Going to Aesthetics Trade Show and JMAIE rumor myths
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free skin care · Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:08 am

I’m heading out to the aesthetic plastic surgery conference in New York. Medical device and cosmeceutical companies like Skinceuticals will be there.

Anyone have any suggestions to sample or questions? I'm hoping I have enough time to really scope out the cool and new products.

BTW, one thing I won’t do is pester Jan Marini Skin Research.

I contacted FDA a few weeks ago. There are no records of any warning letter or request for recall to Jan Marini. I keep repeating this ...Everything you hear about JMAIE recalls, FDA and formulation problems are absolutely not true.

Note that FDA did request "Jen-On Herbal" to recall their products which contain

Quote:

"an analog of an FDA-approved drug".

The ingredient

Quote:

"is close in structure to the FDA-approved drug and is expected to possess a similar pharmacological and adverse event profile".

Therefore, if JMAIE contained a prescription drug, or something similar ... uh, FDA would've requested a recall. Nuff said.

free skin care · Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:32 am

Thanks for the JM information. I had long suspected that the FDA would not allow a prescription drug (or apparently from what you say even an analoge of a prescription drug) to be put in a cosmetic and from what you said about the Jen-On it is apparent that this is not allowed!!

Can you post a link that has a list of exhibitors at the trade show? It would be nice to see who will be there to see if I have questions for any of them.

free skin care · Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:45 am

Yes, thank you for the JM info! I've happily used JM products off and on for years now (as well as the original eyelash product...haven't tried the new one yet).

I know anything is possible, but I just can't believe that a person as business savvy as Jan Marini would do something stupid like put an Rx drug in a cosmetic product without going through the proper channels -- JMHO.

I'm a big fan of retinaldihyde (sp) (Avene) products -- they agree with my skin much more than any Rx retinoid or OTC retinol products. I'm curious if there are any OTC type of Vit A products comparable to Avene's in the making -- something more of a serum suitable to oily skin.

Thanks again for checking in with us - look forward to hearing all about the conference -- take notes! Wink

Marla

free skin care · Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:01 am

Hmm. Maybe you'll have some wonderful discoveries for us all to try. Have fun.

I thought someone here did call the FDA and was told they couldn't comment on an ongoing investigation.

Either way, for me, it doesn't matter. I found the way they talked out of both sides of their mouth offputting and not a company I wish to do business with.

kimberly

free skin care · Thu Apr 19, 2007 12:17 pm

Here's the list ... so many parent companies. I just hope everyone is liberal with samples!

The Aesthetic Meeting 2007:

American Society for Aesthetic Plastic Surgery, Inc.
Aesthetic Surgery Education and Research Foundation
A to Z Surgical - Tiemann & Co.
AAAASF
AART, Inc.
Advance for Healthy Aging
Aesthetic Buyers Guide
AGI Dermatics
Allergan
Allied BioMedical
Alpine Pharmaceuticals
American Society of Plastic Surgeons
American Express
Andersen Products, Inc.
Angiotech
Anthony Products/Gio Pelle
Artes Medical, Inc.
ASSI Accurate Surgical
Axia Medical Solutions
Axiom Medical, Inc.
Baldwin Publishing
Becon Medical, Ltd
Benev Company, Inc.
BioDermis
BioForm Medical, Inc.
BioPelle
BioTech USA
Boiron
BreastAugmentation.com
BreastDoctors.com
BreastImplants411.com
BreastImplantUSA.com
Caleel + Hayden
Canadian Society for Aesthetic (Cosmetic) Plastic Surgery
Candace Crowe Design
Candela
Canfield Imaging Systems
CareCredit
Care-Tech Laboratories, Inc.
Catrix/Lescarden
CDs-2-GO, Inc.
Ceatus Medica Group, LLC
Clear Point Medical
Coapt Systems
Colbar LifeScience, Ltd
Contemporary Designs, Inc.
ContourMD Marketing Group
Cook Medical
Cosmedical Technologies
CosmetAssure
Cosmetic Solutions, Inc.
Cosmetic Surgery Suppliers, Inc.
Cosmetic Surgery Times
Cutera
Derma Skin Care LLC
Dermacia MD
DermaMed USA / Mega Peel
DermAvance Pharmaceuticals
Dermik Aesthetics
Design Veronique
Designs for Vision, Inc.
Docs Duds
DRE, Inc.
eBreastAug.com
Einstein Medical
Ellis Instruments, Inc.
Ellman International
Elsevier, Inc.
eMed, Inc.
Enthermics Medical Systems
Environ Skin Care
Ethicon Products
eVolve Medical Group
Fallene, Ltd
February Point
Fraxel
Galderma Laboratories
Genesis Biosystems
Grams Medical
GVS-NY
i.e. Aesthetics
Implantech Associates, Inc.
Implantinfo.com, Liposite.com, Faceforum.com
Incisive Surgical
Integra
International Confederation for Plastic, Reconstructive and Aesthetic Surgery
International Society for Aesthetic Plastic Surgery
Invotech International, Inc.
Iredale Mineral Cosmetics
Iredex Corporation
is Clinical by Innovative Skincare
Jac-cell Medic
Juva Medical
Kushka Cosmetics, LLC
La Roche-Posay
Le Mystere
LipoSonix, Inc.
Liposuction.com
LocateADoc.com/Mojo Interactive
Lumenis
M.D. Resource
Marasco & Associates
Marina Medical Instruments
Market Access Partners
MasterPharm, LLC
MedAesthetics/Dayspa Magazines
Medical Z
Medicis Aesthetics, Inc.
MediCredit
MedNet Technologies, Inc.
MedSurge Advances
MedSurge Resourse
Mentor Corporation
Mesoesthetic USA
Micrins Surgical, Inc.
MicroAire Surgical Instruments
MicroSurgery Instruments, Inc.
MJD Patient Communications
MTI
Nadia International, Inc.
NatPal.com
NeoStrata Company
New Beauty Magazine
Nextech Systems, Inc.
Nouveau Contour
Obagi Medical Products
Ocean Breeze Surgical, LLC
Oculo-Plastik, Inc.
OPEN from American Express
Page 1 Solutions
Palomar Medical Technologies, Inc.
Pathfinder Business Strategies, LLC
PCA Advanced Skin Care Systems
Permark/ Permark Corporation
Physicians Management Group
Plasma Surgical, Inc.
Plastic Surgery Products
PlasticSurgery.com
PMT Corporation
Prescribed Solutions
ProCyte / PhotoMedex
ProSites, Inc.
Quality Medical Publishing, Inc.
Radiancy, Inc.
Rainey Compression Essentials
Reliance Medical Finance
Results RX
Rhytec, Inc.
Robbins Instruments, Inc.
Sciton
Seattle Software Design
Sesha Skin Therapy
SFR
Shippert Medical Technologies Corporation
Silimed, Inc.
SkinCeuticals
Smooth Shapes
Snowden Pencer Products, Cardinal Health
Socal Ideas
Society for Plastic Surgical Skin Care Specialist
Sound Surgical, Technologies
Specturm Designs Medical
Stryker
Sun Glitz Corporation, Foam Bandage
Skin Medica
Syneron
Syneture
The Doctors Company
Thermage
Topix Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
Tulip Products
UltraShape, Inc.
UnderstandPlasticSurgery.com
Unitech Instruments
USA Meso, Inc.
Utah Medical Products, Inc.
VitaMedica
Vivier Pharma
Wells Johnson Company
Young Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
Aesthetic Society
ASERF
SPSSCS

Oh, with FDA investigation. They can't comment but any warning letters, or recall requests are noted in a weekly newsletter. It's like a lawsuit. Company may not be able to comment on the case, but filing of the lawsuit is public record. FDA is typical government - freakishly detailed about reports and any communication. (uh, if anyone works for FDA ... I love you guys! Smile

free skin care · Thu Apr 19, 2007 1:34 pm

Thank you for sharing the list. I think Galderma Laboratories make Cetaphil? I don't like their moisturizer formulation and are they considering to improve their moisturizers?

Vivier Pharma: I would love to know if they will be still in business? I have to ask because I find it more difficult to find their products in Ontario and I love their Vivier Vitamin C 20% Are they willing to create a stable Vitamin C with 20% for the body?

Those are my questions. If you can remember to ask on my behalf, I would really appreciate it. Smile

free skin care · Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:37 am

Thanks everyone! I'll print out this list tomorrow morning.

I really do appreciate this because it gives me a reason to go check out the booths and talk to reps. (vs. my usual ...uh, what you got?) So keep it coming!

free skin care · Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:30 pm

Rjex,
Thank you for the information about Jan Marini. I'm really confused now more than ever.
If the FDA wasn't looking into something at JM, then why did they change their formula (JM's reps do admit that they changed the formula) And, since everyone who used the old formula sang it's praises, I can't imagine JM would tamper with perfection unless they had to...like by the FDA).
BluesHeart, I also recall reading that about someone calling the FDA and being told they couldn't comment on an "ongoing investigation" which is obviously not the same thing as "there's no investigation going on". So, unless that person made the whole thing up(which I doubt) then it does sound like something was going on. Too bad we'll probably never find out one way or the other.
I was so confused about this new formula that I finally decided to try Revitalash which just arrived today. I have been using the old JM formula and thought it was fantastic. Believe me, I would have preferred to stay with JM, but since all we were able to get from that company was conflicting stories from their reps, I decided to go with Revitalash.

free skin care · Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:42 pm

Aimee, thank you. I was wondering if my mind had made that one up. I 'think' it was ParisTroika but wouldn't bet on it. I didn't try JMAIE as her products tend to irritate the heck out of my eyes and I was nervous about using an eye product of JM's. I've been very happy with RL and I hope you find it works as well for you.

free skin care · Fri Apr 20, 2007 7:00 pm

I'll tell you for the past 2 months I was reading everything on EDS forum about JM's and Revitalash, and whereas there were mixed reviews on Revitalash (some glowing, some so-so, and only a couple that said it did nothing) the couple of reviews on the NEW JM were all disappointing (except for the last one which someone posted this week).
Maybe whoever called the FDA will post after reading this?

free skin care · Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:21 pm

I'm back .... but uber busy so this is a quick post and run....

I scored some really great samples and there were great discounts for show members at Jane Iredale and GloMinerals.

I even think a few aestheticians will be posting here next week.

Marla – Unfortunately, Avene wasn't there and everyone I asked about vitamin A products sort of bashed everyone else and said their's was the best for oily skin. Everyone kept telling me that they're launching something in 2 months or the end of the year. I took notes and will write something up.

Skincare - Vivier was shocked that you're having problems finding their C serum. They suggest using their physician search atwww.vivierpharma.com. No plans for a body C product and they suggest using a few drops of the C, then applying moisturizer. I also have the reps card. Normally they prefer you call Customer Service, but if you had specific questions, to PM me, then I could contact her.
Galderma had a ton of samples and docs were there every day for stuff. The rep said that they have no plans to reformulate the moisturizers as they are top sellers. She did mention new products and I'll have to go through my suitcase for notes.

free skin care · Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:09 pm

Yes, ask Skinmedica about their C serum - i.e.- how can a silicone based solution allow for penetration? Silicone is for barrier protection, it's supposed to keep ingredients from penetrating - so how does the C penetrate to the lower skin layers?

Doesn't make sense unless they can explain that LOL

free skin care · Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:28 pm

Barefootgirl wrote:

Yes, ask Skinmedica about their C serum - i.e.- how can a silicone based solution allow for penetration? Silicone is for barrier protection, it's supposed to keep ingredients from penetrating - so how does the C penetrate to the lower skin layers?

Doesn't make sense unless they can explain that LOL

It sounds like Rjez already went to the trade show so I don't think she will be able to ask the question about the SkinMedica.

I used this C serum before and have studied the formula some. Silicones are used for barrier protection but there are many varities of silicones. The majority of the silicones in the SkinMedica C serum are what they call volatile silicones. This means that they mostly evaporate and leave the other ingredients behind. I am very impressed with this C and feel that the formula is well done. A study has been done using a product like the SkinMedica one (silicone base and two forms of vitamin C) and it did show that the product produced results which would lead me to beleive that the formula is capable of penetrating the skin.

Here is an interesting forum discussion that addresses the silicone issue.

http://www.smartskincare.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1482&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

And here is a link to the study that I mentioned.

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/links/doi/10.1046/j.1524-4725.2002.01129.x/abs/

I will try to find some more links for you when I have the time.

free skin care · Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:22 pm

Thank you, I really appreciate your response and the extra information.

BF

free skin care · Tue May 22, 2007 12:15 pm

Okay - this is a really, really, sad, belated update ...

Came back from the show to a very busy month: routine FDA audit, company move, phone company crashed, board meeting ....

If anyone's interested - I jotted down the companies I visited and any brief info. If anyone is interested further - I can see if I've got details in literature.

Most of the companies were skin care, fillers, derm needles, cellulite & skin lasers. I got a ton of samples from almost everyone except Obagi.

Michele Lee (Knott's Landing) was cruising the show stopping to check out every booth.

Seems like the "hot" items are HA and C serums. Everyone has one and claims their's is best.

VitaMedica – Arnica Montana: sublingual tablets
Boiron - Arnica gel, cream and sublingual

Auriderm clarifying gel with vitamin K

SkinCeuticals –patented delivery system for retinol. 1.0 stronger than Green Cream.

Nia24 – niacinamide is fat soluble. Have technology to make their niacin water soluble to penetrate the skin. Good clinical studies showing effectiveness of myrstyl nicotinate.

Vivier Pharmaceuticals-

IS Clinical - "Youth" launched 2 months ago. Clinical paper on Pro-Heal Serum in a couple of months. Strongest C, anti-inflammatory, C&E, retinol.

Beneve – Pure titanium dioxide in water. Limited combining for stability. Launching TCA soon. Instant Lifting serum.

Jane Iredale – 50% off

GloMinerals – 10% off.

Cellex C – 10 % off. Hydra 5 B complex (HA)

Allergan – Juvederm promo.

SkinMedica – 2 step TNS: lip renewal and lip plumper. Fine lines & plump with Niacin
Free sampler kit. http://www.skinmedica.com/freesampler
TNS giveaway. http://www.skinmedicaaesthetics.com/tns-giveaway

DermHA – primarily moisturizing products with fruit acid, AHA, 12% C

Galderma – launching new Cetaphil cream in a couple of months

Obagi –

Young – customizable products.

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