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Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:08 am  |
I always wonder how come most liquid mineral foundations contain silicones. I thought the purpose of using mineral foundation is cuz there're no chemicals so it's good for the skin. Since so many ppl break out from using silicones, why are they still in most liquid mineral foundation? Isn't that defeating the purpose? 
Also, what's the difference in using a liquid or powder mineral foundation? Any good liquid mineral foundation out there then? thnx  |
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Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:09 am |
Formulators use silicones in mineral foundations for several reasons. The minerals are very finely ground particles. Dry, they do not "spread" very well over the skin. But, silicones are great "pigment wetting agents". The liquid moves freely among the tiny particles and makes them slip and glide very easily. Then the liquid minerals can be applied to the skin in a smooth gliding motion so that application is much improved. The silicones that are used are also probably the "volatile" type like cyclopentasiloxane. Once applied and out in the air, the silicone evaporates off leaving only the dry mineral on the skin, and also it cannot clog pores that way because it evaporates away.
Long lasting foundations use heavier silicones that are not volatile. These not only help the particles spread easier, but also form a protective barrier to keep the colored particles in place for a long time. However, these types of silicones have a potential for clogging pores.
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Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:30 am |
John C. Hill, I checked the ingredients in their liquid mineral foundation. The 1st ingredient is dimethicone (and) dimeticone vinyl dimethicone crosspolymer. Are those pore clogging? I also see boron nitride in their ingredients. What is it then?
Personally, I kinda prefer my MMU to contain just the few basic ingredients such as Zinc, Titanium Dioxide, Iron Oxide, and Mica. It seems more pure  |
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Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:38 am |
These are a couple of the heavier silicones and they are not volatile. They will remain on the skin when the product is applied. They will help the product feel silky smooth when applied as well, but they can also be pore clogging for some people.
Boron Nitride is a very fine particle sized white powder. It is usually used as a "flow aid" as well, and sometimes for the white color to tone down the shade a little bit.
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Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:48 am |
Thanks John C. Hill! So u r saying that all liquid mineral makeup out there will most likely contain silicones?
So I assume Boron Nitride is not harmful to the skin then? |
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Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:35 pm |
Hey Stardusty, this is the ingredients for a liquid MMU I've been using since the Santa Ana winds hit in SoCal. Powder MMU leaves my face looking a little too caky and dry; this one fits the bill perfectly. Doesn't look like any silicones exist here.
This is fromwww.ncnproskincare.com and is truly lovely MMU.
FIRMING LIQUID MINERALS WITH DMAE & MSM:
Ingredients: Organic Aloe Juice, Organic Jojoba Oil, Titanium Dioxide, Emulsifying Wax, Iron Oxide, Vitamin E, Phenoxyethanol, Mica, Zinc Oxide, DMAE, Stearic Acid, Meadowfoam Oil, Carrot Oil, MSM, Konjac Glucomannan (Mannan), Rosemary Extract, Neem, Tetrasodium Edta, Citric Acid.
I don't like silicones on my face, they clog my pores but I don't mind 'cones on my hair, they contribute to softness by encouraging the cuticle on my curly hair to lay flat. |
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Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:58 pm |
| athena123 wrote: |
Hey Stardusty, this is the ingredients for a liquid MMU I've been using since the Santa Ana winds hit in SoCal. Powder MMU leaves my face looking a little too caky and dry; this one fits the bill perfectly. Doesn't look like any silicones exist here.
This is fromwww.ncnproskincare.com and is truly lovely MMU.
FIRMING LIQUID MINERALS WITH DMAE & MSM:
Ingredients: Organic Aloe Juice, Organic Jojoba Oil, Titanium Dioxide, Emulsifying Wax, Iron Oxide, Vitamin E, Phenoxyethanol, Mica, Zinc Oxide, DMAE, Stearic Acid, Meadowfoam Oil, Carrot Oil, MSM, Konjac Glucomannan (Mannan), Rosemary Extract, Neem, Tetrasodium Edta, Citric Acid.
I don't like silicones on my face, they clog my pores but I don't mind 'cones on my hair, they contribute to softness by encouraging the cuticle on my curly hair to lay flat. |
Thanks athena123!! hhm it seems there're a lot of oils in this foundation. Is it safe for break out prone skin? Thanks |
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Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:31 am |
Stardusty, my skin is quite oily and prone to clogged pores; I have to be pretty careful about ingredients. None of the oils in this MMU clog my pores at all. As a matter of fact, I use pure jojoba oil daily to remove makeup. Meadowfoam Seed oil and Carrot Seed oil have additional benefits as well and haven't caused any problems for me at all.
Good luck,
Athena |
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44 – combo/oily skin with a tendency towards clogged pores. Thanks to EDS, tweaked my skincare routine and normalized skin… no more breakouts. PSF, silk powder, Janson Beckett, Cellbone, NIA24 are staples. |
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Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:38 pm |
Thanks athena123, it sounds like a pretty good liquid MMU. Does it accentuate pores and fine lines? Did u try putting this under your eyes? I have dark circles and it seems that whatever I put there creased and looks cakey 
I'll order their samples when I'm running out of my current MMU. I have so many MMU samples from other companies that I need to throw out, such a waste. Although the samples are cheap itself but there're postage. Also it adds up too.  |
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Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:13 am |
Hi Star, yes I do apply this under eyes [very lightly] and it doesn't accentuate lines at all. I normally prefer powder mineral makeup but have found this to be infinitely preferable to any other liquid foundation when my skin is tending a little more dry.
Good luck and I hope you like it! |
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44 – combo/oily skin with a tendency towards clogged pores. Thanks to EDS, tweaked my skincare routine and normalized skin… no more breakouts. PSF, silk powder, Janson Beckett, Cellbone, NIA24 are staples. |
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Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:27 pm |
Silicones are used widely for the reasons below:
Silicones are much lighter than vegetable/animal oils and mineral oils. Although vegetable or animal oils are more natural and have ingredients good for skin, many of them are more greasy.
Silicones are much safer than most kinds of artificial oils, although the latter are light also and thus used even more widely.
There are various silicones that can be used for different purposes. Some evaporate quickly after applied on skin, just creating good spreading feel. Some have good visual smoothing effect (this is why product users love). Some bring good water-proof effect.
I know a professor teaching cosmetic formulation and ingredient safty recommands silicones oil greatly for the above reasons.
If I read silicones in ingredient list of a product, I don't avoid using the product.
What I care are ofter artificial oils and emusifiers.
Powder is generally safer than liquid, lotion or cream, because there are less ingredients requiring consideration, such as emusifiers, oils, and etc. |
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Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:56 pm |
stardusty, the NCN liquid minerals is super sheer. I ordered some samples to try and it definitely covers way less than any of my 4 tinted sunscreens (juice beauty, sofina, sunkiller, or SVR). i like the sheer coverage myself but if you are looking to conceal more imperfections, then i would definitely try another line. I know quite a few liquid minerals are silicone free including Monave and Lumiere.
Lumiere: http://www.lumierecosmetics.com/index.php?p=catalog&parent=47&pg=1
Monave ingredients (3 formulations):
Liquid Foundations
Liquid Matte Foundation base: Wildcrafted Rosemary Hydrosol, Squalene, Broccoli Seed Oil, Meadowfoam Seed Oil, Xantham Gum, Vitamin E, Suprapein (non-paraben preservative derived from essential oils).
Cream Foundation base:Organic sunflower oil, Soybean Oil, Jojoba, Unrefined Shea Butter, Purified Water, Beeswax, Wheat Germ Oil, Borax, Organic Aloe Leaf Juice, Chammomile Extract Vitamin E, Essential Oils of Rosewood, Lavender, WIldcrafted Rosemary.
Liquid Foundation - Moisture Mousse Foundation: Rose Hydrosol, organic jojoba, apricot kernel oil, organic shea butter, sunbleached beexwax, borax, soy lecithin, lavender hydrosol, xanthan gum, essential oils of rosewood, lavender and rose, vitamin e.
http://www.monave.com/catalog/cosmetics/face/mineral_foundation/Liquid_and_Cream_Foundations-426-1.html |
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Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:08 am |
| Thanks Skincareaddicted. R u sure Lumiere liquid mineral doesn't have silicones in it? I checked their ingredients and it contains dimethicone....hhm... |
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Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:24 am |
| I've been using lumiere liquid mineral foundation for a while and I didnt break out. I have acne prone skin. Just wondering if there is mineral oil and talc in a foundation, is it pore clogging? |
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23yr old Asian with combination skin prone to clogged pores. hyperpigmentation from pimples. uneven skintone, scars |
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Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:18 am |
| Lumiere's liquid foundation does have silicone. Dimethicone is a type of silicone. |
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Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:20 am |
| Hi, sorry about that. I thought lumiere's didn't and when i did a quick search, i couldn't find the ingredients. i say i am surprised that lumiere does though! |
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