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Wed Dec 20, 2006 12:26 am  |
| Please forgive me if this is already a thread. I can't find it if was already addressed. Is there a difference in effectiveness or strength betweeen homemmade aspirin mask and a low % of Salicylic Acid? I know the aspirin mask is a regular thing with lots of you. I am trying to make up 3 different variations. My husband and I can take stronger on t zone area. Do you think the gel would be better? My son needs a very gentle one. I made one with yogurt and honey today and he was fine with it - no stinging. I have more sensitive face so need gentler on cheeks but chin and nose can be stronger. |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:33 am |
the gentlest sa product that I know of is exfol serum (skin biology). a 2% SA in a water/aloe base, and the ph is 3.2.
(I don't do this, but) I could put this all over my combo to dry skin twice a day if I wanted to and not have any dryness or flakiness. when I need more punch, i use a slightly stronger 2% (1.9 ph - alcohol base) in my t zone.
the exfol serum is a wonderful product, a little dab on any up comming "pimple-possiblities" usually nips 'em in the bud.
don't forget to wait about a 1/2 hr after you apply to continue with the rest of your routine. |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:50 am |
| A homemade aspirin mask would definitely be weaker than a low % of pure SA in a base. I love the exfol serum for sensitive areas. Ifeelprettyproducts.com has a great acid range as well. |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:00 am |
| bubbleoffplumb wrote: |
the gentlest sa product that I know of is exfol serum (skin biology). a 2% SA in a water/aloe base, and the ph is 3.2.
(I don't do this, but) I could put this all over my combo to dry skin twice a day if I wanted to and not have any dryness or flakiness. when I need more punch, i use a slightly stronger 2% (1.9 ph - alcohol base) in my t zone.
the exfol serum is a wonderful product, a little dab on any up comming "pimple-possiblities" usually nips 'em in the bud.
don't forget to wait about a 1/2 hr after you apply to continue with the rest of your routine. |
Bubble: do you know the difference in strength/gentleness between SB's Exfol Serum and Exfol Cream? |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:09 am |
| Thanks you guys. Do you think the Exfol stings? It does seem like it would be very gentle at that pH and with the aloe in there. I guess I will ask them if it is used on kids.Maybe the homemade aspirin mask in indeed what what is best for kids. I actually think the one I made irritated my cheeks a little but of course nose and chin are fine. I also feel oilier . Do you think it starts to pull stuff out and that can happen or do you think it is a sign I overstripped/dried my skin and skin is overcompensating? How long are you leaving it on and isn't it ok to use a balancing toner after? I thought they suggested ACV in one recipe? Also, what is the higher strength that you used? I thought I read somewhere that higher is not always better with this and that at 2% -3% it really does work the best. Don't think this was on the forum, I think I read on a site somewhere. TIA |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:54 am |
| persephone wrote: |
Bubble: do you know the difference in strength/gentleness between SB's Exfol Serum and Exfol Cream? |
exfol cream 2% Salicylic Acid 3.2 pH.
Ingredients: Purified water, aloe vera gel, squalane, octyl palmitate, PEG-stearate, glycerol stearate, safflower oil, salicylic acid, stearic acid, cetyl alcohol, allantoin, diazolinydinyl urea, methylparaben, propylparaben, bronopol, mixed (alpha, beta, gamma, delta) tocopherols, mixed (alpha, beta, gamma, delta) tocotrienols, vitamin D.
exfol serum 2% Salicylic Acid 3.2 pH.
Ingredients: Purified water, aloe vera gel, salicylic acid, hydroxyethylcellulose, allantoin, polysorbate-20.
looks like they both have the same free acid value, and are the same strength. it’s just a matter of the formulation.
I’ve never tried the cream, but from what i’ve read, there are more issues with skin bio’s creams.
fwiw: i am currently using a cream formulation of their copper (super cop cream) and haven’t experienced any pore clogging issues.
mommydearest -
i hate to say the exfol would never sting, but I've never personally had that experience.
I've used this on my 8 year old goddess-in-training (along with cp serum). i just wouldn't apply to any "open" wounds. for her, first I use emu - if she needs something more I'll use copper, and i have used the exfol with these othere products when she had Molluscum Contagiosum - cleared her up.
I really don't know much about asprin masks, so I can't help with that. i don't know if I would uses these on my girl - but that's just me. I'm not sure if aspirin (acetyl salicylic) is the exact same thing as salicylic???
as far as using a toner, I don't use one. my cleanser is a low ph, and if i was using the exfol - that's a low ph, too. (?? i always thought a toner would be used to get the ph back down after using a more alkaline product on one's skin ??)
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| I thought I read somewhere that higher is not always better with this and that at 2% -3% it really does work the best. |
the stronger product I mentioned is a 2% SA as well, but a lower ph (1.9) and in an alcohol base. the strongest salicylic I use is 5% (1.9 ph). For general pore cleaning, I don't think you need stronger that that.
from dianayvonne.com:
"Salicylic acid is effective at concentration between 1 and 3%. Glycolic acid becomes effective at concentrations of about 7% to 10%"
numbers can be deceiving - free acid value has to do with the strength of the product - % and ph are both factors. a 20% product with a high ph may not be as strong as a 7% product with a low ph. it's a bit confusing.
this page explains it a bit
(scroll down for free acid value info):
http://dianayvonne.zoovy.com/category/16.aboutpeels |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 12:10 pm |
| I think maybe DY site is where I read it. Tell me again about what you did with your daughter? What were you trying to fix? My son has tiny blackheads and clogged pores. I have tried everything. I have smoothed out his nose for sure but there is still stuff in there and don't want to squeeze. I know he won't like the Biore strips. He just seems too young to have this. So you use the EMU first for moisture? What did you use the copper on her for? Maybe Salicylic and Aspirin are not the same. Is Salicylic same as Beta Hydroxy? |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 1:33 pm |
| mommydearest wrote: |
| Thanks you guys. Do you think the Exfol stings? It does seem like it would be very gentle at that pH and with the aloe in there. I guess I will ask them if it is used on kids.Maybe the homemade aspirin mask in indeed what what is best for kids. I actually think the one I made irritated my cheeks a little but of course nose and chin are fine. I also feel oilier . Do you think it starts to pull stuff out and that can happen or do you think it is a sign I overstripped/dried my skin and skin is overcompensating? |
This is a sign of your skin overcompensating, it doesn't "pull" anything out, it cuts through/disolves the sebum. You should definitely moisturize after doing this. |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 1:39 pm |
ok good to know. I have to wait 30 minutes after though right?
I think during the winter I can strip the surface really easily but it is frustrating because I am still oilier underneath. |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 2:14 pm |
”Molluscum contagiosum is a viral skin infection that causes raised, pearl-like papules or nodules on the skin.”
this was the only time i’ve used the exfol (salicylic acid product) on my daughter. her doctor said i could just leave it be. the md also mentioned the “rash” could last several months to a year.
my girl is not very good with impulse control and scratching, so I asked about SA, and she saw no problems with trying a gentle one.
I used this on her body. then later (30 minuets +), I applied copper/emu.
for general skin healing - i would never hesitate to use either the emu oil or gentle copper peptides on my 8 yo child.
even when she get’s itchy - i’ll use emu or an emu/copper emulsion.
your sons issues seem to be pore related.
I only recommend these products, because I am familiar with them (on my, and my daughters skin). fwiw - I do not have acneic (sp??) skin. ido have enlarged pores in my t-zone, and SA has greatly reduced my blackheads.
ask your son s physician about using exfol (they may not know this product, but should be able to tell you if SA use is safe for him).
if doc says it’s okay, then try this:
a gentle cleanser - no harsh detergents and lower ph (cleanse no more than 2x / day)
exfol serum
wait 30 minutes
if needed emu or other bilogical healing oil for moisture/healing. |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 2:20 pm |
eta:
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| Is Salicylic same as Beta Hydroxy? |
yes |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:12 pm |
| The active ingredent is the same. Gradual increse in concentration would be better for the skin. |
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Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:24 pm |
| and is aspirin basically the same as Salicylic acid, just not as strong? |
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