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Sat May 20, 2006 11:41 am  |
can anyone shed some light as to what the differences are of these 3 products. should you use a combination of them. I am 100% interested in anti aging products. I do not have any problems with acne or scarring etc. JUST THE EVERYDAY ISSUES OF GETTING OLDER 
I was wondering what the best of the best products are...........
please give me all of your opinions on these products.
thank you,
Terri |
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Sat May 20, 2006 7:15 pm |
I don't think there are any clinical studies to back the effectiveness of any of these products, therefore any answer would be pretty subjective.
If you're serious about anti-ageing, why don't you use a really good s/s? That's the #1 age preventer out there. #2 would be some form of Retin-A. |
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Sat May 20, 2006 11:10 pm |
Hi Terri
You can use all three - I do.
In brief - glycolic exfoliates and stimulates new collagen. Copper supposedly aids the removal and repair of damaged skin and retinol makes the skin's turnover speed up.
If you're looking for basic, good products that use these and are not overpriced or fancy you'd do well to look atwww.dianayvonne.com and her boardwww.theskincareboard.com which discusses each of these in depth.
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Mon May 22, 2006 6:22 pm |
thank you Molly, I will definetly take a look at her web site. You say that you use all three. How exactly do you use them. Do you use all three morning and night or do you alternate?
thanks again,
Terri
P.S. Have you ever tried skin biology by Dr. Lauren Pickett |
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Mon May 22, 2006 7:34 pm |
Hi
It's best to use any retinol or glycolic based products at night. Retinol can irritate the skin and glycolic can make you more sensitive to the sun.
Copper peptides are healing so use them in the day.
These are really generics you're talking about rather than products, which is why I suggest you look at Dianayvonne for reasonable products which use these.
As for my routine(s) I'm always changing, but lately I'm using a glycolic based cream maybe twice a week at night. IS Clinical's active serum (this contains glycolic and other chemical exfoliants) most nights. Sometimes I use an IS Clinical serum over it and sometimes I use Skin Biology's SuperCP serum over it, but mostly I use copper peptides in the morning because they're healing and provide some anti-oxidant protection. I'm only using retinol (Green Cream) on my eye area at the moment - at night. I used to use Retin A (stronger than Retinol) all over maybe every other night. You asked  but that's probably not clarified anything for you.
If you're new to skincare. You should also wear a sunscreen during the day if you're using glycolic and/or retinol at night. And an antioxidant like Vitamin C gives most people great results (daytime, under your sunscreen).
I'm all out of C or I'd use it.
Hope that helps a bit.
Molly |
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Tue May 23, 2006 8:20 am |
Molly when you used the Vitamin C did you use it at the same time you used the copper peptides? I have heard that Vitamin C and copper peptides should not be applied at the same time, that they should be applied at least 12 hours apart. About putting copper peptides over Acitve serum, I thought that if you are using AHAs then you need to neutralize them first because the acidity can degrade the copper peptides.
I don't use copper peptides myself so I am no expert on this but I would be reluctant to use them until I looked into the possible contradictions that I mentioned. You really seem to have a nice skin care routine and it seems like you put alot of thought into it. What is your opinion on combining copper peptides with Vitamin C or AHAs? TIA |
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Tue May 23, 2006 8:46 am |
Hi Theresa
That's right theoretically the copper kills the C so you can't apply at the same time. If I have C I use it AM and copper PM. A lot of CP users happily combine the two in this way.
Good question about the AHAs degrading the copper. I wait for about 30 mins after applying the Active serum before putting on the copper. I got this from examining the routines onwww.theskincareboard.com though they're mostly talking about other acids (salicylic and mandelic etc.) - I'm just assuming it's the same.
Have a look at the board I mention if you're keen on introducing CPs alongside C - it's pretty much what they do. Molly |
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Tue May 23, 2006 9:41 am |
Molly thanks for your reply! It does answer all my questions.
Thanks for the link. I am not planning on adding copper peptides to my routine at this time but I am interested in finding out more about them. I already use Differin (not as strong as RetinA if anyone is wondering) and have just added a Vitamin C serum and at this time that is enought for me but I really do want to keep up on what is available should I feel that I need to expand my routine. |
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Tue May 23, 2006 1:27 pm |
I use all of them at different times. In general you should use acid loving products together (I use glycolic acid/green tea/ vit C) in the morning (along with of course a sunscreen)and peptide based things in the evening. I do high strength glycolic peels in the early evening (every 1-3 weeks depending on my skin condition) then neutralize and later use my normal products.
I spot treat morning and evening with Tazorac (a retinoid).
I have found that glycolic peels followed by something healing is the only thing that budges deep lines.
Good luck. I also use the Face Aerobics video by Judith Olivia. |
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Tue May 23, 2006 1:56 pm |
| sharky what you said really makes sense. I have one question, what do you mean by spot treat with Tazorac? Do you spot treat pimples or just certain wrinkle prone areas or both? |
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Tue May 23, 2006 2:45 pm |
| I put the Tazorac on pimples, along my hairline which is where I get pimples and on fine lines. I do not put it all over because some areas of my skin are very dry. |
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Tue May 23, 2006 5:17 pm |
Sharky, what kind of glycolic peels do you use and where do you get them from.
thank you so much for your information
Terri |
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Tue May 23, 2006 6:48 pm |
| I did not know that you could use glycolic acid/green tea/ vit C together. Maybe, I will try that. |
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Tue May 23, 2006 8:13 pm |
| Hi Sharky, I'm not sure it's quite that clear-cut with the CPs though (not sure what peptides you're using) because the second generation of stronger CP products from Skinbio are all combined with Salicylic acid for greater penetration and effectiveness. I just remembered that last night after the first acid question. They're quite mild though - not sure about the exact PH. |
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Wed May 24, 2006 3:44 am |
Sorry to hijack your thread but I have bottle of Copper Peptide serum in my cupboard I bought about a year ago but have been too scared to use it after hearing about the 'remodelling' process.
I don't want to use glycolics apart from the Juice Green Apple Peel and Epidermx microdermabrasion - will this be enough to prevent the copperpetide uglies?
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Lucia, VERY fair (ghostly so!)redhead, combination skin prone to dehydration. |
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Wed May 24, 2006 5:02 am |
I wouldn't worry Lucia.
Not everyone suffers from the 'uglies', I certainly never did. Besides you seem quite young to have big damage to come to the surface so unless you have old scars or whatever under the surface. I'm not sure the ordinary CP serum is strong enough to bring it on anyhow.
As far as exfoliation 'curing' the uglies goes, I wouldn't have thought it would help. It would just make any uglies if they appeared leave more quickly because your skin turnover would be quicker.
My (simplistic, but I hope accurate) reading from the users on Dianayvonne is that some people get damage surfacing from lower dermal levels faster than they produce new collagen with CPs and hence the uglies.
HTH - M |
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Thu May 25, 2006 5:40 am |
For glycolic peels I mix 70% glycolic acid from the Personal Formulator with yogurt or pumpkin and adjust to about a pH of 2.5 with TEA also from PF. I neutralize my face after with ethanol and then ACV to restore acid mantle the PSF O2 serum. Between peels I use DDF 12.5% glycolic body lotion. I love it the texture is really nice and it has other good ingredients and is inexpensive (I even use it on my legs).
Most bioactive molecules denature at low pH so that's why I don't use them with the acid loving products. For copper peptides I various people say they shouldn't be used with Vit C or acids I think u have to have a high vit C and copper concentration to have a problem and some people say that there isn't a problem but I just don't use them together.
I started using the regular serum. I did not see much effect except for redness. Now I use Super Cop on and off as a spot tretment on my one reall line and on scars, moles, brown spots. It does seem to work to reduce anything that is raised. I alos use the CP product folligen on my hair with some success. |
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Thu May 25, 2006 6:32 am |
Thanks Molly! I may dig it out and have a go with it.
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Lucia, VERY fair (ghostly so!)redhead, combination skin prone to dehydration. |
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Thu May 25, 2006 7:28 am |
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I'm only using retinol (Green Cream) on my eye area at the moment - at night. I used to use Retin A (stronger than Retinol) all over maybe every other night. You asked but that's probably not clarified anything for you.
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So you can use Green Cream in the eye area without drying it out and get great cell turnover there? I am Retin A user but learned the hard way about the eye area. Made me look 80 yrs old fast so I geve it up there. but I really want the cell turnover you get from a retinoid in the eye area. |
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Thu May 25, 2006 8:49 am |
I'm sorry Wenrwdy but I can't really help you with your question.
The thing is I responded miraculously well to Retin A, no irritation, no dryness even on my eye area so I'm not going to have problems with retinol either. Besides I've only added the green cream for the past 2 or 3 weeks maybe and that's just because I've had a little sample pot for a long time and I was curious to try it. I can't really say if there are any results with it yet.
It's a curious thread this. Seems to be all about my shabby routine now, which is only based on what I've got. I'd rather do something else actually . I'd only keep the cleanser and the CPs from my present routine if I had the choice and everything else would be different. |
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