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Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:11 pm  |
I just HAVE to make sure that my ss routine is effective. Just a little history..skin cancer runs in my family. I just had a spot of skin cancer removed on my arm, I'm only 30. It has left quite a scar, I don't want this to happen again!! I've been using LRP dermo peds spf40 daily for about a year. Is it OK to mattify with some Jurlique lavender silk dust powder before applying my makeup? I'd wait for 15 min after applying the ss.
Also, I may be looking to switch to a higher spf/ppd given my history. i've been looking at Bioderma.
This avobenzone issue - do you only have to worry about mineral makeup causing it to degrade or all makeup foundations????
I've been looking at a powder ss to reapply mid-day, but they have been mineral/physical ss. Is this a good idea over ss that contains avobenzone? Sorry i'm really confused by this - I've been searching through posts all day and would appreciate any help!!! |
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Thu Apr 26, 2007 5:26 pm |
Your situation sounds a lot like mine! A basal cell carcinoma on one arm got me deep into the study of sun protection and skin care. Thankfully, I haven't had any further malignancies, but I've had a number of pre-cancerous lesions removed.
Rest assured that you're getting excellent protection with the LRP SPF 40. Just be sure to apply 1/4 teaspoon to your face and another 1/4 teaspoon to your neck.
The Jurlique Lavender Silk Dust will not degrade avobenzone since it's cornstarch based. You do need to be careful with mineral makeups, though, because talc, mica and titanium dioxide do degrade avobenzone. Hence powders with physical sunscreens are also problematic, as are just about all liquid foundations. I encourage you simply to consider the Lavender Silk Dust your foundation and leave it at that. (You can also use it for touch-ups during the day.)
To be absolutely sure you're as protected as possible, just reapply your sunscreen periodically through the day, depending on your exposure.
LRP's Dermo Peds SPF 50+/PPD 28 is a stronger formula if you're looking for a more powerful product; I've heard good things about Bioderma sunscreens, but for some reason every one I tried made me break out.
Wear a wide-brimmed hat and wrap-around sunglasses when you're outside, plus protective clothing (Sun Precautions makes great stuff), and you're set.
Hope this helps! |
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Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:36 pm |
| I just thought I would give a different option for your sunscreen For some time now I have been using the Remergent SPF30 and I can stay out all day in the Australian sun without any problems using this sunscreen. I may be deluding myself but I believed that the company that has formulated a product to help with skin cancers would probably know how to make an effective sunscreen and I think Remergent has done just that. |
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Skin: Over 60, ex combination now sensitive, Cellcosmet |
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Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:56 pm |
| croeber wrote: |
This avobenzone issue - do you only have to worry about mineral makeup causing it to degrade or all makeup foundations????
I've been looking at a powder ss to reapply mid-day, but they have been mineral/physical ss. Is this a good idea over ss that contains |
I'd say it is a bad idea, especially over your LRP because it seems to rely very heavily on Avo for it's protection.
Have you looked at the Avene range, again an estimated high PPD of 20, but you are free to use MMU over them as they don't use Avobenzone.?
There's a very confusing thread here on them
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=22334&start=50
But ask away, I know it's baffling and there's a hub of long-term, happy and experienced users here. |
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Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:20 am |
Molly, how are you going with Avene's 20+ emulsion? I remember you said you were tanning with it on. I havent got round to ordering yet. Im not sure whether to get that or the one La vie bought  |
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39, in Australia, using retin a, Skin actives I Bright and Antiaging Cream, change sunscreen regularly currently. |
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Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:39 am |
Hi Carol - D'you know despite the lower SPF I'm really finding it useful. I'll certainly be using it in the winter - it's invisible near as damn it. I used to skimp on protecting my neck and chest regularly because it's annoying to have greasy stuff get on your hair and clothes, but now I use it there every day and the skin on my neck is really appreciating it.
If the sun peaks again I think I'll use my SPF 40, but at the moment I'm using the Lait SPF 40 on my lower cheeks (hyperpig problem) and back of hands, cream SPF 20 on my eyes (need more moisture there) and the 20 emulsion on everything else. This is on incidental exposure days not BBQs. I'm not tanning and I really like it!
My only problem is when it gets really hot and this might sound strange to you, but the tube does overheats quite considerably and rapidly, there's no air con down there at all. So, I think I do have a problem with the anti-sebum stuff in those conditions because my nose and cheeks start to prickle a bit and go a touch red. I don't think it's the sun, but the heat starts a reaction in me so whether it will hold up mid-summer is another matter.
and Australia ain't the UK |
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Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:09 am |
I forgot to mention my EARS  I'd repurchase just for them. |
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Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:25 am |
It sounds like it may be good for days Im not out much, if at all....like today its been raining all day! and ive been stuck indoors. It bloody great though as we were in a drought 
You know I always forget my ears |
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39, in Australia, using retin a, Skin actives I Bright and Antiaging Cream, change sunscreen regularly currently. |
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Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:27 am |
| carolb69 wrote: |
| You know I always forget my ears |
Me too usually - that's the beauty of it. You know what old ears look like - yuk! |
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Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:55 am |
| Does tinosorb also react with MMU? I LOVE my SS, and don't really want to try something else. |
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Live in Switzerland, age 32, dehydrated combination skin, sensitive to climate changes, some food and cosmetic products. Very fair. |
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Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:03 am |
Tinosorb + MMU = fine
but only as far as we know - I don't believe any of these SS have been rigorously tested with MMU on top, but there's no obvious contradiction with the chemicals themselves.
Avene uses tinosorbs without Avobenzone so it's good for MMU
Bioderma uses tinosorbs *with* Avobenzone so no good for MMU
HTH M  |
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Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:08 am |
Thank you Molly for your quick reply! I just got very confused trying to figure it out on my own.
*splashing on huge amounts of SS and MMU before going out in the Swiss sun* |
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Live in Switzerland, age 32, dehydrated combination skin, sensitive to climate changes, some food and cosmetic products. Very fair. |
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Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:31 am |
| thanks everyone for the suggestions. I think now it's on to finding a protective ss I like that doesn't contain avobenzone. It would be really difficult to reapply my ss and makeup throughout the day...so I'll be looking for a ss powder that I can touch up with throughout the day. I've been applying the dermo peds in the morning and then not reapplying until I get home from work! I know this isn't good enough. I think I'll look into the Remergent 30 or Avene - thanks! |
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Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:08 am |
| Molly do you know the ppd or uva protection with Remergent? |
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Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:03 am |
| tsjmom wrote: |
| Molly do you know the ppd or uva protection with Remergent? |
Sorry, I don't. Maybe someone more adept could put its chemicals through the PPD simulator thingy. |
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Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:14 am |
| Great question. I own so many ss, and I always wear my alima mineral makeup on top. So no wonder, my melasma still shows up in the summer even though I wear LRP SPF50+, PPD28 sunscreen. I ordered some avene SPF 20 that I am waiting for in the mail. I am hoping this will work for days I wear makeup. Since I can't reapply on top of makeup, could I use the Peter Thomas Roth SPF 30 powder on top during the day? That shouldn't hurt an avene sunscreen right, because no avobenzone? |
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Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:19 am |
Just have some questions about the PPD of ss while we are at it. How many hrs can a PPD of 8 protect us from the UVA? Also, the stickiness and greasiness of the ss is usually contributed to the high SPF or PPD? Thanks!!  |
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Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:21 am |
Just looked it up tsjmom and it's actually pretty easy to guess from the active ingredients, which are;
Contains Photosomes, Ultrasomes, vitamins C and E, micronized Titanium Dioxide, Zinc Oxide
Unfortunately with the micronised physical filters the protections tails off rather badly at the far end of the UVA spectrum so I don't think it would achieve a very high PPD. It would certainly be lower than the euros. |
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Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:22 am |
| jordan1212 wrote: |
| That shouldn't hurt an avene sunscreen right, because no avobenzone? |
That's right, but the 20SPF might be a little low for summer. |
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