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Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:12 pm  |
Hi, all
I am on my 35+ now. When I looked at the mirror, I really hate my face which seems alittle bite loose and with pores. I thought it is loose because it looks much better when I tried to lift it with my hands. I also concerned about my neck, a little bite fate and looks like I have two necks too. Please recommend me ficial and neck product that I can lift and firming my face and neck. Thank you! |
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Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:15 pm |
Hi bees and welcome to the forum. The forum has vast of information. I believe there is no one good product to help with pores and loose skin, but a complex approach needed.
Pores - in general considered difficult to minimize. For a long term try retin-a. Retin-a is for a long run, with results one to half a year away. Also you can try some sort of LED device red/infrared to stimulate collagen production. Meanwhile keep pores clean.
Loose skin - also no one definite answer. Retin-a can help somewhat, but again long waiting time. If loose skin is due to facial muscles sagging facial exercises might help. Take vitamins and supplements such as fish oil, MSM, Hyaluronic Acid. Some people reported they responded well to Cupping.
Threads
Do you do Facial Excercises?
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?tid=17697
Cupping - For Skin Tightening!!!
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?tid=27735
LED Light Therapy - Green, Yellow, Orange, Pink etc.
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?tid=27378
This thread might be difficult to digest, bottom of page 4, and page 5 contain LED devices summary. There are other threads on the topic.
Of cause you can do searches too. Happy reading!!  |
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Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:53 pm |
Those are really good threads to read. Thank you, mpstat.
There's another thread about Alphaderma CE. I'm seriously thinking of trying that next when I'm resting my face from retinol. |
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Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:10 pm |
| Blaze wrote: |
Those are really good threads to read. Thank you, mpstat.
There's another thread about Alphaderma CE. I'm seriously thinking of trying that next when I'm resting my face from retinol. |
I just ordered the alphderma ce and few to many other things..YIKES 
Lou |
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Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:34 pm |
Thank you for all of the good link. I am busy reading, thought can not sleep tonight. Thanks!
And for the Retin-a, any recommondation product? |
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Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:39 pm |
Retin-a is a prescription product from your derm office. At the same time it could be bought online.
Another thread: where to buy retin a online
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?tid=27067
Please read a lot before using it, because it can be pretty irritating, and there are special ways on how to get started. |
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Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:16 pm |
| I've heard from lots of other members to try the line eliminator from face2flaunt, you are suppose to use it around your lines on your mouth but it can be used under your eyes and on your face and it has helped others with those lines and makes the skin brighter and tighter, I'll be trying that soon. I found that thread on the lips2kiss thread. Good luck. |
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Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:09 pm |
| try Doves Intensive Firming Cream. my facial skin is so tight and firm I cant even lift my brows. lol. thats good thing though in terms of avoiding forehead wrinkles. |
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Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:03 pm |
| I checked the dove website and didn't find the dove firming gel cream. may I ask where to buy it? |
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Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:18 pm |
| Interested in Dove firming cream also. It's not supposed to be expensive. |
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Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:24 am |
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Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:42 am |
A word of caution, Newtox contains Acetyl Hexapeptide also known as Argireline. It might be more suitable for spot treatments then for entire face.
Botox injections target specific muscles, whereas Argireline (if it indeed works) is likely to relax most of your face. And while Argireline may reduce wrinkles, it may also, in theory, increase facial sag because the neurotransmitters whose release Argireline inhibits, help maintain facial firmness. |
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Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:19 am |
| mpstat wrote: |
A word of caution, Newtox contains Acetyl Hexapeptide also known as Argireline. It might be more suitable for spot treatments then for entire face.
Botox injections target specific muscles, whereas Argireline (if it indeed works) is likely to relax most of your face. And while Argireline may reduce wrinkles, it may also, in theory, increase facial sag because the neurotransmitters whose release Argireline inhibits, help maintain facial firmness. |
Hi mpstat,
Could you tell me where you found the above information? I'm curious because many people have found products that contain Argireline to be most helpful, Winnie for one. |
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Recent Karin Herzog convert. |
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Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:13 am |
Hello BluesHeart - I found this on SmartSkinCare:
http://www.smartskincare.com/treatments/topical/acetylhexapeptide.html
Long ago I read on their site a customer review when a woman was using an argiriline containing product, and had adverse effect up to her face felt like putty, she had creases from sleeping on a pillow at night and the creases would not disappear from her face for days. It was a higher concentration of argiriline, something like 15% though. I try avoid argiriline and perceive it more as a spot treatment. Also it might be counterproductive to use it with some ingredients that work in opposite direction to firm the muscles.
I did not mean to alarm anybody, just to be aware. For those interested in argiriline, it can be bought as an active solution and added to your favorite lotion http://cellbone.com/Hexapeptide3_Solution.htm |
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Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:21 am |
| mpstat wrote: |
Hello BluesHeart - I found this on SmartSkinCare:
http://www.smartskincare.com/treatments/topical/acetylhexapeptide.html
Long ago I read on their site a customer review when a woman was using an argiriline containing product, and had adverse effect up to her face felt like putty, she had creases from sleeping on a pillow at night and the creases would not disappear from her face for days. It was a higher concentration of argiriline, something like 15% though. I try avoid argiriline and perceive it more as a spot treatment. Also it might be counterproductive to use it with some ingredients that work in opposite direction to firm the muscles.
For those interested in argiriline, it can be bought as an active solution and added to your favorite lotion http://cellbone.com/Hexapeptide3_Solution.htm |
mpstat, What topical products do you know of that are able to firm muscles? |
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Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:29 am |
As far as I can tell, argiriline's effect on muscle contraction is very subtle. It certainly doesn't prevent me from frowning, squinting, etc., unfortunately. I haven't found it particularly effective on crow's feet or forehead lines, but at the same time I don't worry about it causing sagging. Frankly, I'd be surprised if a topical active could interrupt nerve signals to any appreciable degree, which is what you'd need for Botox-like effectiveness or conversely, unwanted sagging.
I don't go out of my way to use it, but if it's in a product that I particularly like, I don't avoid it either. |
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Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:45 am |
yogi - DMAE has opposite effect than argiriline; maybe I should have not say muscles, sorry did not mean to be misleading. Also I feel that facial exercises work in an opposite way. Facial exercises are not topical product but seems they work in opposite direction.
Someone on another thread posted that she was going to do facial exercises and do botox. Initially I could not understand how it was possible, but after some consideration think that if botox (argiriline or similar) applied to small isolated areas such as crows feet, 11 lines, it is a possibility. It is purely my opinion, and it is not what encouraged by people who are really into facial exercises. |
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Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:54 am |
| mpstat -- That's interesting. From what I've read, DMAE may firm muscles if taken internally. And it may firm skin if used topically. Perhaps what I've read is incorrect. |
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Sun Mar 23, 2008 12:55 pm |
yogi - since we were talking about topical argiriline application I meant that it works in an opposite direction with DMAE topical application. I did use DMAE in the past, and still use it periodically now and then, and I like it. At the same time I think there is no one topical cream that substitute for actual toned facial or body muscles.
Actually I take DMAE internally too as part of Centrophenoxine. DMAE and p-chlorophenoxyacetate are two active ingredients that make up centrophenoxine. It has anti-aging properties, extends life span and removes lipofuscin (aging pigment) from the body. I was not aware of muscle firming effect of DMAE. I guess I have had an added benefit for this purpose. |
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Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:49 am |
| mpstat wrote: |
| Actually I take DMAE internally too as part of Centrophenoxine. DMAE and p-chlorophenoxyacetate are two active ingredients that make up centrophenoxine. It has anti-aging properties, extends life span and removes lipofuscin (aging pigment) from the body. I was not aware of muscle firming effect of DMAE. I guess I have had an added benefit for this purpose. |
Centrophenoxine contains DMAE? I read about centro's benefits for the brain and longevity but nothing about it helping the skin, or maybe I just forgot. I do remember that it reduces lipofuscin, though. I also remember centrophenoxine being a bit pricey so that's why I didn't start taking it. I might have to look into it again. |
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Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:35 am |
| Lotusspecter - a clarification, we have been discussing two different uses of DMAE: topical and internal. Topical use supposedly helps to firm the skin. Internal intake has other benefits such as removing lipofuscin. If you decide to go ahead and take Centrophenoxine you might want to look into piracetam as well. Centrophenoxine + Piracetam when taken together have synergetic effect and increase energy level. Piracetam on its own also has longevity effect. Good part that both supplements do not have known side effects just positives. |
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Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:51 am |
Mpstat, I understand what you meant when I quoted you now. I initially thought you suggested that there was an aesthetic benefit to taking centrophenoxine because of its DMAE content. I did misunderstand that a bit.
I am familiar with the piracetam & centro combination and many other nootropics as well. I researched them for months but I wavered on actually trying them out. Do you take any additional nootropics? Are there any threads on them here? Sorry to hijack this thread  |
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Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:05 pm |
| lotusspecter wrote: |
Mpstat...
I am familiar with the piracetam & centro combination and many other nootropics as well. I researched them for months but I wavered on actually trying them out. Do you take any additional nootropics? Are there any threads on them here? Sorry to hijack this thread |
lotusspecter - I did not see nootropics threads on EDS. This forum is more on skin care and make up. Since you did research recently, you might be more up to date on the latest info.
In addition to Centrophenoxine I take Piracetam, Acetil L-Carnitine&Alpha Lipoic Acid, CoQ10, and Melatonin. I was looking into adding Deprenyl, but never purchased it; got Lecithin, and still did not add it to the stack. |
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Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:14 pm |
That's a nice, simple stack I can appreciate. I've seen ones 15-20 deep. I took an Acetyl L-Carnitine and R-ALA combo and it made me very alert and gave me acute insomnia. I didn't mind it so much, though, because it was in the summer.
Denprenyl, is that the one that's a mist or is that Modafinil? I take lecithin, too, when I can remember it. The only thing I'm good at taking is DHA/EPA.
How long have you been taking Piracetam? How do you feel on it? Do you cycle it? Ever tried other -racetams? Ugh, I can't even remember what distracted me from nootropics. I'd written down what I wanted to try and what doses to experiment with in my (extensive) notes, too. I don't know what I was waiting for. Thanks for refreshing my memory. |
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Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:06 am |
| lotusspecter - I know that there are some very intricate stacks and regimens out there, and I have a simple version. Deprenyl I was looking at was in tablets, not spray. I have been taking piracetam for about 1.5 years or maybe 2. It is recommended in some cases to start taking really large doses of pirecetam + centrophenoxine combo to see an effect, and then to go down. I never got on high doses, and always kept it relatively low. I take them five times a week then two days break, e.g. take on weekdays with a break on weekend. Once in a while I add longer breaks. Feel great, did not notice anything negative related to the supplements. Please share your ideas! Thanks! |
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