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Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:57 am      Reply with quote
Where is everyone getting the 1.5mm roller and is it a specific brand everyone is using? Sorry if this was posted before. TIA!
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Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:20 pm      Reply with quote
I got mine off ebay- the seller is from Thailand- name is funked. The seller has the brand name dermaroller 1.5mm for close to 400. Or you can get the generic for about 120. Knowing the needles will wear out in time, I went with the generic, and have been pleased with it.
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Wed Jun 13, 2007 2:32 pm      Reply with quote
kyplantjunkie wrote:
I got mine off ebay- the seller is from Thailand- name is funked. The seller has the brand name dermaroller 1.5mm for close to 400. Or you can get the generic for about 120. Knowing the needles will wear out in time, I went with the generic, and have been pleased with it.
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Hi Tamgirl,
Thanks to Robin I bought my 1.5 roller from the same ebay seller as well and very very pleased with it!. Note I think the seller's name has changed from Funked to Derma_Roller.
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Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:48 am      Reply with quote
Have finished my six week (once a week) course of needling with the 1.5mm roller so thought I'd let you know my results.

I just love how my skin looks the day after needling, even though my neck is always a bit red. My facial skin looks so healthy and alive (maybe its all the stimulation and the blood rushing to the face). This tends to wear off after two or three days but my pores are looking much more refined. Of course, I am also using Retin-A and the needling definitely intensifies the affect of that - lots of peeling. Some fine wrinkles around my cheeks are improved but I don't think there's that much difference in the ones above my lip. However, the upper lip is difficult to roller - its extra sensitive. I'm using a numbing cream, but to be honest it doesn't make a huge difference to the pain factor.

The biggest difference has been to my neck - I had a lot of loose skin. It has now tightened up considerably.

I think I'm turning into a masochist, because even though the needling hurts, I'm addicted. The results just seem better than those that I get from peels. I'm going to continue on needling using the .75mm roller - how often I'm not sure yet but I would like to try and concentrate more on the wrinkles around my mouth.

I was watching TV the other night and they were discussing what celebrities have done. It was mentioned that allot of them have numerous vitamin injections into the skin on the face so I figure applying antioxidants and needling is a similar way to go - at least you can do it at home yourself at no cost. So, to this end, I've been applying oat beta glucan.

To sum up, I'm very satisfied with the results plus I'm no longer terrified of the whole thing. At first, I was convinced I was going to do something awful to myself, or get some dreadful infection. However, I now don't think twice about it - I just grab that torture device and go for it. Very Happy
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Sat Jun 16, 2007 6:34 am      Reply with quote
Hi everyone,

I have bee reading this thread with interest. The Dermaroller with the longer needles, for weekly use, would that have to be thrown away after the recommended six uses ? I wouldn't know which length to start with ?

any advice appreaciated,

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Sat Jun 16, 2007 3:14 pm      Reply with quote
yes why would you have to throw out after 6 uses?For that price it should last a lot longer than that.
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Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:40 pm      Reply with quote
You certainly don't have to throw away the 1.5mm roller after six uses. The only reason that I opted for the six week treatment was that was what was recommended in an article that I read about needling.

I bought the .75mm roller thinking it would be allot less invasive and could be used everyday. Actually it's quite a lethal weapon too. I think for all over the face everyday rolling the .3mm needles would be the best.

I will definitely return to the 1.5mm roller but will give my skin a bit of a rest for now. By the way, I paid AUD$150.00 for the roller - divided by six thats $25 per use - allot less than a facial at a spa.

Here is the quote by Dr. Fernandes from the article found here:
http://www.vivida.co.za/pdf/IIAA_newsletter.pd

"One treatment alone may not make dramatic enough changes so many clients may wish to repeat the procedure to get the desired result. The treatment can be repeated as early as one week later, especially with 1mm needling, but
this is variable. To achieve a smoothening comparable to a laser resurfacing, depending on the original state of the skin, a total of three to four treatments may be required. I recommend a course of six treatments performed every week or two."
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Sat Jun 16, 2007 11:23 pm      Reply with quote
Keilu I note you quoted Aussie dollars where did you buy this? I can't see any on Ebay and I am in Australia .
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Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:39 am      Reply with quote
Look on ebay.com not the Ozzie ebay site - type in skin roller or dermaroller. I think the one I bought actually came from Thailand.
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Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:06 am      Reply with quote
Hi Ladies,

well I've just got one of these, the 1.5mm - yikes! - i'm even scared at the thought of it - lol ! - Anyway, was just wondering if anyone finds it useful to roll the skin with products on it, aswell as after ? only I thought it very intersting what Keliu said about how this method could be similar to mesotherapy, where vitmains etc are injected into the skin,

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Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:56 pm      Reply with quote
Hi, I had been rolling first, then applying topicals. Then I read the articles in this link I found on the acne.org website
http://www.microneedle.com/clinical_data.html
Now,........I'm applying topicals before, and after. What are the rest of you doing?
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Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:38 pm      Reply with quote
The Leaf & Rusher people recommend apply the topicals first, then rolling. The only reason I apply topicals after is because I use a numbing cream before I roll, then I wash off the numbing cream and apply my serums. I'm sure either way is just as effective because it takes about an hour for the holes in your skin to close upafter rolling apparently.
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Mon Jun 18, 2007 5:21 am      Reply with quote
Hi Ladies,

do you think by rolling with the topicals on, then risnsing off, we would still get the benefits of the topical applied ? Only my eyes are super sensitive to CP's etc and I can;t leave them on overnight, any thoughts ?

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Mon Jun 18, 2007 1:16 pm      Reply with quote
I've been reading this thread with fascination!
I can see why/how this might work but it sounds so scary! Shock

Especially the deeper/longer needles - numbing creams and an hour for the holes to close and bleeding!?!? I am wayyyyy to chicken to try this one! Laughing

Does the Leaf & Rusher (chickens version) hurt, work and more importantly is it effective?

I also have concerns about deliberately making the skin more open to take topicals - isn't this also making your skin more vulnerable to infection and the like? I'm guessing you have to be REALLY hot with the hygiene side?

You're all very brave!!
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Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:42 pm      Reply with quote
Well I just got my derma roller in the mail today. I have just started on obagi and I emailed the company about using the dermaroller with this. I got an email back today that they do not recommend using the dermaroller with any "active" like Retin A or glycolic acids!

Lucia - I felt the "needles" of the dermaroller with my hand, I did not feel a thing. They are barely visible with the leaf and rusher roller!!
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Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:22 pm      Reply with quote
rileygirl - thanks might be brave and get one then! Thanks!!
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Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:59 pm      Reply with quote
Anyone had any success yet on stretchmarks? If your using them for this purpose do you roll with the line of the mark or at a 90* angle to the stretch mark?

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Sun Jun 24, 2007 5:01 am      Reply with quote
My dermaroller arrived yesterday. It's the Leaf & Rusher consumer model with needles that feel like nothing much on the fingertips. I thought I'd been had because I expected spikes. I rolled it all over the way the directions say to do it this morning. I put on Renova first and CP over it - the directions didn't say not to do that and I read a recommendation for using it that way in one of the forums. If my face falls off, I'll know what I did wrong.
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Chinachatters - I laughed when I read your post. That is so funny, as I thought I had been had to by the roller - I felt like nothing! I am not using my roller yet, as the people from leaf and rusher said not to use with retin A or glycolic acid and I am on Obagi. I will wait until the fall when I am done with obagi before using the roller.
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Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:54 am      Reply with quote
Hi Ladies,

I received my dermaroller today, and the instructions say to roll an area of skin 5 times vertically and then 5 times horizontally. Would this mean you were rolling a sort of cross shaped area of skin ? - or do you actually lift the roller of the skin after one roll, then move it along for the second roll and so on, and then do the same horizontally ? Hope this makes sense as I'm just a bit confused on how to do it,
many thanks
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Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:53 pm      Reply with quote
Well I finally tried it ladies - check it out
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=24571&highlight=dermaroller

Jackie - I do lift the roller after every roll - says to in my instructions.

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Tue Jul 03, 2007 5:39 pm      Reply with quote
Hey girls!

I am really curious about this system...
It makes me wonder about something similar that I saw few years ago: One of my mom's best friend got some chemotherapy because of a breast cancer. As you can imagine she lost all her hair and a lot of weight. She was really like a "shade of herself" as she said to me.
Well, the thing is that along with the traditional chemotherapy she was doing homeopathy, acupuncture and some other natural therapies to help her recovery.
I want to mention something about the acupuncture. In one session I went over with her to this chinese master I observed something very very similar to the dermaroller that you all are experiencing.
He did put some needles at some specific points as an anesthetic. (At that point the guy from "Hellraiser" was popping in my mind) Then he took a roller that had some pyramid shape peaks and start rolling all over the area. After that he applied some type of herbal lotion (I have no idea what) some other acupuncture needles and after a while removed them to roll over the area with a device with some sharp spikes (needles my friend said)but it was more like a ball and he rolled it using his own hand and making some massages in the area.
Well I have to say that the area that was treated was the scalp, to energize and revitalize the growing of new hair.
The results were amazing! she didn't only grow new hair, but the speed of the growing was unbelievable (even doctors asked her if she was wearing a wig) and the hair got stronger, thicker and incredibly darker (before she had white hairs) after this not even one!
Amazed with the results she asked her chinese therapist to do the same treatment in her face, neck and chest. And he did with some variations of the technique (I did not see this new treatment personally but I saw the results. Her weight was still very low but her face and neck looked like she had gained few pounds. I am not an specialist but I would say that what she got wasn't only new collagen, but actually fat! Her hands looked very very bony compared to her face and the rest of her body. I did not see her chest because it was winter time, but I guess it was the same thing.
At the end of her sessions she looked almost better than before. Like rejuvenated. For some reason she discontinued the treatment with this guy because he was not happy doing "beauty treatments" and my friend was more and more demanding. However he did finish his complete global treatment with her, but refused to keep doing the beauty part since he said it was enough already and helped her to re-establish the balance of her own system.
When she finished both, chemio and natural therapies she looked 10 years younger than before. She kept very good care of her diet and lifestyle after that but never did any other treatment of acupuncture for "beauty" reasons. Eventually the white hair came back and her face looked as it was before.

Sorry if my post is too long, but I did want to share with you what I saw with my own eyes.

Now, since I have seen that this type of therapy really works and you gals are really into it I would love to know if anybody could give me any references about where to get the rollers: the deeper one and the less invasive too and everything else, copper peptides, retin A, hyaluronic acid... anything that is complementary to your dermaroller routine and you think it would be a good suggestion for a non initiated EDS addict... I suspect! (If possible to buy in europe).

Sorry for my ignorance and forgive me if I am off topic, I am just a newbie.

Take good care all of you "hellraiser queens" Laughing And keep rolling and posting!

PS: Nobody has pics of before and after??? That would be awesome for the rest of us to see!
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Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:25 pm      Reply with quote
[quote="rileygirl"]Chinachatters - I laughed when I read your post. That is so funny, as I thought I had been had to by the roller - I felt like nothing! I am not using my roller yet, as the people from leaf and rusher said not to use with retin A or glycolic acid and I am on Obagi. I will wait until the fall when I am done with obagi before using the roller.[/quote]

I didn't ask anybody - just went ahead and did it. I also have Retin A and rolled that in. Put CP over it. Same with TCA latte and put CP over it. I wish I had kept track because one of the times my neck was noticeably tighter the next day. I noticed DH staring at me and that's what he was staring at. It didn't last; but it was thrilling.
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Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:30 pm      Reply with quote
[quote="Jackie284"]Hi Ladies,

I'm just a bit confused on how to do it,
many thanks
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I'll have to get a magnifying glass and read my directions. I started out by rolling and lifting, but it was so clumsy that the last time I just rolled back and forth using my wrist instead of my arm. It's a lot easier, but if the magic is in going only in one direction at a time instead of back and forth,then I'm missing the magic.
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Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:40 pm      Reply with quote
["Zenity"]

Your report is certainly interesting. I believe it may be common for chemotherapy to turn hair white and that the white isn't always permanent. Not sure.

I can certainly imagine great benefits from having the dermaroller rolled all over me just because it feels good. Afterwards the alive, tingly feeling lasts for a while. I believe in acupuncture, so I was ready to believe the dermaroller would be helpful, too.

I use Copper Peptide, weakest strength, from NCN; TCA latte from perfectcomplexion, Retin-A and Renova by prescription and the dermaroller came from the internet. $59 as opposed to $98 or so from leaf & rusher. If you search around this forum for those names, you'll find the links - I'm sorry, I don't have them handy.
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