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Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:06 pm      Reply with quote
A friend just had botox b/t the brows. (For those that read my previous post on this she needed a bit more and then it worked.)

Anyway, the injector told her that she could inject right under the eye area- not crow's feet but right under the eye!!!

That is my main problem area right now and I am SOOOOO tempted to try it but it sort of freaks me out to think of having anything injected there. Has anyone ever had that done?
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I had this done 3 years ago and have not had it again since. I received 5 shots under each eye that ended with each last shot a few millimeters below the crows feet area. I don't really have crows feet but I did have some light wrinkling under my eyes. They first put on some numbing salve that I was to sit with on for 30 minutes. Then came the shots. I got really sweaty, queasy and nervous when I saw the shots coming at my eyes. The doctor told me to close them for a bit. I then had to open them again because he needed a clear view under my eyes without my upper eyelashes getting in the way and I don't have what most would call long eyelashes. It was weird with each shot the first two did not hurt but the closer to the crows feet area (muscle) the more it hurt. The numbing cream does not completely remove pain it just takes away some of it. For some reason the shots towards the crows feet area burned when injected. I don't know if that's normal since I'd never had it done before and have not had it done since. Overall it did help a little in the under eye area but I didn't notice a dramatic result that you would see with shots between the brows and by just the crows feet. I think that under the eyes is a more difficult area. Also, one of the injections left a bruise that stayed around for nearly 6 months. It was a small (eraser head size) bruise that I had to cover up with concealer. I don't fault the PS for this. He told me that this could happen when I first met him. The eye area bruises easier than other areas of the face. If you are sensitive to bruising this is something to consider.

I have not had it done again for many reasons. I did not enjoy the shots and I am not afraid of shots normally but having 10 done under your eyes (5 under each) was a bit frightening to say the least. Secondly, it left a bruise. Thirdly, the cost wasn't worth the lasting effect of just 3 months.

I have gotten TCA peels under my eyes instead. I've done them myself purchased from Platinum Skin Care and the results that I have seen have been very pleasing. I swab the TCA on under my eyes (don't apply too close to lower lashes, just near enough) as well as in the crows feet region. I use 16% and have done 4 of them now every 2 months. I have had better results than I did with the Botox and it is in my own home, at my discretion and the cost savings is tremendous. TCA peels build up collagen, Botox does not.
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Mon Aug 07, 2006 3:15 pm      Reply with quote
Hi!

What are TCA peels and where do you get them from?

Thanks !
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Mon Aug 07, 2006 3:44 pm      Reply with quote
Anna: Thank you so much for your post! I guess I will not get Boxtox as I bruise very, very easily.

Could you please tell me what TCA peels are and how exactly you do them.
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Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:29 pm      Reply with quote
Just go to the Platinum Skincare site. They have a detailed explanation of glycolic peels, TCA peels, etc. along with great instructions and very reasonable pricing. Before using IS Clinical, I used to do a weekly Glycolic peel with products I got from them. Very satisfactory results...
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Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:08 pm      Reply with quote
Hi Katee.

I use IS Clinical and like the line a lot but the eye complex did not do that much for me. (I even have the IS Clinical eye C gel.)

I'm 36 so I think it's just where my aging is starting as I'm pretty happy with my skin everywhere else.

I'm hesitant to use acids under my eye area though as even when I've tried to use Active Serum there it ends up looking worse as I think it is too strong for me there.

Do you have any other suggestions? (and thanks)
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Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:59 am      Reply with quote
TCA is Trichloroacetic acid and it is a deeper peel than Glycolic, Lactic and Salicylic acids. It helps with fine lines and pigment discolourations. I have had success with it which is why I have continued to do them.

I have noticed that all TCA peels for home use are not created equal. In an attempt to save money I purchased from a few ebay sellers and I found that even their higher formulas 18%, 20% were weaker than the 12% and 16% that I bought from Platinum Skincare. I started with their 12% first then worked up to 16%. Platinum Skincare recommends this for people new to TCA peels. They sell samples which allows you about 3 or 4 peels to start with. You might try this to see if your skin agrees with it. If it doesn't you could always use the remainder on your hands or chest area. I don't work for Platinum Skincare I just found that their peels are superior to the others that I've seen and bought out there.

What you do: Cleanse your face with a grease cutter type cleanser. I used dishsoap which although this would be awful in a normal situation the purpose is to remove ALL traces of oil from your face to allow the acid to penetrate. In a doctor's office they use alcohol or acetone to do this after one has cleansed the face. I didn't have either so dish soap worked well for me. Using a cotton ball or cotton pad apply a few drops of the TCA to the pad and begin to swipe across the face or the intended area. If you are using under the eyes then I would recommend using a cotton tipped swab/Q tip and dip this into the vile with TCA. For under the eye just carefully glide under the eye area and crows feet. Less is more and if you want you can add a bit more by gliding it over again a minute later. For the face swipe across the face as if you would using a facial toner. This is what is called one layer. You probably won't see much with one layer to start with maybe a little bit a very light flaking in a few days but that's about it. IF you want to do another layer (the first time they suggest 1 or 2 layers only) then you wait 30 seconds to 1 minute allowing the first layer to soak in a bit and then you swipe again across your face. Depending on your skin and sensitivity your skin might turn a slight whitish grey colour in some areas. This lasts for maybe a hour or less. I have found that mine does below my mouth and sometimes around my eyes. This is NORMAL. It means that those areas will probably peel a bit which is more than just flaking. You leave on the peel for about 5 minutes or so. What I like about TCA is that initially it stings when first applied but that goes away pretty quickly compared to Glycolic acid which seems to sting or burn the entire time that it is on the face. Once the minutes are up you rinse your face with water or if you chose you can mix a bit of sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) with some water and pat over the face. This neutralises the acid although at 12% you really wouldn't need that. Then dry your face and apply a non irritating cream, oil (emu, jojoba, etc.) or your can leave it bare. In my experience leaving it bare makes my face flake and/or peel faster. Once it starts to peel though use a cream or oil to protect the new skin underneath. Over the course of a few days your face might feel a bit tight, depending on how many layers that you did it might also take on a slightly tan/brownish colour again this is normal. Then your skin will start flaking or peeling depending on the number of layers. I usually do 2 layers of 16% on a Wednesday evening, by Thursday my face feels dry maybe a little wrinkled looking but nothing scary enough to cause alarm, by Friday it is feeling and looking more dry but face cream can help, Saturday it is peeling, peeling also on Sunday by Monday it is much better looking and certainly presentable with only a few dry patches left. You can aid in the peeling by using warm compresses on the face which "loosens" the skin but do not pull on the skin as this can cause scarring. Again this all depends on what % you have and how many layers you have used. If you use 12% the first time and only 1 layer then you will most likely only flake and it will not take as many days.

Home use TCA is weaker than that at a doctor's office. A lot of pictures that I have seen online make it look like this is a major procedure but those are in office patients and the % of their peels are often 30% or higher and usually several layers as well. A 12% or 16% will not give you those dramatic results after one peel but what I like about these home peels is that I can control how much I will flake or peel based on strength of the formula and the number of layers. You can get great results with doing several less deep peels over time.

Hope this helps. Sorry it is so long. Smile

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Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:51 am      Reply with quote
Anna,thanks for the details. Great post! Reminds me to get out my TCA Samples and work on my little scar I keep forgetting about.

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Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:21 am      Reply with quote
That's fantastic, thanks, Anna.

My under eye lines are driving me crazy and I've found nothing so far that really helps to diminish their appearance.

Now that I've tried glycolic on my legs and a few times and once on my face, I feel a little more confident enough to give this a go. I used to be terrified of using peels, but I guess as long as you're very careful, they're actually pretty useful.
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Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:15 pm      Reply with quote
For some people, Botox is a wonder drug!

But, honestly, I would not ever even consider Botox anywhere near my body, including my skin.

Many people don't realize that Botox is the botulinum toxin. This is the same toxin that cause botulism. People die from botulism! The botulinum toxin is the most potent toxin known to man. An extremely small amount kills!

Another little known fact is how Botox works. It actually paralyzes the muscles around the wrinkle, causing them to relax - and as a result - no more wrinkle. I'm not too keen about injecting something into my face to paralyze a muscle just for a wrinkle.

I guess I just don't trust anyone, including a doctor, enough to inject me with the most lethal toxin known to man, just for a few wrinkles.

But - everyone is different.
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Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:17 am      Reply with quote
anna in sweden-great post on tca peels.I've been thinking about trying it out.I've done numerous Vit Apeels. My ? is about use under the eye- how close can I get under the eye.I have alittle puffiness inthe corner, in addition what about the upper eye lids. thanks for your help.
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Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:06 pm      Reply with quote
I applied it almost up to to the lower lash line maybe a millimeter away but as close as possible without getting on lashes or in the eyes. As for the top lids I haven't done that. I don't know if that is recommended but I'm not an expert. Maybe you could google it using words like "TCA upper lids" or something like that.
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Sun Aug 13, 2006 10:10 am      Reply with quote
Thanks Anna
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Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:07 pm      Reply with quote
You're welcome. Smile

This was posted above: "Another little known fact is how Botox works. It actually paralyzes the muscles around the wrinkle, causing them to relax - and as a result - no more wrinkle."

Actually that is a big known fact. That's why people do it, that's why I did it. Why else would they otherwise? I'm not trying to critisize you at all I just think that people who get Botox already know what it's about and trust that the doctor's injecting do as well. Hopefully they do research the doctor beforehand. Here they have to be a certified PS who injects Botox and not a Dermatologist. In the end after 1 time I didn't have Botox again because of 3 reasons that I listed above, none of which had to do with temporary muscle paralysis and subsequent wrinkle reduction. I have had longer term results (without high cost, needles and fear factor) with TCA peels. I don't mean to sound rude and I hope I don't come across that way. Smile
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Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:18 pm      Reply with quote
To Anna of Sweden -

No offense taken! I appreciate the fact that people can express themselves without reservation. Thank you for your input to my reply!
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Tue Dec 27, 2011 7:19 pm      Reply with quote
During my research on Botox I stumbled across this forum. So happy to find "Anna in Sweden"'s post. I did go forth with Botox in my "11's and above the brows and I have to say that I am quite pleased with the results. I have been using a 35% glycolic peel for the last several months and find it to be mediocre so I am definitely going to order the TCA peel from Platinum Skincare based on Anna's recommendation and try it under my eyes as an alternative to Botox in that area. I will post results for anyone interested in TCA peels under the eyes vs. Botox or Glycolic peels Smile

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Wed Dec 28, 2011 6:52 am      Reply with quote
TCA peels sound effective, but the stuff is a major health hazard. There are strong indications that exposure to TCA can cause malformation in future births, according to Dutch health authorities. Also it can cause cancer of liver and kidneys.
At the very LEAST I should think those of you out there who plan to have children some day should read up on the stuff and go very, very carefully, if at all, with TCA.

Here is a link to an American document about TCA http://nj.gov/health/eoh/rtkweb/documents/fs/1883.pdf
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Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:26 am      Reply with quote
I've had Botox injected right under my eyes a few times. It took me a number of times to realize that Botox under the eyes created deep tear troughs beneath my eyes when I smiled, by immobilizing the muscles atop and beneath that area of the undereye.(I never had noticeable tear troughs before, and now after stopping Botox in that area, I don't have them anymore.) My PS confirmed it's a potential effect of Botox in that area. I honestly never saw a benefit to injecting Botox there, and in fact saw an undesirable effect. I love Botox on my forehead and between my brows, however.
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