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Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:31 pm      Reply with quote
Hi everybody:
Has anybody tried products with hyaluronic acid? I have read some articles talking about how incredible hyaluronic acid is when it comes to reduce deep wrinkles. Is that true?
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Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:37 pm      Reply with quote
I don't have wrinkles but I also use products that contain HA for hydration. Smile
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Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:44 pm      Reply with quote
This is a very informative article: "Hyaluronate Fragments Reverse Skin Atrophy by a CD44-Dependent Mechanism", http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1702558

Basically it says that small-fragment Hyaluronic Acid can reverse skin atrophy eg. in aged skin, or skin damaged by over-enthusiastic cortisone application.

Note the article also says, "The absence of any effect on normal human skin is reassuring but puzzling ...." This may suggest that it is very helpful for damaged aged skin, but does little for normal healthy skin.
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Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:45 pm      Reply with quote
No it doesn't reduce wrinkles. Maybe reduce the appearance of wrinkles by pumping up the skin.

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Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:29 pm      Reply with quote
Thank you guys so much...
I do have another question for WildCat.
Have you tried products with HA? What do you mean by pumping up the skin? Do you notice any difference about your skin by using HA?
Thanks in advance...
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Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:41 pm      Reply with quote
beebee wrote:
Thank you guys so much...
I do have another question for WildCat.
Have you tried products with HA? What do you mean by pumping up the skin? Do you notice any difference about your skin by using HA?
Thanks in advance...


Hello beebee,
I do have products contain HA and depending on which brand my skin either like or dislike that product. HA pumps the skin so the whole face looks more radiant. I think using HA for hydration is a great idea and it usually enhance other actives. I am not very good at explaining things...I hope someone can jump in and explain HA better Embarassed

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Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:04 pm      Reply with quote
Thanks Wild Cat!
I have never tried HA. What products are you using? What would your recommend? I am thinking using HA products for my facial lines.
Thanks a lot.
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Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:14 pm      Reply with quote
Hi beebee - I've been using an HA product on my eyes for the last 2 years because I'm pretty convinced that it has reduced the appearance of fine lines that were starting to show up (I'm 32...). I use Mario Badescu Hyaluronic Eye Cream. It may be due to puffing up the area, but whatever the reason, it makes my eye area look smoother so I'll take it Laughing !
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Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:03 am      Reply with quote
Hi!

The Edelweiss serum by Ice Elements contains HA and many people who use it are quite happy with their results.

It took me longer than normal to see results with this product, which for me has not been significan thus far, however I really like the ingredient deck and am using it more for preventative and will continue to use it... I am hoping, also, that with long term use that a couple of small spots that are troubling to me will continue to improve.

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Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:45 am      Reply with quote
Hi beebee - I have to say I generally don't find HA products particularly moisturizing -- rather the opposite in my experience -- although they may diminish the appearance of fine lines a bit. And I wouldn't say HA reduces deep wrinkles to the extent that other, more active products can, like retinoids, AHAs, etc., when used properly.
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Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:57 am      Reply with quote
Hyaluronic acid isn't a moisturizer in and of itself, but a humectant - i.e. it captures moisture. If you apply it under a moisturizer, it will make that moisturizer more effective and allow a bit more penetration, in my experience.

I think what Wild Cat really means is that it PLUMPS the skin, and as such, it reduces the appearance of wrinkles.

Read thru some of the threads beebee. You'll find a wealth of information on hyaluronic acid, products that contain it, etc. If you read the instructions at the top of each forum on how to do a search, you can refine what you're looking for and get all your questions answered.
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Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:53 pm      Reply with quote
Hot Off the Press!! Shock Shock Just read in USA Today that Restylane (contains HA) actually stretches the fibroblasts in the skin triggering new collagen! Like you needed another reason to splurge on Resty!!?? Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes The study is in Archives of Dermatology/Feb'07
Don't know if this pertains to topical HA though - any derm people out there know this one??
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Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:12 pm      Reply with quote
I'm using HA as a moisturiser and an eye cream as I'm too lazy to use something separate..if I'm using it on its own does that mean it isn't doing anything..??
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Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:33 pm      Reply with quote
M. April, maybe we don't have enough to plump up. Smile Wink

BeeBee, I also find that it isn't that moisturizing and I use it before I apply my cream. Overall I don't see so much of a difference. The kind I use is Pure Skin Formulations HA.
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Anna_in_Sweden wrote:
M. April, maybe we don't have enough to plump up. Smile Wink

BeeBee, I also find that it isn't that moisturizing and I use it before I apply my cream. Overall I don't see so much of a difference. The kind I use is Pure Skin Formulations HA.


I've also used the PSF HA serum without seeing much difference. Confused Maybe another brand Ha will be more effective, or is much the same? I also use the Farfalla aloe-shea serum that contains HA from wheat and I find it much better than PSF. It might be the other ingredients doing the trick though.

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Fri Feb 23, 2007 11:48 am      Reply with quote
PSF is 100% HA, the other ones I've seen have other things in them. I mix up a couple of drops with a couple of drops of rosehip oil.
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:32 pm      Reply with quote
HA's results vary so much according to the climate. For me in high temps with humidity in the 90s it was my total HG for plumping up lines especially around my eyes even with nothing on top. Here, it's just drying even with oodles of moisturiser on top.
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:08 pm      Reply with quote
Molly wrote:
HA's results vary so much according to the climate. For me in high temps with humidity in the 90s it was my total HG for plumping up lines especially around my eyes even with nothing on top. Here, it's just drying even with oodles of moisturiser on top.


That is an excellent observation, Molly. I didn't make the connection before until you mentioned it. It seems to do the job better in humid summer than dry winter. Something about HA being able to absorb 1000 times its weight in water ......
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:50 pm      Reply with quote
Molly, you've come very close to describing my experience with HA! But maybe this is why I think it's overrated as a product or ingredient, in the context of being able to "plump" the skin. That is, in dry weather when I could use some extra help, HA doesn't deliver for me and maybe even makes my skin dryer. And in very humid weather when my lines diminish anyway, it's made my skin feel sticky at times. So the bottom line for me is that I'm not going out of my way to purchase products because they contain HA -- it's performance in my experience doesn't seem to coincide with my needs.
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Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:35 pm      Reply with quote
m.april wrote:
Molly, you've come very close to describing my experience with HA! But maybe this is why I think it's overrated as a product or ingredient, in the context of being able to "plump" the skin. That is, in dry weather when I could use some extra help, HA doesn't deliver for me and maybe even makes my skin dryer. And in very humid weather when my lines diminish anyway, it's made my skin feel sticky at times. So the bottom line for me is that I'm not going out of my way to purchase products because they contain HA -- it's performance in my experience doesn't seem to coincide with my needs.


Same here, I have products that contain HA but I didn't purchase them because they have HA.

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Molly wrote:
HA's results vary so much according to the climate. For me in high temps with humidity in the 90s it was my total HG for plumping up lines especially around my eyes even with nothing on top. Here, it's just drying even with oodles of moisturiser on top.


Thank you Molly, that may be why HA does nothing for me. I will save the product I have left until summer and more humid weather and try again! Laughing

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That is an excellent observation, Molly. I didn't make the connection before until you mentioned it. It seems to do the job better in humid summer than dry winter. Something about HA being able to absorb 1000 times its weight in water ......

I have seen this humidity connection expressed on other sites (can't remember which). Because it pulls all that water into the upper layers of the dermis it has to get it from somewhere. In humid weather it can get it from outside - in dry weather it sucks it up from lower down in the skin. But lately, I'm thinking I'm not sure it is beneficial in the long-term to have all that water sitting in your skin all day every day.

I wouldn't worry about products with a little HA as a secondary ingredient. It's just used to bind water/oil together and help penetration (I think), but actually using a whole layer of HA on its own is a bit much in dryer places.

I'm getting even better plumping and wrinkle smoothing from oat beta glucan (but not in a wet way) and no drying so far perhaps this could be the HA lovers winter smoother/plumper. Early days with that for me, but I'm surprised by the immediate results and from what I'm reading I can only see positive benefits from it.
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I have never tried the HA lotions or creams, but I take HA orally three times a day and it really helps my aching joints. I started taking it about five years ago when I heard an infomercial on the radio about these people somewhere had a lot of HA in their diets and their health was great; good skin, no arthritis, etc. I have noticed that if I skip a dose or run out, my knees get stiff and hurt. I don't know if it has affected my skin, but everybody tells me I don't look 49. I do think I would like to try the emu oil.
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I have never tried the HA lotions or creams, but I take HA orally three times a day and it really helps my aching joints. I started taking it about five years ago when I heard an infomercial on the radio about these people somewhere had a lot of HA in their diets and their health was great; good skin, no arthritis, etc. I have noticed that if I skip a dose or run out, my knees get stiff and hurt. I don't know if it has affected my skin, but everybody tells me I don't look 49. I do think I would like to try the emu oil.


That is very interesting!

Would you share the brand and dose of the HA that you are taking?

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