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Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:56 pm  |
| use a product that contains Retinyl Palmitate (Vitamin A) during the day if its in a zinc Oxide base? Would the zinc be enough to protect you from the sun? Im cookin' something up and need to know this before I start "testing" formulas. Thanks! |
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27~Texas~Oily~ fair~ breakout prone~ easily congested~Cysts caused by emotional stress~ Using Ayurvedic skin care and philosophy~ Dry brushing body and face~ On strict less is more routine~ We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars~ Oscar Wilde |
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Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:21 pm |
| I wouldn't - it's too much of a risk |
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Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:25 pm |
*sigh* I was hoping someone would tell me otherwise...I guess my theroy that the zinc would "protect" while the vit a "works" is smushed!  |
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27~Texas~Oily~ fair~ breakout prone~ easily congested~Cysts caused by emotional stress~ Using Ayurvedic skin care and philosophy~ Dry brushing body and face~ On strict less is more routine~ We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars~ Oscar Wilde |
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Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:37 pm |
I think it would be ok to use as long as the ingredient is listed further down on the ingredient list. This form of Vit. A is fairly weak and shouldn't be an issue especially if you use a good sunscreen.
HTH |
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Early 40's, normal/dry, Oily T zone (summer) fine lines, hyperpigmentation |
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Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:39 pm |
| How much i.u.'s are you thinking of using in the retinyl palmitate? |
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Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:39 pm |
| To answer your question. I used to use Environ products. They have low to high levels of retinyl palmitate to retinyl acetate. I'd put on the cream than put on my spf 55, which had 13.9% zinc oxide. My skin didn't react to the vitamin A. I could feel it sting a little more as I went up the levels, but that was it. |
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Sat Dec 30, 2006 6:45 am |
| Well the vit a is more than half way down the list, zinc is first. Im not sure of the exact % of either one. I can find out though.... |
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27~Texas~Oily~ fair~ breakout prone~ easily congested~Cysts caused by emotional stress~ Using Ayurvedic skin care and philosophy~ Dry brushing body and face~ On strict less is more routine~ We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars~ Oscar Wilde |
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Sat Dec 30, 2006 6:57 am |
| Actually, I think its OK if it's a small amount of retinyl palmitate. It does more to promote natural oil production than a retinoid action in my experience. |
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Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:32 am |
| Molly wrote: |
| Actually, I think its OK if it's a small amount of retinyl palmitate. It does more to promote natural oil production than a retinoid action in my experience. |
I totally agree with this Molly, its like I get all the benefits with none of the downside. Its makes me significantly less greasy day and night. Im really excited now!  I think I will still email the company and get the exact %'s though. |
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27~Texas~Oily~ fair~ breakout prone~ easily congested~Cysts caused by emotional stress~ Using Ayurvedic skin care and philosophy~ Dry brushing body and face~ On strict less is more routine~ We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars~ Oscar Wilde |
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Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:38 am |
| vonstella wrote: |
| I totally agree with this Molly, its like I get all the benefits with none of the downside. Its makes me significantly less greasy day and night. Im really excited now! I think I will still email the company and get the exact %'s though. |
That's strange though Vonstella because I thought it promoted oil production not regulated it. That's why products containing it are not recommended over on Skinbio for people prone to acne. I used to find it very moisturising in the winter. Now I am confused  But I think in a small amount it shouldn't have a retinoid action. You would need oodles for there to be enough to be absorbed and converted in turn from Retinol to Retinaldehyde and then to Tretinoin for it to have that effect. Are you saying it has a retinoid action? what are you using? |
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Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:48 am |
| Molly wrote: |
| vonstella wrote: |
| I totally agree with this Molly, its like I get all the benefits with none of the downside. Its makes me significantly less greasy day and night. Im really excited now! I think I will still email the company and get the exact %'s though. |
That's strange though Vonstella because I thought it promoted oil production not regulated it. That's why products containing it are not recommended over on Skinbio for people prone to acne. I used to find it very moisturising in the winter. Now I am confused But I think in a small amount it shouldn't have a retinoid action. You would need oodles for there to be enough to be absorbed and converted in turn from Retinol to Retinaldehyde and then to Tretinoin for it to have that effect. Are you saying it has a retinoid action? what are you using? |
Hey Molly, Sorry I guess I wasnt clear on what I was saying. For some reason Vit A has always regulated my oil production, it does not dry me up but, with higher concentrations like Tretinoin I experience surface irritation. If I use a product that contains only a small amount of Vit A, it will decrease my oil with out giving me any drying. Im sure Im not getting the long trem benefits of something like Tretinoin but thats not really what Im aiming for.
Now for what Im using...please dont think Im insane. Burts Bees Baby Bee, Diaper Ointment. It is also the same thing as Dr. Burt's Herbal Defense Ointment also made by Burt's Bees.
Zinc oxide, sweet almond oil, beeswax, tocopheryl acetate & tocopherol (vitamin E), jojoba oil, lavandin oil, retinyl palmitate (vitamin A), extracts of rosemary, lavender, calendula, chamomile, rosebuds & comfrey root.
Its was talked about on MUA as a great overnight skin cream for acne and oil. I thought that it sounded insane but gave it a go anyway. I woke up in the morning with glowing MATTE skin. A first for me. When I was putting it on the other night, I noticed that it was filling in my pores like a dream and setteling into my face quite nicely. Because it is stark white from the zinc I decided to see if I could mix in some mineral pigments and use it during the day. Thats why I wanted to post the question in this thread. I know it sounds kooky but its by far the best finish I have ever found in a "makeup". Thats why I was hoping that I wasnt commiting a sin by wearing it during the day.
I SWEAR this is the makeup I have always wanted, it just looks *so* natural and the fact that it has ingredients that are good for my skin is such a huge bonus. I just wish I knew what amount of sun protection Im getting with the zinc.
Just to be fair, I think that this stuff has really helped my skin heal over the past week, I do want to say though that I have also been using Mandelic acid for that past three weeks and Im convinced that it has done more for my skin than ANYTHING I have EVER done in the past. |
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27~Texas~Oily~ fair~ breakout prone~ easily congested~Cysts caused by emotional stress~ Using Ayurvedic skin care and philosophy~ Dry brushing body and face~ On strict less is more routine~ We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars~ Oscar Wilde |
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Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:37 pm |
It does sound like a mad idea for controlling oily skin, but if it works for you then great.
I really can't see any problem with using that in the sun at all. |
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Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:39 pm |
| LOL I used to do that with the burts bees!! I found it got too thick for me though eventually |
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Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:42 pm |
| edenfield wrote: |
| LOL I used to do that with the burts bees!! I found it got too thick for me though eventually |
Too thick for night or day? |
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27~Texas~Oily~ fair~ breakout prone~ easily congested~Cysts caused by emotional stress~ Using Ayurvedic skin care and philosophy~ Dry brushing body and face~ On strict less is more routine~ We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars~ Oscar Wilde |
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Sat Apr 28, 2007 1:54 am |
Hi
I use the Environ products. I have always been under the impression that Retinyl Palmitate and Acetate cause sun senditivity. When I contacted Environ about this they replied that Retinyl Palmitate and Acetate do not cause Sun sensitivity and they do not have an exfoliating action on the skin.
I would be really interested in everyones views on this matter.
Best wishes
Tracy |
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Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:59 pm |
Hi Tracy
I've said it before, but I'll say it again - Retinyl palmitate is fine to use days.
In fact Nia-24 has it and if you look at the skin sections on their site the skin barrier is very much thickened not thinned.
http://www.nia24.com
Good news  for people like me who want some Vit A without the downside. |
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Sun Apr 29, 2007 2:44 am |
Hi Molly
Thank you for your reply and link which has helped me greatly. I'm a novice when it comes to actives. There is so much conflicting advice out there.
Thanks again Molly.
Tracy |
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Sun Apr 29, 2007 2:48 am |
Oh, I don't know though  Am I jumping the gun there because it says after use of Pro-Niacin TM on those slides not after the use of Nia-24 which contains Pro-Niacin and a bit of Retinyl Palmitate?
(I still say Retinyl Palmitate is fine for day treatments, as I said ages ago, above)
but if that photo only shows pro-niacin use then it's no proof that RP doesn't thin the barrier like I imagined before. |
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Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:39 am |
Hi Molly
Oh well never mind.
Do you know of any good links that I can read up on Retinyl Palmitate and Retinyl Acetate?
My questions are:
Does Retinyl Palmitate and Retinyl Acetate cause sun sensitivity to the skin?
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Does Retinyl Palmitiate and Retinyl Acetate have an exfoliating action on the skin?
Thanks.
Best wishes
Tracy |
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