Sun Apr 09, 2006 11:47 pm |
huh, it was an interesting read for sure.
and i think it makes a number of really great points.
however, they really seem to push how copper peptides are the only thing that works and wouldn't you know it? they just happen to sell ALL kinds of copper peptide products. The links at the bottom are either to other places in the website or to "published" articles from Dr. Loren Pickart. of course, published and peer-reviewed are slightly different things, and they don't tell us where these articles were published.
so yah, great information--but take it with a grain of salt  |
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:06 am |
I agree it is interesting and I do use copper peptides but they are biased.
The info on vitamin C misses the point. I use it because it makes my skin glow and prevents sun damage. I don't care that it is not as effective for fine lines. They dis it because it doesn't work well with CPs.
It is true that AHA and retinoids are the only products with significant peer-reviewed research (I could find nothing in the literature on wrinkles and copper peptides). Matrixyl has been studied by a number of universities but no results were ever published instead only presented at conferences, thus details of the studies have not been reviewed. This seems to be a case of the pot calling the kettle black. I have also used Matrixyl for a long time with no bad effects such as skin thickening.
Growth factors have been studied because they're used therapeutically.
EGF does cause hair loss but IGF/KGF do not. We do not know whether topically applied KFs raise blood concentrations at all. I'm leary of long-term safety. |
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:57 am |
OK, I read this article from top to bottom, and I too think it is biased and would also take it with a grain of salt!
When you get to the bottom of the very long-winded article, all of the links take you to the same place - their product line, selling Copper peptides - and this made me a little wary of their motives.
Although I agree with the statements on BHA's, AHA's, Retinols and retinoids etc. being great for the skin, they kept leaning toward the CP's as the best thing out there!
Now, I'm no expert, and am learning along with the rest of you, I know what works and has been working on my skin, and a few things that DO work have none of these products in them.
I LOVE Vit. C serums, - I'm currently using ISC Pro-Heal - but am also using Valmont's Cyto Complex EJ Factor 11 over it, and my skin is improving daily!
I think the average woman who has tried many different products over the years as I and many of you have, cannot be "told" what works and what doesn't.
We see it in the mirror every day! |
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