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Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:33 pm      Reply with quote
hello,

i was prescribed differin recently, and i'm not really understanding how this product works. basically, since i've ditched my sc retinol, my fine lines underneath my eyes seem to be more defined--yikes!

i wanted to maybe take a break from differin once or twice a week and just use sc retinol then--anyone know why this would be a bad idea?

i know differin isn't technically a retinoid, but rather mimics retinoids, and is much gentler.

i've also been a bit dehydrated, so that may be a factor too... i will drink my 3 liters tomorrow, i promise! Very Happy

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I don't really know too much about Differin, but I was alternating Retin-A with PSF Retinol Nite Repair and didn't have any problems with doing so. In fact, it helped me ease my way in to using the Retin-A daily without any irritation.
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I posted a similar question a while back but didn't get any definite answers. No one said that doing something like this would be a bad idea. And I can't think of any reason why it would be a problem but this is just a guess.

I did use both Differin and IS Clinical Proheal (this have 1% retinol) for about 3 months. I was told by several retailers of ISC that this would be an okay combination. So I was using the Differin at night and the Proheal in the morning-both every day. My skin is very sensitive and this did not cause any irritation. Adding the Proheal did cause problems with blackheads and clogged pores but I attribute these problems to something other than the fact that I was using both a retinoid and retinol.

I plan on doing something very similar to what you are asking. I will be getting Diacneal in a few days and I plan on gradually switching from the Differin to the Diacneal. (This is all provided that the pH of the Diacneal tests high enough for my liking!) I will be starting with Differin for two days and Diacneal for one. Then alternating them everyother day. And then Diacneal every day. For a while I planned on just using both on alternate days but decided to gradually switch to just the Diacneal. I did call dermstore to discuss my original plans of alternating the Differin and Diacneal everyday and they said that this would be fine.

BTW I am interested in hearing how your skin reacts to the Differin. I have been using it for 9 years now and have sensitive skin. I think that I recall your skin being sensitive too. So please keep me updated on your experience with this. Also, which strenght on SC retinol are you using?
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Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:55 am      Reply with quote
avalange -- i switch between Diacneal and Eluage with no problem. i don't have a set routine, just kind of listen to my skin....

Theresa -- you and Diacneal??? oh my! you couldn't tolerate Active and you're going for Diacneal? i could be wrong here, but gut instinct says no no no!
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Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:08 am      Reply with quote
LaVie do you mean ISC Active serum? I never even tried that one. I have a hunch about the Diacneal and I plan on testing it. I don't seem to be particularly sensitive to retinoid like products. But I do have trouble with exfoliating with acids on a regular basis. The Diacneal has glycolic but I am guessing that it is serving more as a penetration enhancer for the retinaldehyde than as a exfoliant. I have heard that the Diacneal has pH that it too high for it to work as an exfolitant and I will be double chekcing that with my trusty pH strips. If the pH of the product is low enough to properly exfoliate I will sell it and not even give it a try but if the pH is high like I expect it to be then I will give it a try. I will be keeping a close eye on my skin and it's irritation level and hydration level. It should be a very interesting experiment anyway.......
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Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:20 am      Reply with quote
i did mean ISC and thought you had tried it.... Diacneal carries a mean kick, but to be honest i'm not sure if it's the glycolic enhancing the retinaldehyde or the glycolic itself.... i'm fascinated that you're trying this at all. definitely keep us updated.
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re: glycolic or glycolic aiding absorption:
hmmm, very interesting, la vie!

i am so skeptical about avene products, they seem so run of the mill drugstore to me! am i alone? they have such a cultish following. the eluage, which is so revered on this forum, does almost nothing for me--maybe a little plumping...
at any rate, probably won't be trying diacneal, since i am prone to broken caps, and daily slathering of ahas really encourages them to show themselves!

now i am glad i have differin...

by the way, last night, i applied sc's .1% retinol on my skin, and nothing horrible happened. I'm just wondering how to get rid of my shoulder acne--it itched horribly all day and seriously looks like poison oak--it is DISGUSTING! Does this warrant another trip to the derm for me? he's probably going to tell me that i've just been showering with my heard water again... maybe i will go ask for a little hydrocortisone tomorrow after all!

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Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:38 pm      Reply with quote
avalange -- you can get the cortisone cream at any pharmacie, no need for the derm. as for your shoulder, i'd recommend getting Yonka Emulsion Pure and doing compresses with it (carekate makes a great version but i realise this is an emergency). you can leave it on overnight or during the day with a bandaid if you'd like (warming the area first aids in the absorbtion). i'd recommend keeping on the EP or the cortisone cream that way if anything just to keep clothes (or bra straps) from rubbing it and irritating it further. oh, and neat lavender oil is always good for itchies.
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la vie en rose wrote:
avalange -- you can get the cortisone cream at any pharmacie, no need for the derm. as for your shoulder, i'd recommend getting Yonka Emulsion Pure and doing compresses with it (carekate makes a great version but i realise this is an emergency). you can leave it on overnight or during the day with a bandaid if you'd like (warming the area first aids in the absorbtion). i'd recommend keeping on the EP or the cortisone cream that way if anything just to keep clothes (or bra straps) from rubbing it and irritating it further. oh, and neat lavender oil is always good for itchies.


thank you la vie en rose,
i will hit the pharmacie as soon as i roll out of bed tomorrow afternoon! it is really itchy right now, and looks like huge raised cystic bumps--kind of like a collection of spider bites. and it may well be bites, but I have no other marks on my skin at all... at least my face is totally back to normal!
as for the yonka, I wouldn't know where to find it, I haven't encountered it since I've been here. I have darphin's expensive chamomile oil blend, though, which is supposed to be calming and healing, so maybe i will use that.
we should get together soon, by the way!

--avalange

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Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:46 pm      Reply with quote
avalange wrote:
i will hit the pharmacie as soon as i roll out of bed tomorrow afternoon! it is really itchy right now, and looks like huge raised cystic bumps--kind of like a collection of spider bites. and it may well be bites, but I have no other marks on my skin at all... at least my face is totally back to normal!
as for the yonka, I wouldn't know where to find it, I haven't encountered it since I've been here. I have darphin's expensive chamomile oil blend, though, which is supposed to be calming and healing, so maybe i will use that.
we should get together soon, by the way!

duh!!! guess what, cherie? they probably *are* spider bites! we've had a really bizarre winter and i've been bitten more this year than in the past.... guess we're both tasty!

as for the Yonka, they've got it aroung the corner at my neighborhood (15th) Euro Santé, but you don't really need to rush out and get it now. i do, however, definitely recommend getting some lavande and slathering it on. no need to waste your Darphin. nothing is better for bug bites and burns.

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