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Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:15 pm  |
Hello All,
As you all know, I've been experimenting with different European sunscreens lately. After the many raves about the new and improved Avene Emulsion formulations, I tried diligently to get my skin to agree with them, but my skin was constantly congested, and I still felt like I was wearing a sticky film on my skin that attracted all the dirt from the streets of Paris to my skin.
So, I decided to buy a bunch of ss and test them out.
First off was Galenic (all tinosorbs) Extreme High protection SS, and secondly was Vichy Capital soleil 50+ (mexoryls), which was supposed to dry fast to leave a light, matte appearance to the skin. the Galenic sunscreen, while ostensibly an excellent formulation, felt exactly like the Avene on my skin: if I ran my hand across my face, it would "drag" against the sunscreen film (yuk!). The Vichy sunscreen, ironically, left my skin shinier than ever and never did seem to "dry." Neither were particularly irritating.
But THEN I picked a winner: Bioderma Photoderm AR tinted sunscreen for sensitive skin:
http://www.parasolder.com/parapharmacie/bioderma/bioderma-photoderm-ar-creme-teinte-naturelle-peaux-sensibles-reactives-spf-50-30ml-/product_info.php/products_id/34978
formerly called "Flush teintee," this sunscreen has recently been reformulated and now is targeted toward sensitive, pre-rosacea or rosacea skins. So it will not irritate, and after four days of wearing it, my skin has COMPLETELY cleared up from the Avene mess it was dealing with for over a month. The tint is light and creamy, but does not leave the skin looking at all opaque. In fact, Bioderma sunscreens are known for leaving the skin with a nice "glow," and the Photoderm AR is no exception. I love that it just evens out my skin tone ever so slightly.
It has a very nice slip, not too oily, not too creamy, not too gel-like, and does not leave the skin too shiny. I normally cannot leave the house without powder over my sunscreen, and with this one I don't have to use powder over it.
The BEST part about this sunscreen is the shape of the bottle--like a little rectangle, it lays flat in the hand, so it is VERY portable, even in the smallest of purses. We all know we have to reapply ss often (and most of us do NOT) so I'm going to keep one at home and one in my purse at all times--just in case I decide to have a late picnic lunch outside after an entire morning of studying in the library, for example!
The only drawback to this sunscreen is one that I'm not 100% convinced about--that is, the fact that you are NOT supposed to wear any makeup over it, as it is avobenzone-based (although photostabilized by tinosorbs). apparently, the active ss ingredients will break down if they have any contact with minerals. BUT there are iron oxides and titanium.zinc oxide IN this particular ss, so I'm thoroughly confused as to how that would preclude me from dusting a bit more on top... As well, avobenzone is a controversial ingredient in itself, since according to some people, it's inherently damaging to skin cells, and it penetrates the corneal layers. But that is only one side of the argument, so hopefully they're wrong! 
I would HIGHLY recommend this sunscreen to anyone I know: I give it 5 stars!
--avalange |
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http://newnaturalbeauty.tumblr.com/ 37, light-toned olive skin, broken caps, normal skin. My staples: Osea cleansing milk, Algae Oil, Advanced Protection Cream, Eyes & Lips, Tata Harper, Julie Hewett makeup, Amazing Cosmetics Powder, & By Terry Light Expert, Burnout, and daily inversion therapy and green smoothies! |
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Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:04 pm |
| Congrats on finding a suitable sunscreen! On the issue of make up degrading avobenzone, I read somewhere that make up with microionized minerals (zinc oxide, titanium dioxide) are OK to use with avobenzone-based sunscreens. Has anyone found a good source of such make up? I thought that Jane Iredale mineral make up has microionized minerals, so should be "safer" to use. |
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Sat Jun 16, 2007 9:02 pm |
Thanks for a great review avalange. i might try the bioderma one of these days if i can get myself to leave sunkiller and sofina.
i tried DHC's new sunscreen which is supposed to be light (since it is a japanese brand), and i am sure it is, but because i am so used to the watery texture of sofina/sunkiller, i totally felt like my face was being weighed down.
~Kristen |
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Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:02 am |
| m1rox wrote: |
| Congrats on finding a suitable sunscreen! On the issue of make up degrading avobenzone, I read somewhere that make up with microionized minerals (zinc oxide, titanium dioxide) are OK to use with avobenzone-based sunscreens. Has anyone found a good source of such make up? I thought that Jane Iredale mineral make up has microionized minerals, so should be "safer" to use. |
mlrox, you rock! My powder has MICRONIZED MINERALS, yay! Now I can fearlessly face the world with matte sunscreen skin. I don't use mmu, but I use translucent powder over my t-zone, and I LOVE Julie Hewitt's ora mineral powder. Here are the specs:
Just to be on the safe side, I'll wait a while before daring to powder my nose after I apply ss.
I'm not a real powder aficionado, so I'm not sure about coverage and the fine-ness of the particles, but this powder works well for me, and has lots of goodies in it as well.www.juliehewett. net. Her makeup is extraordinarily fun to use and to play with, there is an epic thread singing all he praises on EDS--it literally went on and on for 20 pages, I think!
--avalange
p.s. to kristen--you would HATE the euros, unfortnately--they ALL make your skin sticky and tacky, just bioderma less so. But you might want to think about switching, have you read the sofina sunkiller threads? I'm almost positive that those ss have very low ppds... |
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http://newnaturalbeauty.tumblr.com/ 37, light-toned olive skin, broken caps, normal skin. My staples: Osea cleansing milk, Algae Oil, Advanced Protection Cream, Eyes & Lips, Tata Harper, Julie Hewett makeup, Amazing Cosmetics Powder, & By Terry Light Expert, Burnout, and daily inversion therapy and green smoothies! |
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Sun Jun 17, 2007 6:37 am |
I wouldn't use Sofina if I need to face the hot sun outdoors. I read that some girls noticed more freckles when using this sunscreen, I don't think it's protective enough.
Avalange: your powders sound good! Do they tone down the shine on the sunscreen significantly? |
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Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:27 am |
Hi avalange,
Yes, i was the one who started a lot of those sunkiller/sofina threads. the low ppd is the reason i would want to make a switch. it's just too hard though! 
~K |
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about to hit my 40s, retin-a user, differin, LRP |
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Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:24 pm |
avalange
Have you tried bioderma's Photoderm MAX Lait SPF 50 PPD 35? |
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Premenstrual acne, combination, dehydrated skin. Using- Retin-a, bb cream, Asian sheet masks, Avene mist, Dr Jart |
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Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:58 pm |
| yeahyeah wrote: |
avalange
Have you tried bioderma's Photoderm MAX Lait SPF 50 PPD 35? |
hi,
yes, i like it a lot! I really enjoy all of Bidoerma's ss, even though they are avobenzone-based. I just used their bio ss on the beach on my body--the sun was VERY strong and I got a medium tan after three days--although, I never ever burn.
On my face, I used the photoderm: today, still ghastly, wintry white. Nice!
I prefer the photoderm because it is slightly tinted, is a bit less shiny than the max, and is a nice purse-size.
--avalange |
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http://newnaturalbeauty.tumblr.com/ 37, light-toned olive skin, broken caps, normal skin. My staples: Osea cleansing milk, Algae Oil, Advanced Protection Cream, Eyes & Lips, Tata Harper, Julie Hewett makeup, Amazing Cosmetics Powder, & By Terry Light Expert, Burnout, and daily inversion therapy and green smoothies! |
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Sun Jul 01, 2007 3:58 pm |
Thanks avalange--- I'm wanting to purchase bioderma's s/s, as a member here posted a website offering really cheap bioderma and avene s/s (i cant remember who  )
By the way, what skin type do you have? |
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Premenstrual acne, combination, dehydrated skin. Using- Retin-a, bb cream, Asian sheet masks, Avene mist, Dr Jart |
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Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:36 am |
Hey Avalange - Are you still using this Bioderma SS or have you moved on to something better?
I did make the switch to a Euro SS this summer since I have been experimenting with peels and retinol as you know. I am almost finished with my bottle of La Roche Posay Anthelios Fluide Extreme XL spf 60, Pdd something (i forget). I really did like it for a euro ss, it is milky, watery fluide that spreads like a dream (similar to sunkiller/sofina) but doesn't dry completely matte.
I am looking for another SS, anyone have any suggestions for a similar textured SS or should i just stick to LRP?
Thanks! Kris |
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Sun Oct 14, 2007 5:06 pm |
Hi Kris! If the Bioderma tinted s/s is the one I think avalange is talking about (it's available a skincarecentral dot biz), it is extremely dark. Correct me if I'm wrong avalange.
I do like the Bioderma Fluide and Avene Fluide, both available from the above website (Kathleen is great about emails and highly knowledgeable). However, I have found my HG of HG s/s, but I'm too afraid to tell you b/c I don't want it to sell out! JK 
The SVR 50 s/s is 100% physical, spf 50, ppd 20, and is tinted to perfection for me. It leaves a gorgeous finish! I don't need to wear concealer with this. The only downside is it's expensive ($35), but it does so many things. You can order samples to try. If you do, let me know what you think. HTH |
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46, curly dk blonde hair, fair, blue eyes, very oily T-zone. HGs: Tazorac .05% gel; Avene/Bioderma s/s (very high spf AND ppd); Cellbone vit Cie 20%; Cellbone Hyperpeptides; IFP 5% bha/10% aha; Obagi Clear; 'curly girl' method (no poo, just co wash) for my 3b curls. |
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Sun Oct 14, 2007 9:05 pm |
| SVR??? What brand is that? Thanks... |
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Sun Oct 14, 2007 9:44 pm |
Hi tjsmom,
I think the one Avalange reviewed is a special formulation for those with rosacea/sensitive skin. I don't believe it's tinted.
and oh no! are you saying the Bioderma tinted cream is really dark??? it's this one: http://www.frenchcosmeticsforless.com/proddetail.php?prod=6084&cat=112 i just took a plunge and ordered it off of frenchcosmeticsforless.com from your review for the bioderma photomax fluide along with my LRP Anthelios Fluide Extreme since shipping was free over a certain amount.
I think i can still cancel in time though, please let me know if i ordered one that is too dark, i am actually quite fair skinned so that would be bad!
Kris
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Hi Kris! If the Bioderma tinted s/s is the one I think avalange is talking about (it's available a skincarecentral dot biz), it is extremely dark. Correct me if I'm wrong avalange.
I do like the Bioderma Fluide and Avene Fluide, both available from the above website (Kathleen is great about emails and highly knowledgeable). However, I have found my HG of HG s/s, but I'm too afraid to tell you b/c I don't want it to sell out! JK
The SVR 50 s/s is 100% physical, spf 50, ppd 20, and is tinted to perfection for me. It leaves a gorgeous finish! I don't need to wear concealer with this. The only downside is it's expensive ($35), but it does so many things. You can order samples to try. If you do, let me know what you think. HTH |
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Mon Oct 15, 2007 11:02 am |
| That is the one Kristin. I ordered a sample of it this summer and it was very, very dark. If you can't send it back, you could always mix it w/ a moisturizer. Do order a sample of the SVR 50 and let me know what you think. BTW I'm very fair myself and I think it's perfection! |
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46, curly dk blonde hair, fair, blue eyes, very oily T-zone. HGs: Tazorac .05% gel; Avene/Bioderma s/s (very high spf AND ppd); Cellbone vit Cie 20%; Cellbone Hyperpeptides; IFP 5% bha/10% aha; Obagi Clear; 'curly girl' method (no poo, just co wash) for my 3b curls. |
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Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:21 am |
Hi tjsmom!
I emailed frenchcosmetics to cancel my order so hopefully that goes through and placed an order for the SVR SS as you recommended. Hopefully I will like the finish.
I am a little jazzed to be going for an all physical SS since it seems like a general consensus here that chemical SS provide better UVA protection. But after surfing the net and reading about the breakdown of chemical blockers in prolonged sun exposure, i am going the physical route.
the links that scared me are here if anyone is interested:
http://healthyskin.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1550055903/m/7570078384
http://www.skinbiology.com/toxicsunscreens.html
I actually haven't finished reading the second link yet.
Kris  |
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Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:04 am |
| Keep me posted Kris! |
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46, curly dk blonde hair, fair, blue eyes, very oily T-zone. HGs: Tazorac .05% gel; Avene/Bioderma s/s (very high spf AND ppd); Cellbone vit Cie 20%; Cellbone Hyperpeptides; IFP 5% bha/10% aha; Obagi Clear; 'curly girl' method (no poo, just co wash) for my 3b curls. |
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Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:18 am |
| I certainly am tjsmom! Can't wait til it comes |
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Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:47 pm |
| The AKN 30 is also very good for oily skin. |
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Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:34 pm |
I have bought and used the Bioderma lait spf50 and hated it. Used it in HK and made my skin breakout. It was very sticky and made my skin super oily too.
However, I cannot 100% blame the Bioderma for my breakouts, as I used the DDF organic sunblock (which didnt use to break me out) and broke out from it. Its not as oily as Bioderma though. I think the weather was a major factor cos it was so hot, humid and polluted.
I shared the s/s with my mum. She has normal skin and too said that it was really greasy and sticky.
During the last few days of my stay in HK, I didnt even use s/s as I couldnt stand having 2-3 new spots on my face every day.
Even coming back to the UK, I dont use s/s, in case I get more acne, so I just put a layer of MMU. |
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Premenstrual acne, combination, dehydrated skin. Using- Retin-a, bb cream, Asian sheet masks, Avene mist, Dr Jart |
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