DermaRoller
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free skin care · Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:51 pm

I forgot to mention that other sites sell rollers for home use that are larger than .2mm long. However, you really have to weigh out your options because not all of them are of the same quality/construction. See the link I posted above for comparison (although biased).

free skin care · Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:51 pm

My understanding of the professional model is that it is very expensive ,is for one use only BY a doctor,right?

free skin care · Mon Apr 23, 2007 6:53 pm

lucyluc wrote:

My understanding of the professional model is that it is very expensive ,is for one use only BY a doctor,right?

From the dermaroller site, it appears that the professional ones are only made for one-time use, so they are disposable. I can't imagine they would be all that expensive since they are disposable, but I haven't seen any pricing on them so I don't really know. And yes, they are for professional/physician use only. That doesn't mean you can't find them out there somewhere though. I'm sure someone might post them on ebay or something.

free skin care · Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:02 pm

I would want to buy a used roller! No thanks.I believe the medical ones are 1000.,I thought I had either read it somewhere or I do speak once with an environ sales rep that sells them and that amount comes to mind....a lot of money I think!

free skin care · Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:05 pm

$1000? That's insane, especially when you can probably get all the treatments you need from a doc with one for less than that. Laughing

free skin care · Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:02 am

TAM, I will absolutely let you know how it works out! My interest is due to luna's experience and I do see how it can help actives penetrate better. I just have to see where I'll fit it in...before retin-A, which is the first thing I do at night or in the AM before I put on my oat beta glucans...this is what I'll probably do, in the AM.

free skin care · Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:54 am

With the Novaderm roller (.75mm needles) there is usually a tiny bit of bleeding from a few of the punctures. When I'm done, I rinse with warm water, then apply my topicals-one night vit c and retin-a; the other cp with retin-a. I read.......somewhere (I've read so many posts from different sites, it gets confusing) that the skin surface stays "open" 20-30 minutes post needling for product absorption. Happy rolling! Cool

free skin care · Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:02 am

I am wondering about bacteria. If this roller allows serums to enter your skin more easily, then it stands to reason that unwanted bacteria can also enter more easily.

I guess I'm wondering whether routine use of AHA's and occasional peels doesn't serve the same purpose? i.e. - keeping the "extra" skin layers sloughed off enough that serums more easily penetrate.

Thoughts?

free skin care · Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:26 am

Barefootgirl,
I understand your concern. I've been rolling for several months now, and my occassional pimples have decreased. I always wash my hands and face before rolling, rinse with warm water afterwards, then apply topicals. On the skin biology forums, Dr P has stated that he has never heard of any problems with the dermaroller. Granted, he doesn't sell it himself...
Has anyone on this forum experienced skin infections of any kind from the various rollers?

free skin care · Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:08 am

I haven't had any skin problems from the dermaroller (which I've been using for one month+). As noted previously, my first week of using it and Leaf&Rusher actives, I got some pimples on my chin and forehead - nothing huge or that wasn't treatable with X-Zit essential oil roll-on. I think it was a combination of hormonal, reaction to actives, and purging. On the Leaf and Rusher site's FAQ, they note that this is a common reaction:

Quote:

Q-I have been using the Leaf & Rusher products for a week and I noticed a few pimples have popped up. Should I be concerned and should I change how I use the products?
A-Retinol is active on the skin and can unfortunately cause minor acne outbreaks in the first few weeks of usage. If such an outbreak occurs, discontinue usage of the Active Serum/Active Serum for Sensitive Skin in the immediate area of the pimple for the short time the eruption is visible and introduce a scrub cloth during your wash in order to increase exfoliation of the area of conjested/erupting pores. After approximately one week without treatment, slowly begin using Serum and Tx formula over site by using twice a week the first week, building up one day per week gradually thereafter.

[BTW, Leaf and Rusher has an acne line too (I don't use as that's not my issue)].

My skin is fair and relatively sensitive so I think I'm going to switch to using the dermaroller at night (as suggested at another website) and every other day. Previously, I was using every day in the morning after cleansing and putting actives on. I still use the actives every day though.

free skin care · Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:13 am

Is anyone using this with non L&R products? If so, what products?

free skin care · Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:26 am

I'm sure others will respond. I think most every one else is using the dermaroller and Novaderm without the Leaf and Rusher products. I just ordered 2 Leaf and Rusher products at the same time as the dermaroller and started using at the same time.

free skin care · Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:02 am

Do you think it would be effective on stretch marks? Question

free skin care · Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:15 am

lunarmm wrote:

A rep from Dermaroller said to use denture cleanser to clean.

Brilliant! I will be picking up some later today and am just about to use my Dermaroller for the very first time since it came yesterday! Now, the needles are almost invisible for those of you that are freaked out by the thought. I can't imagine this thing really hurting but will let you know. I'm off to roll!

free skin care · Sat Apr 28, 2007 8:43 am

Okay, I successfully rolled! It didn't hurt but it does sort of tingle and get a bit red. I DEFINITELY felt the products I put on afterward so it's obvious that there are little pinpricks in my face. Laughing

Anyway, I have decided to use it at night in order for my Retin A to give a bigger punch.

free skin care · Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:23 am

it says you can use it twice a day once u get used to it; I use Vit c in the morning and using the dermaroller in the morning would allow for better penetration.I got mine today too and it does look harmless,you can barely see the needles, it didnt really hurt either and I had no redness I wonder if I need to "press harder?"How hard are you supposed to roll on your face?I was surprised and a little disappointed that my face was not red,I hope this thing works...I rolled first,THEN I put the products on.

free skin care · Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:48 am

That's exactly how I did it and I can tell you that I "felt" the treatment well into the afternoon! I was pretty generous with rolling, though, didn't press too hard - more a medium pressure - but I re-rolled some areas (cheeks). I did get pink and then put my products on. I did feel the oat beta glucans but the Vitamin C sure made a tingle! Anyway, I am certain it allowed for better absorption of the products. I did not use it last night as that would definitely have been overkill but will tonight.

free skin care · Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:36 pm

Hi Scali & Lucy,

Glad to hear your beginning adventures with the Dermaroller. Lucy, I wouldn't overdo the pressure. I think I did my last go around and ended up scraping my skin a bit near my crow's feet. I didn't notice the scrapes til later when they hardened - they aren't noticeable from a distance but are visible closeup and I can feel a difference in texture if I fun my fingers over my skin there. I've since applied cream to help heal them quickly and they look much better today.

So, roll in multiple directions (up, down, diagnonal, etc.) over the same area but use medium pressure. Also, I think if you use too much pressure, you increase the chance of blunting the needles at a premature rate (my guess).

free skin care · Sun Apr 29, 2007 2:00 pm

well, yes that would make sense that if you apply too much pressure you will need to replace the roller sooner. I used the roller before work this morning and notice in some parts my skin looked a little bumpy., think I need to back off on the pressure. I may only use it at night now.

free skin care · Sun Apr 29, 2007 4:11 pm

ww.vivida.co.za gives info on the medical derma roller and the homeuse roller. They do have before and after pics and the one pic of the crows feet do look better after using it...I am not sure but I think using the home roller is supposed to help,not sure how their roller differs from the dermaroller(I think their one time use medical roller is 1000) Its a very interesting website ,informative and makes a strong case for skin rejuvenation thru medical needling.

free skin care · Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:49 pm

lunarmm wrote:

Hi Scali & Lucy,

Glad to hear your beginning adventures with the Dermaroller. Lucy, I wouldn't overdo the pressure. I think I did my last go around and ended up scraping my skin a bit near my crow's feet. I didn't notice the scrapes til later when they hardened - they aren't noticeable from a distance but are visible closeup and I can feel a difference in texture if I fun my fingers over my skin there. I've since applied cream to help heal them quickly and they look much better today.

So, roll in multiple directions (up, down, diagnonal, etc.) over the same area but use medium pressure. Also, I think if you use too much pressure, you increase the chance of blunting the needles at a premature rate (my guess).

I am glad I got it and am enjoying it so far but I did the same thing as you and overdid one side of one eye (same place)! So, take care in thin skinned sections, everyone.

Just found a .15mm roller on eBay and on the surface, it seems inline with the DR (.25 needle diameter, 20mm head width, 192 stainless steel in 8 rows). It will go .1-.13mm depth depending on pressure. I want to use this to further work on orange peel texture and cheek scars. Now, I'm researching topical analgesics to use. FYI, disposability is likely due to the fact that when used by a doctor, it can't be reused (biohazardous) but can be cleaned with alcohol.

free skin care · Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:54 pm

scalawaggirl wrote:

That's exactly how I did it and I can tell you that I "felt" the treatment well into the afternoon! I was pretty generous with rolling, though, didn't press too hard - more a medium pressure - but I re-rolled some areas (cheeks). I did get pink and then put my products on. I did feel the oat beta glucans but the Vitamin C sure made a tingle! Anyway, I am certain it allowed for better absorption of the products. I did not use it last night as that would definitely have been overkill but will tonight.

Dude, I will *paypal* you for another video lesson!!! Wink

free skin care · Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:30 pm

alibabka wrote:

scalawaggirl wrote:

That's exactly how I did it and I can tell you that I "felt" the treatment well into the afternoon! I was pretty generous with rolling, though, didn't press too hard - more a medium pressure - but I re-rolled some areas (cheeks). I did get pink and then put my products on. I did feel the oat beta glucans but the Vitamin C sure made a tingle! Anyway, I am certain it allowed for better absorption of the products. I did not use it last night as that would definitely have been overkill but will tonight.

Dude, I will *paypal* you for another video lesson!!! Wink

That'd be a costly investment for such an easy procedure. Smile

However, it could help defray the cost of my new .15mm model! ETA: Here's a link to the auction, if anyone's interested:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=180111412953&rd=1&rd=1

free skin care · Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:37 pm

scalawaggirl wrote:

Now, I'm researching topical analgesics to use.

Before having IPL treatments, I use a cream called Emla (sorry, not sure of spelling). You apply it half hour before treatment and it numbs skin - could be good for you. Very Happy

free skin care · Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:43 pm

be careful with topical analgesics.there have been several cases of people dying after using it, their body just went into a kind of shock and they died.I believe one girl had laser treatments on legs and put the analgesic on legs and wrapped in plastic and then she suddenly died, it can be a shock to your system, I would just go cold turkey on it,the dermroller I dont think hurts...I find numbing cream to be annoying and somewhat painful,my face can stay numb for 5 hrs after use!(I only use it for radiesse in nasals cuz that really hurts, I dont use anything for botox cuz I dont think the injections hurt that much and I hate to be numb for 5 hrs.)

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