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Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:23 am  |
| Hi, on another board I saw this new cream mentioned. I did a google search, it is made in Russia, may contain stem cells so it is contraversial. Supposed to be ground-breaking, (as everything else is, lol!). |
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:19 am |
Here is the blurb that I am seeing about this cream:
"Is Amatokin the first product to harness the potential of your own stem cells to reduce serious wrinkles? This “super-secret” wrinkle cream, called Amatokin, is not actually a cream at all, but a “highly efficient ‘barrier-neutral' emulsion” containing a unique polypeptide compound (known in official circles as polypeptide #153). This meta-peptide was developed in a high-security lab 62 miles north of St. Petersburg, Russia. The original objective of the project was to find a better way to help burn victims heal, but the real promise is in harnessing the power of stem cells to renew old skin and make it young. … Amatokin is the most controversial anti-aging skin cream in more than three decades. …While the public debate rages about the use of stem cells from fertilized human eggs, most people don't realize that human skin is the largest repository of stem cells in the body. Industry sources say Amatokin could be the most sought-after formula to ever hit the anti-wrinkle, anti-aging market. Bottom line: The ability of Amatokin and stem-cell science to deliver wrinkle-free skin remains mostly rumor – but a very persistent one"
I actually have done some research on the use of topical stem cells to rejuvenate skin. It is similar in concept to what brands like Cellcosmet claim except it uses actual stem cells. The premise is that the cell (stem or otherwise) is able to tell your damaged/aging cells what to do and in this way rejuvenates your existing cells and makes them function like normal/young cells. While there is some good research on stem cell threrapy it has nothing to do with topically applied stem cells and it involves some very complex processes to attempt to integrate the stem cells with your own cells. So from everything I have seen it does not work!
However, it seems to me from the brief information that the Anatokin product may not actually contain stem cells and that it is supposed to work by other means. It seems like the polypeptide that they are using in this product is supposed to work to harness the power of your own stem cells to get them to behave in a younger manner. Can a polypeptide do this? I have no clue and it is unfortunate that at this time we don't have much information on this cream, the polypeptide they are using or any real proof that it works. It may be much ado about nothing and a bunch of marketing or they may have something to back it up. I guess we will know when more information about this cream is available. Personally I will not get excited about this product until I see a lot more information! |
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Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:58 pm |
Ha, ha, very exotic : 62 miles north of St. Petersburg. It means the lab must be somewhere near to the border with Finland – where the Russians never would build any secret laboratory, but anyway, sounds very conspiratory…
Dunno, all that sounds just suspicious. |
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:17 pm |
| If you go to the Amatokin site, it looks like they're selling it at the French Sephora now. |
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:47 pm |
| I just sent them an email requesting a sample. |
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:56 pm |
| salli wrote: |
| I just sent them an email requesting a sample. |
Did you email Amatokin or Sephora? |
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:02 pm |
| I thought it was Amatokin. When I clicked on Sephora it came up in French. |
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:09 pm |
| Thanks! Let us know what they say. |
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:12 pm |
| Will do. |
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:14 pm |
At the "Make Me Heal" website, they say it will be available summer 2007.
(I guess I'm too new here to post links) |
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:22 pm |
| If you pull up the Amatokin (sp) website there is a Sephora symbol and it looks like you can purchase it at Sephora France right now. |
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:25 pm |
| It does look that way. Or perhaps, pre-order it. Do we have any French speakers here????? |
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:34 pm |
| I think we need to get avalange involved in this. I believe she is going to school in Paris. |
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:50 pm |
Basically Sephora (France)is giving you a phone number for more info & to be placed on a waiting list  HTH... 190 euros..close to $300. cdn yeesh!  |
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:53 pm |
call to duty!
Here I am.
If you would like to try Amatokin, it's going to be sold "uniquely" at Sephora, at 190 Euros a pop. There is not much information currently on sephora's french site other than this bizarrely unscientific marketing ploy:
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Amatokin - Emulsion visage
Un secret anti-âge, ça se dit à l'oreille, ça ne s'écrit pas… |
which means: "Amatokin--face emulsion. An anti-aging secret that's by word-of-mouth, not written down..."
 m. If you're dying to get ahold of a sample, you can call:
+33 892 70 70 70 ! But I am sure the recording is in French. Let me know if you would like me to sign anyone up. I'm not sure they will send samples outside of France, however, because I'm sure they are limited...
Oh, you can go towww.amatokin.com and sign up there as well.
I wish there was more information I could tell you!
I did find this tidbit, though, which I'm rather inclined to agree with:
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Manufactured controversy as marketing
I came across a press release for a new purported antiaging product called Amatokin that takes manufactured controversy to a new level in marketing.
The press release, which is written on behalf of the company marketing the product, says the following:
Rumors linking some of the most famous faces in Hollywood (both male and female superstars) to a high-tech "mystery" cream have been vehemently denied. Noted Park Avenue cosmetic dermatologist, Deborah Sarnoff MD, says only “my lips are sealed.” A trip to the official web site (www.Amatokin.com) yields no information (but you can leave a message). Attempts to find a tube, a jar, a bottle... or whatever else it may come in... have ended in frustration. Yet the buzz gets louder... the rumors persist. Does this underground, stem cell-based, anti-aging, wrinkle cream really exist? Well, the answer is yes... and... no.
Here's what we found out.
This “super-secret” wrinkle cream, called Amatokin (pronounced am-a-toke-in), is not really a cream at all, but a "highly efficient 'barrier-neutral' emulsion" containing a unique polypeptide compound (known in official circles as polypeptide #153). This meta-peptide was developed 62 miles north of St. Petersburg, Russia in a high-security lab (complete with razor wire and machine-gun-toting armed guards… no kidding).
The original goal of Amatokin research was to find a better way to help burn victims heal. And while the important burn research continues (with positive results), the real money is in harnessing the power of stem cells to renew old skin and make it young. If stem cells can heal burn victims and reduce scarring they can surely help smooth the deepest wrinkles and make skin look flawless… making the promise of stem cells the proverbial fountain of youth.
Controversy? Pretty much every entry about Amatokin on the internet is either this press release republished or a link to the press release that cites it in bolstering the case for Amatokin's possible benefits.
And yes, I realize that I've now added such a reference. But I doubt with the number of entries out there it will make a difference, and at least in this case I'm displaying even a modicum of critical thinking.
Are consumers really that easily duped? The product may indeed work, but the marketing approach doesn't give me much confidence. Try including some clinical studies rather than attempting to create hype through artificial rumor and thinly veiled PR fluff. |
--avalange |
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:57 pm |
| Avalange, that you for your help! |
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:59 pm |
What is so interesting about this whole thing is its utter transparency as a marketing ploy. I mean, come on! Sephora is giving it away with their little blurb. How insidious!
It's a "word-of-mouth" secret, not something written down. I'd say, "they wish," but I'll bet you it becomes a huge hit like Strivectin.
Why aren't THESE kinds of products regulated? I just posted earlier on an article that claims that supplements and essential oils are 'dangerous' and 'unregulated.' But they've been used for thousands of years and there is a tradition of common wisdom surrounding their use that is very easy to tap into and in most cases verify. These marketing scams, on the other hand, purport to do something they will never do, and they are sheer misrepresentation. Undiscerning consumers (and hopefully not EDS users) will be wasting their money on this cream.
--avalange |
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http://newnaturalbeauty.tumblr.com/ 37, light-toned olive skin, broken caps, normal skin. My staples: Osea cleansing milk, Algae Oil, Advanced Protection Cream, Eyes & Lips, Tata Harper, Julie Hewett makeup, Amazing Cosmetics Powder, & By Terry Light Expert, Burnout, and daily inversion therapy and green smoothies! |
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Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:27 am |
| avalange wrote: |
What is so interesting about this whole thing is its utter transparency as a marketing ploy. I mean, come on! Sephora is giving it away with their little blurb. How insidious!
It's a "word-of-mouth" secret, not something written down. I'd say, "they wish," but I'll bet you it becomes a huge hit like Strivectin.
Why aren't THESE kinds of products regulated? I just posted earlier on an article that claims that supplements and essential oils are 'dangerous' and 'unregulated.' But they've been used for thousands of years and there is a tradition of common wisdom surrounding their use that is very easy to tap into and in most cases verify. These marketing scams, on the other hand, purport to do something they will never do, and they are sheer misrepresentation. Undiscerning consumers (and hopefully not EDS users) will be wasting their money on this cream.
--avalange |
And besides, why aren't the clinical trials published. Unfortunetely I am sure this will fly off the shelves now that it's available in the US. |
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Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:40 am |
| I would like to see some proof and before after photos, why arent those available? What I find very suspect is the company is the SAME company that put out strivectin!-the biggest "anti-wrinkle" ripoff ever.100 for a lotion that doesnt do squat! Beware!!!!!! |
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Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:27 am |
Lucyluc,
Amen Sistah Pants! Strivectin is such a hoax - I returned it after giving it a good try. |
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Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:28 am |
| I bought mine from Macy's dont have a reciept,wish i could return it too. |
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Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:39 am |
| Was STRIVECTIN developed by the Russian company? I have never seen it mentioned anywhere. Why do you guys think it is the same company? |
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Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:37 pm |
| I had read in a mag that strivectin and amatokin are products of the same co. ,I think its Voss. |
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Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:27 pm |
| This is available for purchase now online from bloomingdales website for I think 175. Why doesnt the co show before and after photos? The companies that manufacture restylane, sculptra, botox etc....they ALL have before and after photos .I wanted to email this request to the company Voss laboratories but they dont have a website that I could find and neither does amatokin have a way to email them. |
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