Is organic jojoba oil oiler than normal jojoba oil?
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free skin care · Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:20 am

When I first started using jojoba oil, I bought a non-organic one. And once I like how it feels on my face, I bought the organic kind. But somehow the organic ones seems to make my face oily and shiny. I went back to the non-organic one and it seems fine.

So, are organic oils oilier than non-organic?

Thanks!

free skin care · Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:32 am

The best way to answer this is to give you a brief lesson on botanical seed oils.

First of all, there is no such thing as an official "organic" cosmetic product. Let's get that straight first. No rules or regulations have been established to define, track or regulate an "organic" cosmetic material or product as of this time. It is established for FOODS only, not cosmetics. So, if they are selling it to you as a "cosmetic" product, you are being fooled.

Next, Jojoba Oil is not an "oil" at all!! It is a liquid wax ester and that makes it very unique with unique properties. Most seed oils that you think of are triglyceride oils such as sunflower, macadamia, almond, meadowfoam, etc. Because of its chemical structure jojoba oil is a wax ester and is unique. Only whale oil can come close in similar structure and skin feel. Jojoba skin feel is very dry normally, cushiony and easily penetrating.

The "organic" oil that you bought should have very, very similar wax ester break down to regular jojoba oil. Just because something is grown "organic" does not make it any different from regularly grown counterparts! The chemical composition will have the same wax esters and alcohols. The percentages in each might change by just fractions of a percentage, but that happens naturally if you buy jojoba from Arizona, or Israel or South America.

Bottom line is this, the two samples you have should not feel significantly different. If they do, then one of them may have additives like tocopherol (vitamin E) or something like that.

Is the color between the two significantly different? One may have been "processed" more or less than the other...

John

free skin care · Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:46 am

yeahyeah: I do not have the answer to your question. But while on the subject of organic jojoba oil, I found the following information from HobaCare Jojoba Company that was interesting, so I thought I'd share

Organic Farming

For as long as we owned our jojoba operation, we farmed as close to organic as we could. The objective was to strive for a natural balance between predator and beneficial insect populations. Jojoba is vulnerable to thrips, loopers, spider mites, bore worms, and grasshoppers. Imbalances did occur from time to time in certain parts of the farm. If an imbalance occurred, we sprayed Capture, a pesticide approved by the United States Agriculture Department for food up to two weeks prior to harvesting the food. The active ingredient is bifenthrin, a pyrethroid pesticide. FMC Corporation, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania manufactures Capture.

Since 1997, we had used no pesticides, herbicides, fungicides, or chemical fertilizers on our plants. We had used organic methods to process our jojoba seed. However, we did not approach third parties to certify our product as "organic". This was a conscious decision on our part. Located, literally, in the middle of the desert, our farm was highly vulnerable to any infestation. Moreover, there were neighboring farms, which did apply pesticides to their fields. Organic Certification one year, with all the expense entailed in labeling our products "organic", would have been funds poorly spent if, the following year, we had been forced to adopt non-organic farming measures. And, we wouldn't have been able to revert to "organic" the subsequent year because to establish organic credentials there's a three-year transition period. In our view, it was better to tell our customers exactly what we were doing from one year to the next, permitting them to make their own decisions with the best information available. In addition, we did conduct pesticide screens on every lot of jojoba we produced from our farm. The screens were consistently negative, permitting us to confirm on our label that our product was pesticide-free.

In 2002, the US Department of Agriculture established guidelines for organic standards. The USDA has a very useful website, which describes the department's guidelines:
http://www.ams.usda.gov/nop/FactSheets/LabelingE.html

We believe the USDA's efforts in this regard are highly useful. However, we do take very strong exception to permissions granted concerning use of the "USDA Organic" seal, and we quote from the USDA's own webpage:

While all organic food producers must be certified by the USDA, use of the "USDA Organic" seal on products made with at least 95% organic ingredients is voluntary.

From our point of view, it's absolutely absurd to call something "organic" that is made of 95% organic materials. A product is either "organic" or it is not.

free skin care · Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:55 am

That is a great post fairlady and is exactly what I am talking about! There is literally so much misuse, abuse, corruption, and down right lying about "organic" that nobody really knows what organic is! And that is why there is no such thing as "organic" cosmetic raw materials or products right now. If any of you are buying such a thing right now, you are being fooled. If you are paying higher prices for such a thing right now, shame on you, because you are being duped!!

We get a majority of our jojoba seed from the wild in the senora desert right here in Arizona. No ANYTHING has been used to grow these wild seeds except rain fall and mother nature, but we don't call it "organic" because it would be a waste of money and effort right now. Until somebody can actually establish what true organic is, we will never waste time with it. But, we will still produce a wonderfully NATURAL jojoba seed oil!

John

free skin care · Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:01 am

Thanks for all the info John and fairlady!

I went back to the 2 websites that I have purchased from.

The non-organic one, posts the origin of the jojoba and the botanical name of Simmondsia chinensis

Whilst the "organic" one's name is buxus chinensis

Are there any differences between the two names?

free skin care · Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:08 am

Simmondsia Chinensis is the real INCI name that is used on cosmetic ingredient labels. Buxus Chinensis is a technical or trade name that is often used, and means the same thing. But Buxus Chinensis should not be used on ingredient labels because that would not be correct with CTFA convention.

Both names are used for the same thing. If you are thinking there is a difference because of the names, there is not.

John

Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:20 pm

Can someone please explain the benefits of using jojoba oil in your skin care regimen? I know nothing about this oil. TIA! Very Happy

free skin care · Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:59 pm

I know Liv! I am getting more and more intrigued.

free skin care · Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:30 pm

I bet the difference in results has more to do with the companies that process the oils rather than the organic/non-organic distinction.

free skin care · Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:38 am

Liv Luvs LS wrote:

Can someone please explain the benefits of using jojoba oil in your skin care regimen? I know nothing about this oil. TIA! Very Happy

Livlub, jojoba oil is one of my HG oils that I can't live without. I apply it to damp hair after I take a shower, along with a little camellia oil to lock in the moisture [I have very curly hair and it's always dry]. It helps reduce moisture loss.

I also use jojoba oil to remove makeup and sunscreen at night; trust me, it will NOT clog your pores. It's gentle enough to use around my eyes, removes mascara and dissolves all makeup easily. Because it's makeup is very close to human sebum, it's often used as a cleansing oil. About once a week, I'll damp my face with warm water and massage jojoba oil for about 15 minutes. I can feel little plugs of sebum removed after about 10 minutes of circular massage. Then I rinse with warm water, remove all traces with either a microcloth or toner and apply the rest of my actives.

I also mix up a few drops of neem oil in jojoba and apply it to my 18 year old kitty cat to control fleas and use it as a base for body oil to be applied after a shower or bath. It's truly lovely stuff, and I have noticed that jojoba oils that are certified organic tend to be a little darker and richer looking than oils that have been more processed and refined.

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