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3carolyn
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Tue May 29, 2007 11:14 am |
Hi all,
I am new. Have een reading up an lurking for a while. I want to create some creams for my son who needs some supplements (profound zinc, magnesium and b6 deficiency). There are commercial and compounded formulas available but they are so expensive. I have always wanted to do as much as I can myself to keep things pure and healthy.
I need advice on how to get the the magnesium etc. (mag chloride is not itchy for him- or sulfate into a cream that will encourage deeper peneration into the skin and blood.
I also am wondering of how to add ala to a cream: does anyone know if it makes it into the blood? Are there specific forms, or can I dissolve a capsule in saline. Are there ph issues (with burning, etc)
Can I buy a "blank" liposome cream or make a liposome cream to add my preferred ingredients to saturation point?
I want to give him DHEA as KETO 7, does anyone else make a crem with KETO 7? Can you share any thoughts on this?
Same with b6- anyi deas on how to dissolve it and include it as a cream ingredient?
Thanks in advance. I really need all the help I can get!
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Wed May 30, 2007 12:38 pm |
Hi 3Carolyn!
Welcome! Your question sounds to be one of a medical nature. Most of us would hate to give you advice that is inaccurate!
Have you discussed the matter with your son's physician? Most doctors are sympathetic to those of us who are experiencing financial hardship. He may have samples he can give you, or a source for a compounding pharmacy!
What are the details of your son's condition? |
_________________ Blond, Swedish/Cherokee, normal/dry skin, a sucker for products, gizmos, and treatments that are "age-defying." Just hit the big 4-0 |
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3carolyn
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Wed May 30, 2007 1:39 pm |
Thank you for taking the time. He does have private physicians (one for Lyme and one for Autism and a naturopath) unfortunately- neither offers much financial releif. Their care is good- I am not complaining about that and i do have access to a compounding pharmacy, it does requie a script and is not covered by insurance.
I know Kirkman makes mag sulfate creams (and zinc too), but they are $15+ per small tub and I have gone through a tub every 10-14 days, so I am trying to create something myself, without additives, etc.
Many moms are mixing the epsom salts (dissolved in water) into commercial creams, but there are so many chemicals- I want to avoid this.
I guess if anyone could help with making a cream myself that would have penetrating qualities, I could handle the rest. His docs advise on dosing, etc so I am not worried about that.
Carolyn |
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Thu May 31, 2007 2:37 pm |
Hmm. I believe the term is "transdermal" and in one of my books by Dr. Perricone, he mentions compounding some transdermal creams for some of his patients.
I'll look it up tonight and do some online research for you.
I don't know much on the subject, but I'd think the biggest difficulty is determining how much of the ingredient actually enters the bloodstream. I'd think frequent blood tests would be necessary, to make sure the little guy isn't getting too much that could build up and need to be chelated!
There is an excellent natural product, PCA-RX a clathrating agent, I take myself--for detoxification.
Here's the link:
http://ssl.maxamlabs.com/MAXAM_ASP_Home.asp
Sorry, it's not cheap, but they may offer specials if you call. The company has wonderfully helpful phone staff! |
_________________ Blond, Swedish/Cherokee, normal/dry skin, a sucker for products, gizmos, and treatments that are "age-defying." Just hit the big 4-0 |
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3carolyn
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Thu May 31, 2007 4:25 pm |
I really appreciate any help at all. I do have Ruben taking PCM-RX, it is a special chelating formula with a built in component of calming for autistics as the detoxing can aggravate symptoms. It is a very new thing by them. I love it.
Ruben does get blood tests frequently, stool and urine and hair as wewll- UHG. That is why I am trying t relieve some of the pressure. I am already filling my own capsules- which is great. No additives.
I look forward to hearing if there is any help in your book. I spoke with my compounding pharmacist and she let slip Emu Oil which is supposed to be very penetrating. I think there are some rules about it- combining it with other oil (jojoba maybe?) and which emulsifiers if you want a cream consistency.
Have you ever used Emu oil?
Let me know if you think I should buy this book- title, etc...or borrow from the library....
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Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:39 am |
I was always under the impression that epsom salts contained only magnesium sulfate, what are the other chemicals it contains?
My only suggestion would be try using magnesium chloride instead. It is available in both crystal and liquid form and is the coagulating agent for tofu. You can get it online, or at asian grocery stores and some health food stores. Just try googling make your own tofu, or buy magnesium chloride. It is also sold under the name of "bittern". Derived from sea water and very safe. The other plus is it has a better absorption rate than magnesium sulfate, which apparently the body excretes quite rapidly. I would assume that you could mix the crystals with water and then mix that into an appropriate carrier cream.
I have no idea regarding ph, however I use magnesium chloride as a mineral supplement so I assume it would be safe for external use as well, although I would check with your doctor or compounding chemist first. Like healthercolorado says, we would hate to give you potentially dangerous incorrect info. As for enhanced penetration, this is not something I know much about, but I too have heard that emu oil enhances penetration and use it on my skin. There are quite a few commercially avaialble creams made with emu oil. Good luck. |
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3carolyn
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Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:44 am |
When I said lots of chemicals- I didn'tmean in the Epsom Salts, I meant in the commercial creams the moms are using to mix them into.
I have been spraying mag chloride right on our skin- nothing added- do you see any problems with this? I don't know how much is getting through- but iit has an oily feel and it take all my aches and pains away almost instantly.
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Sat Aug 13, 2011 1:06 pm |
3carolyn,
Did you ever find a solution? I don't see any problems with the mag oil. Swanson vitamins (online) has the best price I've found. I have heard that a foot bath is recommended, but I doubt he will want to sit that long. Maybe if you spray his feet and then put on socks a couple of times a day, that might work.
Emu oil does penetrate the skin very well. It is said to be much like our own oil. I don't know about the blending rules, but emu soaks in well enough that it seems you wouldn't really need to emulsify it. Meaning, you could put on the mag oil, rub it in, put the emu oil on top (just a drop)(the emu is suppose to "push" the mag into the skin), rub that in, and voila. I just tried it myself, on my hands, to see if it would work. I keep my emu oil in the refrigerator so that it stays fresh - a bottle lasts me a long time.
I have a nephew with autism, so I really understand about the expense issue. I hope you come up with a solution that works for you. |
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Sat Aug 13, 2011 1:14 pm |
Also, what is the PCA-rx? Is it zeolite? I couldn't find ingredients but it makes the same claims as zeolite. TIA. |
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Sat Aug 13, 2011 1:39 pm |
Gah! I just noticed the date on this. Well, 3carolyn, if you are still out there, I would love to know what you came up with. |
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3carolyn
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Sat Aug 13, 2011 5:30 pm |
I am still out here!
And still trying to get magnesium in like crazy. My new favorite oral form is glycinate...
We still do epsom salt baths- they love this.
And as for magnesium oil/transdermal. I just spray on the epsom salts dissolved in water (sulfate supports liver also so I like that form better than magnesium chloride, although I use that form also sometimes), and just follow up with a rub down of emu/coconut oil.
HTH!
C |
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