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SandraG
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:05 pm      Reply with quote
Had a reply from a post on another topic, about Artefill filler.
Any experiences with this anyone?
Seems to improve the injected area over time, as well as initial improvement (acording to their website.) Also claims to be a 'permanent' filler, and some type of 'injectable implant'
I'm trying to avoid fat transfer to falabial folds, or do this as a last resort as it requires going under the knife again, but I'm sick of 2 month lasting fillers. Fat transfer is the last resort, but if I can't find a good filler that lasts at least a couple of years, I will.
Thanks for any info.
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:31 pm      Reply with quote
Just to add. In research, found it can only be surgically removed, but is simple in office injection.
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:27 pm      Reply with quote
Is it called Artefill or Artecoll? I ask because I have heard of Artecoll but not Artefill.
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:53 pm      Reply with quote
Artefill. It could be the same product. The post I read on it originally, said it is called Artefill in the U.S. So, I think it's the same product. It's an injected filler, which is some type of implant.
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:54 pm      Reply with quote
I think artecol is the kind used in Europe, in the us its called artefill I think.It just is now being offered although used in Europe for over 10 yrs.You need to go to a very experienced injector or you could suffer permanent damage. Some people go to TJ where there are very experienced injectors down there,or you may contact a dr. here who was invloved in clinical trials who has the esperience.Its expensive 1500 pr vial,but hopefully permanent.
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:57 pm      Reply with quote
I have just emailed the contact on the website and asked the question if these are the same product. I will post the answer when I recieve it.
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:00 pm      Reply with quote
I've had many conversations with my derm about Artecoll. (It is called Artefill in the US as it was approved for use in the US recently) I live in Canada and it's been used here (and Europe) for years and years.

Everything you've read about Artecoll applies to Artefill. The ingredients are the same; collagen, PMMA and lidocaine.

It is considered permanent. It typically lasts 5/10 years but the filler material (polymethylmethacrylate) is there forever. What happens when it is injected is: Collagen immediately plumps the area, and as the collagen is metabolized, your body is forming a pseudo-scar tissue around this material (PMMA), thus raising/filling whatever you need raised/filled. They say this in a different way on their website:
http://www.artefill.com/consumer/id=4/faq_category.html
There is a gap where it looks like there is some loss of correction while this process is happening. It takes about 3 or 4 months to finally settle in.

As gung-ho as I usually am about fillers (I had acne scarring) I chose not to go ahead and get this one. It just makes me nervous. My derm said that out of the over 3000 people he's injected 4 people had problems with it because YEARS after injection they suddenly had a reaction to it and it needed to be surgically exised.

I told the derm; "Out of such a huge number of people treated and only a few having a reaction is definitely a good thing. But, if you told me that if I were to go to the mall tomorrow and out of the 3000 that went there 4 would be killed, would I still go? No, I wouldn't. I know it's not the same thing, but you get my point.

Don't get me wrong, I practically jumped on the chair and strapped myself in when I had laser resurfacing. (Something which obviously can have some permanent side effects.)
I just think the idea of injecting this material into my face...I would be using it for acne scarring. If a problem came up, I'd be trading one scar for another and I don't want to.

Hope this helps. I've had almost every filler and some other minor procedures. (mostly lasers/acids)If you have any other questions just ask. Smile I'm sure I'm forgetting some info but it will come to me later.
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:12 pm      Reply with quote
Thank You. Very useful information.

I was a little concerned about the removal method (surgery).
Yes, I've had every filler too and I'm not doing them anymore. They never last and they are throwing money away.

I guess I'll just opt for my fat transfer then.
At 40, I consider my falabial folds to age me at about 60. Had my eyes done about 2 yrs ago with huge and dramatic success and difference, then I have these ugly folds.

I'm having surgery again anyway (a mid lift, cheeks), so am having the fat done then.
Thanks for the info. I was also wondering about long term studies. Very interesting info.

BTW. I've been recieving elos laser treatments for about 2 yrs now. Incredibly good and effective for the skin, if you haven't already checked it out for your acne scaring.
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:17 pm      Reply with quote
P.S To the comment by lucyluc on price. I usually require 1.5viles per (ugly) fold just to fill the 'grand canyon'. That would cost me about 4.5g's.
Fat transfer is way less. Thanks for that info.
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:20 pm      Reply with quote
Very glad I could help!
My derm doesn't like using Artecoll in high movement areas anyway. Only if there is a significant amount of acne scarring in that area. (Or similar issue.)

If anything else comes to mind I'll post it here.
I'll look into those laser treatments, thank you. I love reading about this and researching it.

Good luck!
Edited to include this:
4.5 thousand? Holy crap. The average price per syringe is about $700. Fat tranfer on the other hand is more expensive here. Starting at $2000
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I'm trying to find the tech name for the elos treatments. I posted the wrong info and just erased it. Sorry. Could just be called elos. I'll fish around a bit.

ANyways, it's
VERY VERY successful and effective and I've never had any negative side effects. Restored my skin to translucent and petal soft (after years of sun damage and aging-I'm 40). Tightened very well. It also has a new and improved tightening head, which I will be given on my next treatment in 2 weeks. It's a once every 3-6 months maintainance. $250 for maintainance, the initial treatments are about 6 consecutive treatments around 2.5k. It is painful, but of course the numbing cream helps. They adjust the intensity to your tolerance, so I always leave numbing cream on first for 45min as opposed to 30min. Plus, I just tolerate the pain.
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:39 pm      Reply with quote
OK. Here it is. It's technical name is Polaris.
And just to add to the website info, it does dimish age spots, blemish scars, and acne scars. Also shrinks pores.

From Website:

Polaris is a new, FDA-approved procedure that uses Elos technology to offer safe, rapid reduction of fine lines and wrinkles with no downtime.
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:08 pm      Reply with quote
Awesome! Thanks so much.
I'm going to get as much info as I can find on it because I'm seeing my doc at the end of this week and I want to bring this up. I'm very interested in it...
The appointment I have with him this Friday is the one where we actually decide on a treatment date for my TCA peel so it will be a good time to mention this.
Thanks again!
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:25 pm      Reply with quote
Here's more facts.
This is from my experience with it.

Website says: 3-5 treatments. However, I had 6 total (maybe they wanted more $$ from me, but I don't care because it worked) Maybe you will just need 3-5 initially.

The first set of treatment 3-6, whatever you get, must be 3 weeks apart.
Numbing cream is put on for 30min (I recomend you do 45 here, so you can tolerate a higher setting).
Next step is, a gel goes on, and the treatment begins.
The webiste also says the treatment takes about 1.5hours. My maintainance treatments, take about 45min and my initials took about 1-1.5hrs.

I see results immediately. I do leave the clinic with a red face in areas, but that goes away about up to 1hr later. Then about 3 days later I see pores reduced, and I just glow. 10days later, I see more improvement. 1 month later, yet again, more improvement. The improvements increase over about 2 months. Then, on the 3-6 months post, you get a maintainance treatment. Then, again the cycle repeats. 3 days later, I look really good ect.

ON THE WEBSITE, it says, that some patients dont get a lot of results, so it would be good to get more input of experiences here, but it worked on me.

Total List of Purpose: (all worked on me)
Shrinks pores
Reduces fine lines and wrinkles
Tightens
Restores transluscency to skin
Stimulates collegen and elastin
Restores skin damage from sun
Reduces blemishes to include sun spots
Improves any scars

Good Luck in consulting. If you have any more ?, feel free to email me before your appoint' if you think of anything or I'll check here on the forum too.
Sometimes, if my treatments are set at a high currency, (I do try to go very aggressive), you can get a little scratch on your face, but of course that goes away the next day or two as any tiny scratch would. In all the treatments over 2 years, I think I've gotten about 5 tiny scratches. But I do bug the nurse at my surgery center to go very aggressive, so I don't mind a small scratch here and there. But of course, some people may get more scratches from a high setting. And the bottom line is, if you do one treatment at a time, spaced 3 weeks apart, you'll see a result in between 3 weeks and can judge for yourself. The receptionist at my clinic had it done for her acne, and the improvement in her scars were very apparent to where I was surprised at the improvement on her also.
I have my entire face done, to include the upper lip and eyelids (from the crease of eye up, not directly over eyeball), of course the nose too and then my entire neck. I also bug the nurse to go extra on my crow feet area.

Cool
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:38 pm      Reply with quote
Thanks so much! I'm going to jot some of this down so I can remember it for my appointment.
Hearing about it couldn't have come at a better time, seeing as how this Friday is "decision day" for what treatment/procedure we are going to do next.
Thanks again and good luck to you as well!
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:07 pm      Reply with quote
Lol..

I decided to put up a new thread under Polaris. Figured it may get lost here since the original thread was another topic.

So thanks for that too.
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Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:23 am      Reply with quote
I had 4 polaris treatments and it did absolutely nothing for me....Sandra if you get fat transfer do a lot of research into it because it depends on the method and also the doctor,his technique and experience,also some people will retain the fat; others wont or you may need a series of tranfers..it can get quite expensive.
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Sun Feb 11, 2007 8:57 am      Reply with quote
Thanks Lucyluc.

My surgeon is very good. He did my eyes.
I do know that the fat that goes into your face, is 'live' fat, meaning it can grow too like any fat, but one has to put on a significant amount of weight for it to grow too. So, one would need to gain about 20pounds before gaining weight in the fat transfered area.

I was also told it could take a couple of times for it to 'take' to the area. So, I am prepared to have it done twice if need be.
I just have no more options. I wish I could attach a pic here.
Right now I have juvaderm in my falabial folds so they aren't as bad. But that will disappear in a couple more weeks and I'll be back to the 'grand canyon' look.
My whole face is perfect, all excpet the folds. I'm also going to have my surgeon pop some of that fat into my top lip.
Even Sculpterer only last a couple of years.
Another option my girlfriend and I are looking into, is a fat graft, but very few surgeons do this, one who does in in Beverly Hills. So, that would be costly too.
My surgeon wont do a mid face lift on me, and it's not worth it just for the falabial folds. Kind of like I dont have any other problem areas, just the folds. So, fat transfer is the only option.
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Wed May 16, 2007 12:03 pm      Reply with quote
hi sandraG,
It's been awhile since your last post on this topic. Just wondering what ever happened? Any more thought to the artecol/artefill? I am contemplating, going to see dr. for consult in a few days.
also, i was wondering why your dr. said NO WAY to mid face lift? Isaren't nabiol folds what it's suppose to target? Kind of the whole point behind the mid lift? Just wondering, because i was also looking into the endoscopic mid lift. Thanks, -rose
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