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Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:08 am      Reply with quote
I want to make something that has salycic acid,( like KPDuty does ) and is firming.... do you think DMAE would mix with SA?

A bit of Boswellia also, for anti inflammatory action.

Does this sound ok to you more experienced potion - isers?

any suggestions welcome.

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Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:57 am      Reply with quote
I use it in a body lotion with glycolic acid and it's been really great...
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Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:40 am      Reply with quote
well thankyou katee, in that case I shall go for it.
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Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:07 pm      Reply with quote
Do not mix DMAE with SA. DMAE is alkaline and SA acidic. They will cancel each other. How about DMAE in AM and BHT toner PM?
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Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:12 pm      Reply with quote
I like this thread! .I also am trying to find a DMAE solution for my upper arm area. I hadn't thought of AHA's and DMAE but if it's possible that would be bitch'n. In the past emu oil helped rid my arms of those pesky bumps. Maybe I'll try a DMAE/Emu Oil combo. My question is which is more effective amine or bitartrate? I've read information from both camps and they each claim theirs is the better one for your skin. Amine should not be used because it can do damage to your skin. Bitartrate is the "wrong DMAE" it can not be absorbed by the skin.
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Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:25 pm      Reply with quote
marcie klimko wrote:
Do not mix DMAE with SA. DMAE is alkaline and SA acidic. They will cancel each other. How about DMAE in AM and BHT toner PM?


Umm, what kind of DMAE are we talking about?

From Dr Todorov of SmartSkincare: "DMAE is an organic amine, a highly alkaline substance. It can only be used on the skin when pH balanced by an acidic counterion, such as tartrate. Pure DMAE cannot be a cosmetic product as it will harm the skin. My guess is that the serum that just says DMAE is in fact a bitartrate (or perhaps lactate or whatever), but it can't be pure DMAE. (If it is indeed pure DMAE, don't use it)."

DMAE bitartrate is dimethylaminoethanol compounded with tartaric acid. When DMAE bitartrate is used in skincare formulations, it inevitably lowers the pH of the formulation. In the appropriate formulation, it will breakdown into its component elements AND penetrate your skin.

In short, it is important to know what kind of DMAE you are contemplating putting on your skin!

You can find more information and links on DMAE Bitartrate and its skincare applications on this link: http://www.bulkactives.com/dmae.htm
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Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:07 am      Reply with quote
Thank you for that nyonyakay!!! You took the words right out of my mouth.

There is absolutely NO PROBLEM in using DMAE bitartate in an application that has a glycolic, aha, sa, or aa component. And, since DMAE amine isn't available to most of us for use as active ingredient (believe me, I've TRIED), I assumed catski wasn't planning on using the amine form.
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Thu Feb 15, 2007 9:16 am      Reply with quote
katee wrote:
I assumed catski wasn't planning on using the amine form.



Quite so.
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Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:42 am      Reply with quote
has anyone made their own knockoff of the 10% glycolic DDF lotion? I'm scared to try and figure out the amount of 70% glycolic solution, because if my math is bad I'll either end up with some ineffective or that will melt my skin. Let me know if any of you have a good recipe.
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Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:34 pm      Reply with quote
I'm interested in a recipe too. I'm new to DIY well kind of. I've made some DIY recipes involving essential oils.But I've never made anything involving AHAs, DMAEs etc. Anywho, I think this arm cream potion will be my first concoction.
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Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:55 pm      Reply with quote
The thing I've found with those pesky bumps is to exfoliate with a body brush daily then use a 10% Lactic acid cream after bathing. Makes my skin instantly smooth, but I have to do this faithfully every day. As for firming, exercise is free and you never run out! Wink Wink

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Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:34 am      Reply with quote
What I REALLY dont like, is the redness.

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Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:12 am      Reply with quote
Waffle, I add 2 ounces of the 70% glycolic to 8 ounces of body cream or lotion - that gives you a 14% glycolic solution. I used to leave it at 10% but I wanted something a little stronger. If you want to keep it at 10%, just reduce the glycolic acid accordingly - to be precise, it would be 1.4 ounces glycolic + 8 0unces of your base. You can round it off to 1.5 without any worry though.

I also add DMAE and oil soluble Vitamin C.

Great stuff!
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Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:09 pm      Reply with quote
katee wrote:
Waffle, I add 2 ounces of the 70% glycolic to 8 ounces of body cream or lotion - that gives you a 14% glycolic solution. I used to leave it at 10% but I wanted something a little stronger. If you want to keep it at 10%, just reduce the glycolic acid accordingly - to be precise, it would be 1.4 ounces glycolic + 8 0unces of your base. You can round it off to 1.5 without any worry though.

I also add DMAE and oil soluble Vitamin C.

Great stuff!


thanks katee, that's exactly what I was looking for. I'm going to add it to a drugstore cream that has a little lactic acid already in it and I figure that should make it pretty close to the DDF version.... Ha! Take that, DDF.

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Sat Mar 10, 2007 2:41 pm      Reply with quote
I tried out your recipe Katee and tweaked it a little to make 16oz and include emu oil. It is very moisturizing but it seems it little runny. Hoping someone can help me perfect it.

4.92 oz Lotion Base(GoW)
4.92 oz Emu Oil
2.16 oz DMAE-B to equal 5% DMAE
4oz 70% Glycolic Acid(GoW)
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