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Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:20 pm  |
| carekate wrote: |
| MermaidGirl wrote: |
| Cherisse wrote: |
| So true! I am seeing Biosilk at Ralph's (Grocery) and Target. I should try their serum then. |
Cherisse, do a forum search for Biosilk. CareKate - our resident hair serum expert, HATES Biosilk. It has tons of alcohol in it and actually over time ruins your hair. Read her review/comments on it. She recommends the Paves serum product instead. Just wanted you to know! |
Just as I was starting to get extremely alarmed by what I was reading, I get to the end and find that MermaidGirl's helping to spread my gospel!  Thanks, K -- you took the words right out of my mouth.
| carekate wrote: |
Farouk BioSilk Silk Therapy is the absolute WORST thing you can use on your hair! I know, I know: it makes your hair look so shiny and gorgeous. Yeah, that’s how they sucker us in! This stuff will dry out your hair quicker than just about anything except maybe pouring straight rubbing alcohol on it. I was suckered in by Silk Therapy for months until I ran out one day and this forced me to reevaluate the health of my hair and discovered – to my everlasting horror – that my hair was so frizzy and fried looking that I actually had to get it trimmed down to a super-short crop (think Halle Berry) in order to get it healthy again! Therefore, I beseech everyone to toss their bottle of overpriced Silk Therapy in the trash before you wreck your hair beyond redemption! IMHO, that stuff is as damaging to one’s hair as St. Ives Apricot Scrub is to one’s face!!! Being a litigious American, I wish I could file a class-action lawsuit against the makers of both products to sue for the near-permanent damages they caused to my hair and skin....  |
If you don't believe that it dries your hair out after long-term use, think about how your hair looks/feels if you DON'T apply the BioSilk. It's all frizzy and frazzled looking unless you apply it, right? That's cuz your hair is dehydrated and fried from the alcohol. It's like a dependency where you use it cuz you think it works great, then you HAVE to use it cuz your hair looks like crap without it and the more you use it, the more you're damaging your hair and so the cycle continues.... |
Does this apply to Biosilk Thickening Cream as well? |
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Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:06 pm |
| I have been usin Japanese Camilla oil and I love it, I have pretty dry hair. |
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Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:09 pm |
My hair gets much better just after I use Kiehl's amino acid shampoo. It is not a serum, but it is great!
| Cherisse wrote: |
| I used to think Pantene Pro V was the best one until I came to EDS, and now learned that I should say no to Pantene. Now I need to find a replacement for that serum (which is the clear oil looking one). Please help. |
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Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:17 pm |
| lulumylovely wrote: |
| I have been usin Japanese Camilla oil and I love it, I have pretty dry hair. |
Hello, where did you buy this oil? I tried to search and couldn't find it. |
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Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:18 pm |
| blaziamm wrote: |
My hair gets much better just after I use Kiehl's amino acid shampoo. It is not a serum, but it is great!
| Cherisse wrote: |
| I used to think Pantene Pro V was the best one until I came to EDS, and now learned that I should say no to Pantene. Now I need to find a replacement for that serum (which is the clear oil looking one). Please help. |
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Do you have the ingredients for this shampoo on the label? I checked their web site, but they only listed 3 ingredients, so it's not too helpful. Thank you. |
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Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:29 pm |
What does anyone think of this hair serum:
http://www.vitacost.com/Giovanni-Straight-Fast
Ingredients: Aqua (purified water) with organic soybean protein, organic rosemary (rosmarinus officinalis), organic nettle (urtica dioica), organic wild bergamot (citrus aurantium bergamia fruit), organic California poppy (papaver orientale seed), organic rose hips (rosa canina fruit), glycerin (coconut/palm oil), cyclopentasiloxane, dimethicone, phenytrimethicoane, tocopherol (vitamin E), panthenol (pro-vitamin B5), sodium hydroxy methyglycinate, octyl methoxycinnamate (sunscreen). |
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Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:19 am |
| I only use hair -condition and hair mask,now i learn more:)thank you all |
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Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:12 am |
Cherisse, it sounds lovely, up until I got to these ingredients: cyclopentasiloxane, dimethicone, phenytrimethicoane, ... sodium hydroxy methyglycinate, octyl methoxycinnamate (sunscreen). I haven't any idea if they are bad for the hair or not. Someone with more experience/knowledge about product ingredients (CareKate, Candy, Arielle, Wildflower?) should be able to chime in and let you know. |
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Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:39 am |
| jwils wrote: |
| ... Does this apply to Biosilk Thickening Cream as well? |
Probably, but you will have to check the ingredients list and see. Watch for alcohol and bad silicones. |
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Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:59 am |
Hairfix silicone free shine serum. This is really nice and i love the smell. I got it as part of the Detox set but think the $60 price tag is a bit of a rip off just for a serum so dont know if id repurchase when it runs out.
I usually put a bit of styling product on first as the serum itself isnt enough to tame my wavy hair. |
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Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:20 am |
Well...maybe I’ll have an affordable solution for everyone pretty soon because ’ve got three new recipes/formulas that I’m currently developing and one of them is for a hair styling product to eliminate frizzies and give shine (similar to John Master’s pomade, which gets great reviews on MUA) .God, I’m so excited about getting started that I’m tempted to tell my boss I’m sick so I can go home for the rest of the day to get started!  Why oh why can’t I win the lottery or find myself a “sugar daddy” to pay my bills so I can quit my day-job in work in my “lab” full-time?! *le sigh* 
| MermaidGirl wrote: |
| carekate wrote: |
| ... but I'm just anti-silicones (unless they're water-soluble).... |
CareKate, how do you tell if a silicone is water-soluble? Is there a list out there somewhere that tells the difference between water-soluble and non? I know zip about 'cones, just to try to avoid them. TIA! |
I saw the list of water soluble silicones the other day, too....
Found it!
| carekate wrote: |
"Silicones are viscous oily liquids that coat the hair shaft in gloss, giving the illusion of healthy sheen. As most curly hair tends to be sdry and often frizzy, silicones seem like the miracle ingredient to combat these complaints. The downside is that MOST silicones are not water soluble, and can only be removed with harsh detergents. The very detergents needed to remove the silicones strip the hair of all its natural oils, leaving it stripped and straw-like. This causes the user to think she needs more silicones to combat the dryness. Thus, the cycle begins again. If the user is not using these harsh detergents to remove the silicones, they can build up, creating a barrier on the hair shaft. This barrier prevents moisturizing conditioners from penetrating the hair, further drying it out."
How do you know whether it's water soluble or not? Here's a cheat sheet:
• Amodimethicone - not soluble in water by itself;
• Amodimethicone (and) Trideceth-12 (and) Cetrimonium Chloride - mixture that is soluble in water in the bottle;
• Behenoxy Dimethicone - sparingly soluble in water
• Cetearyl methicone - not soluble in water
• Cetyl Dimethicone - not soluble in water
• Cyclomethicone - not soluble in water
• Cyclopentasiloxane - not soluble in water
• Dimethicone - not soluble in water
• Dimethicone Copolyol - water soluble
• Dimethiconol - not soluble in water
• Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein Hydroxypropyl Polysiloxane - water soluble
• Stearoxy Dimethicone - sparingly soluble in water
• Stearyl Dimethicone - not soluble in water
• Trimethylsilylamodimethicone - not soluble in water
• Lauryl methicone copolyol - water soluble
My personal feeling is that using a shampoo or conditioner containing water-soluable silicones is not harmful to my hair so I don't worry too much about it. I *do* try to avoid products containing copius amounts of the other silicones, but so long is it isn't listed in the first 3-5 ingredients on the list, then I believe it's safe to use. |
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Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:11 pm |
| carekate wrote: |
Well...maybe I’ll have an affordable solution for everyone pretty soon because ’ve got three new recipes/formulas that I’m currently developing and one of them is for a hair styling product to eliminate frizzies and give shine (similar to John Master’s pomade, which gets great reviews on MUA) .God, I’m so excited about getting started that I’m tempted to tell my boss I’m sick so I can go home for the rest of the day to get started! Why oh why can’t I win the lottery or find myself a “sugar daddy” to pay my bills so I can quit my day-job in work in my “lab” full-time?! *le sigh*
| MermaidGirl wrote: |
| carekate wrote: |
| ... but I'm just anti-silicones (unless they're water-soluble).... |
CareKate, how do you tell if a silicone is water-soluble? Is there a list out there somewhere that tells the difference between water-soluble and non? I know zip about 'cones, just to try to avoid them. TIA! |
I saw the list of water soluble silicones the other day, too....
Found it!
| carekate wrote: |
"Silicones are viscous oily liquids that coat the hair shaft in gloss, giving the illusion of healthy sheen. As most curly hair tends to be sdry and often frizzy, silicones seem like the miracle ingredient to combat these complaints. The downside is that MOST silicones are not water soluble, and can only be removed with harsh detergents. The very detergents needed to remove the silicones strip the hair of all its natural oils, leaving it stripped and straw-like. This causes the user to think she needs more silicones to combat the dryness. Thus, the cycle begins again. If the user is not using these harsh detergents to remove the silicones, they can build up, creating a barrier on the hair shaft. This barrier prevents moisturizing conditioners from penetrating the hair, further drying it out."
How do you know whether it's water soluble or not? Here's a cheat sheet:
• Amodimethicone - not soluble in water by itself;
• Amodimethicone (and) Trideceth-12 (and) Cetrimonium Chloride - mixture that is soluble in water in the bottle;
• Behenoxy Dimethicone - sparingly soluble in water
• Cetearyl methicone - not soluble in water
• Cetyl Dimethicone - not soluble in water
• Cyclomethicone - not soluble in water
• Cyclopentasiloxane - not soluble in water
• Dimethicone - not soluble in water
• Dimethicone Copolyol - water soluble
• Dimethiconol - not soluble in water
• Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein Hydroxypropyl Polysiloxane - water soluble
• Stearoxy Dimethicone - sparingly soluble in water
• Stearyl Dimethicone - not soluble in water
• Trimethylsilylamodimethicone - not soluble in water
• Lauryl methicone copolyol - water soluble
My personal feeling is that using a shampoo or conditioner containing water-soluable silicones is not harmful to my hair so I don't worry too much about it. I *do* try to avoid products containing copius amounts of the other silicones, but so long is it isn't listed in the first 3-5 ingredients on the list, then I believe it's safe to use. |
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What work do you do, Carrie? I think you're looking a bit under the weather right now. You should go home. |
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Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:48 am |
| I just started using a John Freida product called Down Play volume reducer. I've never used serums, and I suppose this is what you'd call a serum . I think it works well. It goes on light and leaves my hair feeling smooth, and not weighed down. I started using it in conjunction with Biolage Hydrating leave-in creme, which I LOVE. These two products keep my hair smooth and soft. |
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Fri Jan 26, 2007 9:21 am |
By the name the second one looked good until I got to the ingredients:
Cyclopentasiloxane, Dimethiconol, Cyclomethicone, Phenyltrimethicone, Naturally Derived Fragrance, Prunus Amygdalus Dulcis (Sweet Almond) Oil, Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitamin E).
That's silicone central and Cyclopentasiloxane being the first ingredient which is one of the hardest cones to wash out I would have to pass.
I like the affects and what hair serums do, but I can't stand putting silicones into my hair. I try to go the natural route as much as I can and actually use coconut oil and or jojoba oil and I love it. |
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Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:17 pm |
I'm beating my argan oil drum again but this product actually contains enough of the real thing to earn the right to its claims. Kaeline recently launched the KAE line of hair care to include shampoos and serums, designed to complement each other and formulated for the specific needs of your hair. The ingredients are of natural origin with > 50% of them derived from organic farming.
Ingredients: Isopropyl myristate, Buxus chinensis*, Argania Spinosa*, Tocopherol, Persea gratissima oil, Citrus grandis, Juniperus oxycedrus L. Main ingredients : Organic Jojoba oil*, Organic argan oil*, Avocado oil, Grapefruit essential oil, Juniper essential oil. [* ingredients from organic farming]
The first ingredient is derived from vegetable fatty acid and is used both as a thickening agent and to help enhance absorbability of the Jojoba and Argan oils.
I have been using both products and am very happy with the results. My hair and scalp feel healthy. Plus, its shiny but not weighed down or sticky. I like knowing that there are not chemical additives that will either a) penetrate my scalp or b)dry out or coat my hair artificially. It is not cheap but as with all Kaeline products, a little goes a long way. |
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Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:25 pm |
Im using the new ojon hair treatment serum, can be used on damp or dry I believe. Its doing quite a good job at smoothing down frizz ect.
I cant put a liquid oil onto my hair during the day but great as a treatment. |
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Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:27 pm |
carekate....so what would you recommend now that your HG has been reformulated (WHY WHY WHY do companies always do this crap???)
I'm thinking about Moroccan Oil....I emailed the company to see if it also works as a thermal protector and they said yes. I wonder if they are spoon feeding me bs though, bc I don't see that mentioned anywhere that MO is a thermal protector. idk. I need a thermal protector but I really can't load a leave in and thermal protector and shine serum on my fine hair else it will get weighed down big time...I need something to work well at detangling/conditioning, protecting and shining/defrizzing, all while not drying or ruining my hair (and smell good of course) I think I am asking too much.  |
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Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:17 pm |
| mex0050 wrote: |
carekate....so what would you recommend now that your HG has been reformulated (WHY WHY WHY do companies always do this crap???)
I'm thinking about Moroccan Oil....I emailed the company to see if it also works as a thermal protector and they said yes. I wonder if they are spoon feeding me bs though, bc I don't see that mentioned anywhere that MO is a thermal protector. idk. I need a thermal protector but I really can't load a leave in and thermal protector and shine serum on my fine hair else it will get weighed down big time...I need something to work well at detangling/conditioning, protecting and shining/defrizzing, all while not drying or ruining my hair (and smell good of course) I think I am asking too much. |
I can't use moroccan oil..DD loves it, but I have fine hair that's very porous. The best thermal protector I've found that won't affect fine hair is Kerastase nectar thermique. It pretty much does it all. When I'm not blow-drying, then FF glossing cream (pea size) or mist is enough to boost shine. |
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Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:00 pm |
I find just a very small amount of Argan oil works great on my fine hair.
It gives a lot of shine plus it's nourishing for dry hair. |
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Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:20 pm |
I've heard Japanese Camilla oil. I will get a bottle next time!  Thanks for sharing! |
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Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:06 pm |
| brierrose wrote: |
I find just a very small amount of Argan oil works great on my fine hair.
It gives a lot of shine plus it's nourishing for dry hair. |
Even though I have tried oils I may give this ago and use very little as I have fine,dry hair to. Thanks for sharing |
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Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:54 am |
| argan oil seems very nice to be used as hair serum for me. |
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Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:06 am |
This is an old thread from the past!
I love Sephora's Living Proof Straight Making No Frizz Styling Cream for Medium to Thick Hair, worked fabulously in Mexico on the beach to keep the frizz down.
A bit pricey for how much you get and how much you have to use, but it does work. |
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Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:28 pm |
| Valmont Hair Serum is the best! You can do anything you want with your hair after it. |
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