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Pomegranate Oil or Extract? Rosa Y Fruta

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Fri May 11, 2007 5:10 pm      Reply with quote
Has anyone tried the ultra expensive rare pomegranate oil from Rosa Y Fruta? It's $89 for 15ml, but it is supposed to be the most concentrated version of it. She claims that skin care companies are using it at only 1% in their creams and serums and charging over $150. I have no idea, but I have heard a lot of good things about pomegranate for skin care, anti-oxidant and collagen synthesis. I was thinking about getting this to add to a mix of other oils. Has anyone tried it though, what did you think? Would you get it?

http://rosayfruta.com/pages/3347/Fruta_de_Pasi%C3%B3n_(Pomegranate_Serum).htm
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Fri May 11, 2007 7:30 pm      Reply with quote
Never tried it, but she is such a fearless writer, eg. "rare harmonically grown certified organically hydro-distilled Jasmine Sambac Flower essential oil", "very special certified organic supercritically extracted pomegranate oil- this is hands down the most amazing pomegranate extract I know of (and I've looked into all that is being offered with passion)", "Ingredients: 100% certified cold-pressed unrefined White Camellia oil, certified organic supercritically extracted Pomegranate seed nectar, and harmonically grown and certified organically hydro-distilled Rose (Rosa bourbonia) extract. "

Laughing I am breathless at the audacity of her purple prose.

Seriously, though, you can get pure pomegranate seed oil and pomegranate extract powder from Garden of Wisdom for much much less than she is charging. The oil mixes very easily into a cream, (or you can apply this directly to your skin - it is quite thick and gluggy though) and the extract can be dissolved in glycerin which will then mix easily into a cream too.
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Fri May 11, 2007 9:46 pm      Reply with quote
Laughing Yeah, it's pretty poetic sounding. I have tried her products before though and know that she always seeks out the finest and purest quality.

Thanks for the tip on GOW. I did find one that sounds the most similar to the type she is selling and it is about 20% less in price. However it does say that it contains some squalene, tocopherols, sterols and Rosemary extract. While all good ingredients, I wonder what the total % of the pomegranate is in it, as hers is 100%. http://www.gardenofwisdom.com/catalog/item/4474972/4485338.htm
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Sat May 12, 2007 10:09 pm      Reply with quote
Ooh.. this has been on my wishlist for a long time but it's soooo expensive. Anyone tried her camelia oil as a makeup remover before? I'm using laventine and it's really fab so far but her camelia oil sounds gd too! TIA!
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I was just looking at her Bano de Lluvia (All-in-One Wash) Organic Rain Shower All-in-One Face, Body, and Hair Wash: http://rosayfruta.com/pages/3342/Bano_de_Lluvia_(All-in-One_Wash).htm

She says it is usually priced at $32 for 8oz, but is currently discounted to $22.50 because of the sub-standard labels. Huge difference in price because of poor labels? Makes me wonder at the size of her profit margins.

Also, this claim: "Absolutely no parabens or SLS! 100% Natural Purity". I am always wary of fulsomely poetic claims by skincare salespeople involving the words "natural", "organic", "100% purity", yadda yadda yadda

On her list of ingredients for the shower product, a chemical called "Hydro-glycinate (plant based sugar extract preservative)" is the preservative. I have been exploring and researching preservatives for months and have never ever heard of this one. So I checked with my cosmetic chemist friend who has worked for 20 years in his industry. He responded: "I assume "Hydroglycinate" is the same as "sodium hydroxymethylglycinate" as I have never heard of "Hydroglycinate" and assume it is a typographical error?

The former may be touted as a "plant-based sugar extract preservative" by some of the organic, natural skincare labels, but I can assure you there is no preservative with this phrase in its name and the Sodium Hydroxymethyl Glycinate is neither natural or "plant based sugar extract" although it is derived from Glycine a naturally occurring amino acid." In fact, it is a highly alkaline synthetic material that can release formadehyde, which is a known carcinogen.

Similarly her "100% natural purity" hair conditioner contains a "chloride surfactant" and "Hydro-glycinate".

Poetic licence indeed.
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Sun May 13, 2007 5:37 pm      Reply with quote
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Laughing Yeah, it's pretty poetic sounding. I have tried her products before though and know that she always seeks out the finest and purest quality.

Thanks for the tip on GOW. I did find one that sounds the most similar to the type she is selling and it is about 20% less in price. However it does say that it contains some squalene, tocopherols, sterols and Rosemary extract. While all good ingredients, I wonder what the total % of the pomegranate is in it, as hers is 100%. http://www.gardenofwisdom.com/catalog/item/4474972/4485338.htm


Any "100% pure .... seed oil" is in itself, a compound of natural chemical substances - it has a fatty acid profile which may include some amount of squalene, tocopherols and sterols. If a seed oil is touted to be high in anti-oxidant activity, eg. pomegranate seed oil, it almost always contains tocopherols.

Pomegranate seed oil usually has a shelf-life of 6 to 12 months, and Rosemary extract (which is a natural extract BTW) would have been added to it to help prevent rancidity. Rosemary extract is usually added in the amount of 1% w/w.
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Thanks, nyonyakay. I'm always wary of natural and organic claims as well. Wow, I should have you research all of the ingredients I see and don't know what they are. You're good. I didn't like the list of ingredients in the body and hair wash. But so I didn't bother to look them up. I still haven't found an ideal shampoo yet. I've been using Zenbiotic and it works great. It works so good actually that it made me a bit suspicious of their ingredient list. They list no saponified oils and no sulfites at all, just oils and herbs and plant extracts, yet it actually works. Even though it doesn't lather, it does bubble a little bit like my castile soap does, just not as much. They also "claim" to be organic/wildcrafted although it's not certified, so who knows really. I'm just glad that my hair looks and feels so much better now. The ingredients are listed as:

Ingredients:
Purified water, vegetable glycerin, almond oil, castor oil, rosemary, aloe Vera, rose, alfalfa, kelp, sea weed, organic flax oil, horsetail and walnut oil, acrimony, borage, catnip, chamomile, chervil, comfrey, fennel sweet, feverfew.

As far as the GOW Pomegranate Oil, you're right, I read it wrong. The squalene etc. are constitutes of the pomegranate and not added separately.

I actually wrote Elizabeth and asked her about the GOW product, if it was the same as hers. She basically said that it is, even though she sources hers from a different manufacture and seemed to think it was a really good deal since they are selling it at wholesale prices. GOW's is basically just ordering them from FLAVEX, a quality German company, and also they have organic CO2 Sea Buckthorn and Rose Hip from FLAVEX as well, so I am just going to order them all from GOW for now. I just need to find what else I want to order from them and there is so much to look at and add to my cart. I'm really glad though that I asked, and thanks for directing me to GOW. : )
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Tue May 15, 2007 2:52 pm      Reply with quote
Puregdstuf - I have tried Elizabeth's Camelia Oil to cleanse my face however I must say that I much prefer Primavera's Certified Organic Macadamia Nut Oil as a cleanser. I have dry skin and I find Camelia Oil to be too light. Macadamia Nut is richer and more hydrating.

I have used many of RYF organic oils with great disappointment as I found them to just sit on my skin rather than have them absorbed. I know that so many people have raved about her products but I haven't been to happy with what I have purchased.
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Wed May 16, 2007 9:08 am      Reply with quote
leeleedeedee, thanx for the review. I've got dehydrated combination oily skin and would probably continue purchasing Laventine's. It's really good and value for money for the quality and amount.
nyonyakay, wow for your preservative expertise. Will try to sift through all e poetry before making a decision.
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