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Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:43 pm      Reply with quote
I was looking for the Beta Glucans yesterday, and came across the YoungAgain web site. They said they only sell items that are found to have benefits. So I looked through their products, and when I got to MSM, they said they wouldn't sell MSM because "unfortunately there is not one single published clinical study after all these years indicating it has any value at all." I thought we got lots of EDS members who have personally seen benefits of MSM. What's up with Young Again? Anyone ever bought anything from them before?

Here's their web page:
http://www.youngagainproducts.com/OurProducts/tabid/4206/CategoryID/4/List/1/catpageindex/4/Level/1/ProductID/126/Default.aspx?SortField=ProductName%2cProductName
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Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:21 pm      Reply with quote
Bkkgirl, I'm sorry but I don't know anything about Young Again or its products. I do know Hannah at SAS holds the same view of MSM (methylsulfonylmethane).

I'm not a scientist but I simply don't agree. MSM is great for the joints and this is well-established by clinical studies, so I won't go there.

I take MSM supplements and use it topically, as well, for the sulfur. While sulfur is abundant in green leafy vegetables and eggs, I don't get enough in my diet now, and, even if I did, less and less will go to my skin and hair as I age.

Sulfur is part of the chemical structure of the amino acids cystine, cysteine, and methionine. It's present in the keratin of our hair, nails, and skin. Sulfur also plays a role in the production of collagen.

I also use sulfured blackstrap molasses in my shampoo and it has made a huge difference in the vitality of my hair. So, those are my reasons for using it and I know it has made a huge difference in my hair, skin and nails.

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Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:02 pm      Reply with quote
I saw benefits within 2 weeks of use on hair, skin, nails and joints.

I am sure it does not work for everyone, nothing does, and one must adjust dose for their needs - for me it noticeably did. So I continue to take it.

I have chronic neck and back pain from some bone/joint injuries, and the damage is visible on x-rays. Normally only regular Chiropractic visits help relieve some of the pain. With MSM I am pain free, after 10-15 years of pain. I have not been back to a chrio since using MSM, and am pain free.

Within 2 weeks of use I noticed my hair shedding dropped by half, after 6 weeks lashes were fuller and longer, after 6 to 8 weeks skin looked better.

If it did not work I would not continue to take it, its not like I don't have better things to do then take supplements. Smile
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Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:53 pm      Reply with quote
Meant to add-

MSM has a long positive historical use in Veterinarian Medicine for both joint and coat issues in Horses and dogs.

And I have read at least one study on beneficial use in humans for hair growth increase. One I read last year, that is sadly no longer posted online - followed 27 men and women. Hair was measured, diagramed and photographed over a period of weeks, using a range of specialized equipment and independent reviewers. After 6 weeks of 4000 mg of MSM use daily, vs. a placebo. The MSM users did have measurable differences in hair growth speed, thickness, and shine.
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Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:54 pm      Reply with quote
Haven't tried MSM myself, but my 2 cents: with substances that are essential component chemicals in our body, if we ingest it or apply it topically and see no effects, it is highly likely that we have enough of it in our bodies eg. someone may have NO sulphur deficiency, so taking supplements or topical applications has no incremental effects.

However, if there is a deficiency of the chemical in our bodies, then regulation ingestion or application over a period of time would confer visible benefits.
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Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:58 pm      Reply with quote
This site is very funny. Their supplement prices are good though. I read through some of the articles. They are funny and some contradictory. (Many state that white flour, rice sugar are bad (which I agree with) but he uses the same arguements to dis low glycemic index. He also says not to eat much fruit (sugar and "no" nutrients or fiber) he doesn't happen to say that most berries are high in antioxidants and fiber. He also quotes from the "Physicians committe for Responsible Medicine" a radical vegan group anti dairy products talks about dairy and cancer but fails to mention that all of the studies separating dairy from smoked meats (sometimes things cross correlate) say butter and milk actually are cancer inhibiting. He seems to have something bad to say about everybody (vegans eat sugar and white bread and Atkins is going to hell (perhaps should be updated)).

Funniest of all to me he states that there is no evidence that Resveratrol does any goos when there are hundreds of studies showing how and why (I know three MDs here who work focuses on this.

Bottom line he says some good things but seems totally wacky about other things.
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Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:07 pm      Reply with quote
bkkgirl,

I have a friend who is studying nutrition and claimed that MSM is amazing for the skin (as a supplement). As with everything I hear, I googled it and found little actual scientific evidence to support his claim. As a result, I didn't buy any. I do however have doubts about topical application of MSM having any effect.

It seems to benefit some people here, so I wouldn't dismiss it entirely.
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Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:37 pm      Reply with quote
Dr Pikhart from Skinbiology claims MSM is good for the skin. He doesn't sell MSM either.
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Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:06 pm      Reply with quote
I take a Glucosomine / MSM supplement for my bones, and figure it can't be hurting with my skin and nails. Smile I'm taking other supplements and have noticed good changes, so i don't know which are from any specific one or ones, but i'm not about to stop 1 and test it. LOL
I have heard about sulphur being gogod, and I belive it is usually an ingredient in hair, skin, and nails multivitamins.

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Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:33 pm      Reply with quote
I have encountered a lot of anecdotal report about MSM having helped people with actual health troubles. i would be surprised if it did not have some benefit to the parts of the body that want sulfur, including the skin.
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Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:19 pm      Reply with quote
nyonyakay wrote:
Haven't tried MSM myself, but my 2 cents: with substances that are essential component chemicals in our body, if we ingest it or apply it topically and see no effects, it is highly likely that we have enough of it in our bodies eg. someone may have NO sulphur deficiency, so taking supplements or topical applications has no incremental effects.

However, if there is a deficiency of the chemical in our bodies, then regulation ingestion or application over a period of time would confer visible benefits.
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Tangal wrote:
I saw benefits within 2 weeks of use on hair, skin, nails and joints.

I am sure it does not work for everyone, nothing does, and one must adjust dose for their needs - for me it noticeably did. So I continue to take it.

I have chronic neck and back pain from some bone/joint injuries, and the damage is visible on x-rays. Normally only regular Chiropractic visits help relieve some of the pain. With MSM I am pain free, after 10-15 years of pain. I have not been back to a chrio since using MSM, and am pain free.

Within 2 weeks of use I noticed my hair shedding dropped by half, after 6 weeks lashes were fuller and longer, after 6 to 8 weeks skin looked better.

If it did not work I would not continue to take it, its not like I don't have better things to do then take supplements. Smile


I'm glad to hear that you've been pain free since taking MSM, Tangal. That's very encouraging. My friend has some joint problems since she was a teenager. I recommended that she takes MSM. Do you think it will help? Does she have to take 4 g a day? That's what I'm taking religiously. I even wake up to take it if I forget to do it before going to bed. MSM and RL are my two new religions, LOL.
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This site is very funny. Their supplement prices are good though. I read through some of the articles. They are funny and some contradictory. (Many state that white flour, rice sugar are bad (which I agree with) but he uses the same arguements to dis low glycemic index. He also says not to eat much fruit (sugar and "no" nutrients or fiber) he doesn't happen to say that most berries are high in antioxidants and fiber. He also quotes from the "Physicians committe for Responsible Medicine" a radical vegan group anti dairy products talks about dairy and cancer but fails to mention that all of the studies separating dairy from smoked meats (sometimes things cross correlate) say butter and milk actually are cancer inhibiting. He seems to have something bad to say about everybody (vegans eat sugar and white bread and Atkins is going to hell (perhaps should be updated)).

Funniest of all to me he states that there is no evidence that Resveratrol does any goos when there are hundreds of studies showing how and why (I know three MDs here who work focuses on this.

Bottom line he says some good things but seems totally wacky about other things.


Yeah, he said good things about stuff he sells. Smile
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Tangal wrote:
Meant to add-

MSM has a long positive historical use in Veterinarian Medicine for both joint and coat issues in Horses and dogs.

And I have read at least one study on beneficial use in humans for hair growth increase. One I read last year, that is sadly no longer posted online - followed 27 men and women. Hair was measured, diagramed and photographed over a period of weeks, using a range of specialized equipment and independent reviewers. After 6 weeks of 4000 mg of MSM use daily, vs. a placebo. The MSM users did have measurable differences in hair growth speed, thickness, and shine.


This is encouraging! I can't wait to see good results on my hair, skin, and lashes. If my joints want to join the gang, why not! Very Happy
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Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:44 pm      Reply with quote
I take MSM capsules with Vitamin C,and I can see that my nails grow stronger and also my hair. So for me it works,but,I will go read the site you posted.
I think it is important to take trusted supplements.
Thank you
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Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:54 pm      Reply with quote
I would recomend she at least try it for her joints, though she may need even more then 4 g. Depends on her situation/issues. Its inexpensive, and if it will help she should know in 6 to 8 weeks.
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Tangal wrote:
I would recomend she at least try it for her joints, though she may need even more then 4 g. Depends on her situation/issues. Its inexpensive, and if it will help she should know in 6 to 8 weeks.


I think you're responding to my post about my friend. I already told her to take 4 g a day, but I'll tell her she can up the quantity but how much do you know?
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Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:29 am      Reply with quote
bkkgirl - she needs to start slowly, and work upto 4g. At that point if she is not noticing any help she can continue to go up. I don't know how much she needs because it is individual. Some people find they need quite a bit for joint/pain issues. www.msm-msm-com has a good message board that will help, you can also email Kerry on that site. He's very helpful.

Some people take as much as 10 to 20 g daily for chronic issues.

I would think if she has no relief after taking 10 g for 8 weeks or so, its probably not going to help her. If she has some relief, then she can adjust to a good level for her needs.
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I take 4000mg of MSM per day, as well, and it does help with hair growth (for me, significantly) and mine usually grows quickly, anyway. Last hair appointment, I discussed the growth with my stylist. She said normal expectation is .5" per month. Mine had grown 1.25" in the 45 days since my last visit. According to the normal ratio, it should have grown .75" so I actually had a full .5" increase! As I said, though, my hair normally grows fast but I'd venture a guess that I got at least .25" more by using the MSM. I did not increase my daily intake until well into that month's cycle so doubt I've even seen the full benefit.

Oh, and my Jan Marini ran out (I have since received a new tube) so I wasn't using that, either and my lashes are still very, very long and lush. I'd say it's the MSM at work, for sure, as well.

I appreciate the joint assistance and overall well-being, too. Sometimes, I think you have to read between the lines regarding information and choose for yourself based on other's experiences and, potentially, your own.

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I'm taking a total of 6000mg daily, 3000 am and 3000 pm, with a B-complex. On the skincarex forum, under melasma, there is a ton of information about MSM. My skin tone is evening out, but to be honest, it could be from MSM, or Obagi, or Quasar SP... Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes I'm just glad it's improving! Very Happy
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kyplantjunkie wrote:
I'm taking a total of 6000mg daily, 3000 am and 3000 pm, with a B-complex. On the skincarex forum, under melasma, there is a ton of information about MSM. My skin tone is evening out, but to be honest, it could be from MSM, or Obagi, or Quasar SP... Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes I'm just glad it's improving! Very Happy


Hey, me too! Happy for you! Very Happy (Big smile) I recommended MSM to my friend for her melasma problem. I keep on forgetting that I'm also taking MSM for my sunspots. LOL I keep thinking hair, lashes!

I went to www.skincarerx.com message board. Oh boy, too confusing. I'll stick with EDS, so you should update us on your melasma results! Smile
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I take 4000mg of MSM per day, as well, and it does help with hair growth (for me, significantly) and mine usually grows quickly, anyway. Last hair appointment, I discussed the growth with my stylist. She said normal expectation is .5" per month. Mine had grown 1.25" in the 45 days since my last visit. According to the normal ratio, it should have grown .75" so I actually had a full .5" increase! As I said, though, my hair normally grows fast but I'd venture a guess that I got at least .25" more by using the MSM. I did not increase my daily intake until well into that month's cycle so doubt I've even seen the full benefit.



Hello scalawaggirl,
Do you think taking MSM would also make the rest of the body more hairy? My face is already a fuzz ball Rolling Eyes

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scalawaggirl wrote:
I take 4000mg of MSM per day, as well, and it does help with hair growth (for me, significantly) and mine usually grows quickly, anyway. Last hair appointment, I discussed the growth with my stylist. She said normal expectation is .5" per month. Mine had grown 1.25" in the 45 days since my last visit. According to the normal ratio, it should have grown .75" so I actually had a full .5" increase! As I said, though, my hair normally grows fast but I'd venture a guess that I got at least .25" more by using the MSM. I did not increase my daily intake until well into that month's cycle so doubt I've even seen the full benefit.



Hello scalawaggirl,
Do you think taking MSM would also make the rest of the body more hairy? My face is already a fuzz ball Rolling Eyes


Honestly, no. I say that because I've got a few sprouts in the moustache region that I regularly buzz w/my facial trimmer gadget - I'm still researching the best way to eradicate them but not sure even electrolysis is that successful or worth the $. In any event, these little b'tards have not increased at all though I might trim them a bit more often. That's how I'm gauging...so I'd say you're safe from further fuzz.

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bkkgirl - she needs to start slowly, and work upto 4g. At that point if she is not noticing any help she can continue to go up. I don't know how much she needs because it is individual. Some people find they need quite a bit for joint/pain issues. www.msm-msm-com has a good message board that will help, you can also email Kerry on that site. He's very helpful.

Some people take as much as 10 to 20 g daily for chronic issues.

I would think if she has no relief after taking 10 g for 8 weeks or so, its probably not going to help her. If she has some relief, then she can adjust to a good level for her needs.


Thanks, Tangal. I emailed her the link.
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