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Fri May 09, 2008 8:20 pm |
Hi, I really found many skincare lines will use certain concepts to make their products fresh, appealling or even mysterious (ie La Mer's miracle).
However, some of the concepts are really cheating, here I picked up some of them, and you gals can bring more. I know many of the products actually are doing very well, but I just want to say they are not so honest.
Valmont.
They said they were using DNA RNA technology.
Forget DNA, just for RNA. There are some molecules called RNase distributed everywhere especially on your skin (as a skin secretion), RNase will degrade RNA very frequently, that's the reason why biological labs will have very strict protocols to do RNA work ---- RNase is everywhere and they degrade RNA so fast that if you don't do certain strict, lab-special treatments, all of your RNA will disappear. So it will be really interesting to see how Valmont can keep RNA and supply RNA to our face. This gonna be a Nobel prize.
Remergent DNA repair serum.
It is said that they have a DNA repair enzyme from plankon.
Well, DNA is not allowed outside of our cells, they are in the nuclei of the cells. As a result, if some enzyme (enzyme usually refers to a protein) is going to repair your DNA, then if must pass your cell membrane , escape all the protease which degrades proteins in the cell, and pass the membrane of nuclei. As both cell membrane and nulear membrane are impermissible to proteins. However the DNA repair enzyme arrives in the DNA? And as DNA is the central actor in cell, any environmental contact with DNA is very likely to be cancer-inducible...
Amatokin
Their concept is "stem cell"
Here is their ingredient list I got from this post
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=25408&highlight=amatokin
Amatokin Emulsion For Face (1 oz./$173): Water (Aqua), Neopentyl Glycol Dicaprylate/Dicaprate, Yeast Extract (Faex), Silica, Glycerin, Hydrolyzed Soy Protein, Cetearyl Alcohol, Tridecyl Trimellitate, Glycereth-26, Glyceryl Stearate, Cetyl Alcohol, Dimethicone/ Divinyldimethicone/Silsesquioxane Crosspolymer, PEG-100 Stearate, Polypeptide 153, Albumen, Cetearyl Glucoside, Phenylethyl Resorcinol, Dipeptide Diaminobutyroyol Benzylamide Diacetate, Dimethicone, Carbomer, Mica, Titanium Dioxide, Disodium Distyrylbiphenyl Disulfonate, Potassium Chloride, Polysorbate 20, PEG-8, Triethanolamine, Aluminum Hydroxide, Aluminum Chloride, Aluminum Benzoate, Disodium EDTA, Sodium Phosphate, Trisodium Phosphate, Butylene Glycol, Phenoxyethanol, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Isobutylparaben, Butylparaben, Ethylparaben.
Can you see anything related to stem cell? Basically, the function comes from peptides and some fillings.
Peptides can treat aging. While Dimethicone/ Divinyldimethicone/Silsesquioxane Crosspolymer, Dimethicone,Aluminum Hydroxide, Aluminum Chloride, Aluminum Benzoate are just some fillings, which fill in your lines and wrinkles, leaving your skin a smooth touch, iin another word, it is just a fake feeling, no real results. |
_________________ Combo, acne, dry inside, thick skin, never irrated. |
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Fri May 09, 2008 8:48 pm |
thanks, januari,
this is an informative post, although i cannot comprehend the science behind any of this. i am curious what you can tell us about NIA24!
--avalange |
_________________ http://newnaturalbeauty.tumblr.com/ 37, light-toned olive skin, broken caps, normal skin. My staples: Osea cleansing milk, Algae Oil, Advanced Protection Cream, Eyes & Lips, Tata Harper, Julie Hewett makeup, Amazing Cosmetics Powder, & By Terry Light Expert, Burnout, and daily inversion therapy and green smoothies! |
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Fri May 09, 2008 9:15 pm |
avalange wrote: |
thanks, januari,
this is an informative post, although i cannot comprehend the science behind any of this. i am curious what you can tell us about NIA24!
--avalange |
I checked NIA 24. The concept of NIA24 is Niacin.
Here is an introduction to Niacin from wikipedia.
Niacin is a precursor to NADH, NAD, NAD+, and NADP, which play essential metabolic roles in living cells.[1] Among its many functions, niacin derivatives are involved with detoxification of xenochemicals,[2] DNA repair, and the production of steroid hormones in the adrenal gland.
In biology, we call NAD (NADH, NAD+) coezyme I. It is a very important cofactor for many proteins, especially in enzymatic reactions. So NAD is something as important as VitC (it is actually vitamin B3). The differences between NAD and Vit C is that NAD takes care more at respiration reaction (cell energy production) and detoxification of some chemicals while Vit C works more as an antioxidation reagent. This is something definitly good for health. Usually people can get enough NAD from daily life as this molecule is so important that it is distributed so widely and abundant.
HOwever, as drinking too much water is also toxic, anything which is too much will become a toxin. If you had too much NAD, it will result in cell's disorder of oxidation-reduction state, and even some free radicals. However, as for skincare product, you won't get too much stuff arrives in the cell. And I am pretty sure that there is a cell surface receptor can transport this NAD into the cell, so your cell won't lose it if NAD can REACH your cells. |
_________________ Combo, acne, dry inside, thick skin, never irrated. |
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Fri May 09, 2008 9:22 pm |
Sorry that forgot to mention NADP which is also a derivative of Niacin is called coenzyme II, it is also related to cell respiration (energy generation) and detoxification. The differences ( I am not so sure right now) between NAD and NADP is that NAD usually works with proteins as a key component, and NADP usually works as a substrate of proteins to be oxidized, another difference is NADP is more reductive than NAD. |
_________________ Combo, acne, dry inside, thick skin, never irrated. |
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Fri May 09, 2008 9:23 pm |
januarui...very helpful information!
I think the other thing is that most companies put as little of the actives in their products as possible...just because studies show that certain actives can do X, does NOT mean that there is enough of that active in Cream Y to actually cause X effect! |
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Fri May 09, 2008 9:32 pm |
bethany wrote: |
januarui...very helpful information!
I think the other thing is that most companies put as little of the actives in their products as possible...just because studies show that certain actives can do X, does NOT mean that there is enough of that active in Cream Y to actually cause X effect! |
Totally agree, I just opened one lotion, and it said the active ingredients are some essential oils, and I found that these oils are at the bottom of the ingredient lists...
ANother trick is that some active ingredients are not stable (if they are stable, we can certainly get enough of it from everyday diety !!), well, the companies just left those active ingredients going bad and they don't care. I guess Vit C is good example. RNA is another one. Peptides should be the third, as there are many peptidase in the environment and also our skin can sccret them, peptidases degrade peptides as quickly as RNase degrades RNA.
The third trick is that most ingredients can not pass the barrier of our skin, so they can not be taken advantage of by our skin cell. Then what do we need these ingredients for? |
_________________ Combo, acne, dry inside, thick skin, never irrated. |
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Fri May 09, 2008 11:46 pm |
Januarui, I never realised you had degrees in science and medicine! If you don't then what you have written in this thread is just your opinion (which you are entitled to). Perhaps you could explain to those readers who may be tempted to believe your statements where you obtained all this knowledge or is it just hearsay. |
_________________ Skin: Over 60, ex combination now sensitive, Cellcosmet |
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Sat May 10, 2008 12:33 am |
I agree that many cosmetic lines use 'goodies' for marketing purposes. I previously worked in a private contract R&D lab for personal care (ie clients came to us to formulate and create the product they wanted to sell). Many of our clients, some even represented here at EDS would tell us to add this 'goodie' or take out this 'goodie'.
They are called goodies in the industry because it makes the product look good and marketable. I was exposed to many different formulas from hair sprays to serums to lotions to toners etc... (the list goes on), and through my experience I have never seen an active/essential oil/goodie at a remarkable percentage for that matter, many times it didn't even reach 1% more like 0.1% or even 0.05%.
I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble, but that's kind of the reality of the personal care industry. Afterall, it isn't a multi-billion dollar industry for no good reason. There are quite a few good products out there, but there are also many bad too...I think everyone needs to do their homework if they are shelling out X amt of money from their pocketbook.
Just my opinion from a bit of experience from being behind the scenes. Hope I was able to clear up a little for some people! If you would like to know more about something, please ask I will try my best to answer the question, given I have an answer : ) (And please do not ask which companies because I must really keep that confidential just to be professional, If I could I would let everyone know, but it would be wrong. Sorry : ( |
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Sat May 10, 2008 5:04 am |
bushy wrote: |
Januarui, I never realised you had degrees in science and medicine! If you don't then what you have written in this thread is just your opinion (which you are entitled to). Perhaps you could explain to those readers who may be tempted to believe your statements where you obtained all this knowledge or is it just hearsay. |
HI, I am graduate student in biological sciences (hard to say which division, because I do both Biophyisics and Genetics). If you really doubt what I am saying, then go and check it online, there is so much knowledge there. Wikipedia is very good and it is usually right in some very professional concepts.
I totally agree that people should think more when they got some new information, but I think the way they think should be to check out more information.
Here is a link to tell you how it is impossible to have integrated RNA in environment due to RNase
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNase
Here is a link telling you the basic structure of cell nucleus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_nucleus
Here is a link telling you how difficult that cell takes big, charged molecules (As I remembered , the only way cell can import proteins is engulfment, however, imported proteins are always staying in a separated liposome in the cell and then degraded.).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_permeability
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_________________ Combo, acne, dry inside, thick skin, never irrated. |
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Sat May 10, 2008 5:20 am |
gellys wrote: |
I agree that many cosmetic lines use 'goodies' for marketing purposes. I previously worked in a private contract R&D lab for personal care (ie clients came to us to formulate and create the product they wanted to sell). Many of our clients, some even represented here at EDS would tell us to add this 'goodie' or take out this 'goodie'.
They are called goodies in the industry because it makes the product look good and marketable. I was exposed to many different formulas from hair sprays to serums to lotions to toners etc... (the list goes on), and through my experience I have never seen an active/essential oil/goodie at a remarkable percentage for that matter, many times it didn't even reach 1% more like 0.1% or even 0.05%.
I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble, but that's kind of the reality of the personal care industry. Afterall, it isn't a multi-billion dollar industry for no good reason. There are quite a few good products out there, but there are also many bad too...I think everyone needs to do their homework if they are shelling out X amt of money from their pocketbook.
Just my opinion from a bit of experience from being behind the scenes. Hope I was able to clear up a little for some people! If you would like to know more about something, please ask I will try my best to answer the question, given I have an answer : ) (And please do not ask which companies because I must really keep that confidential just to be professional, If I could I would let everyone know, but it would be wrong. Sorry : ( |
I guess the best question to ask you should be "do you have any recommendation on skincare lines?" |
_________________ Combo, acne, dry inside, thick skin, never irrated. |
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Sat May 10, 2008 6:10 am |
januarui wrote: |
bethany wrote: |
januarui...very helpful information!
I think the other thing is that most companies put as little of the actives in their products as possible...just because studies show that certain actives can do X, does NOT mean that there is enough of that active in Cream Y to actually cause X effect! |
Totally agree, I just opened one lotion, and it said the active ingredients are some essential oils, and I found that these oils are at the bottom of the ingredient lists...
ANother trick is that some active ingredients are not stable (if they are stable, we can certainly get enough of it from everyday diety !!), well, the companies just left those active ingredients going bad and they don't care. I guess Vit C is good example. RNA is another one. Peptides should be the third, as there are many peptidase in the environment and also our skin can sccret them, peptidases degrade peptides as quickly as RNase degrades RNA.
The third trick is that most ingredients can not pass the barrier of our skin, so they can not be taken advantage of by our skin cell. Then what do we need these ingredients for? |
I believe this to be a very complicating topic. Soon you will not dare to open a bottle of skin care serum without having a degree in science.
Regarding the concentration of active ingredients/"goodies" in skin care:
Yes, lots of cheaper drugstore brands which advertise with containing Aloe Vera, Q10, vit C etc contain a minor amount of these ingredients which will never be able to do anything good for the skin.
I regard the situation to be different for some of the more reputable and expensive skin care. Most hyaluronic serums contains 1 % Sodium Hyaluronate and 99 % distilled water, simply because this concentration is believed to be most beneficial to the skin.
The same issue applies to the Revaleskin Coffeeberry cream. It contains 1 % coffeeberry and lots of fillers and chemicals. Still, I believe that a higher concentration of coffeeberry is not regarded to benefit the skin. It might cause irritation etc. It might be questioned, though, why this cream sells for §§§...
Essential oils will always appear near the bottom of any ingredients list, as these oils are so concentrated it requires only a couple of drops to a 1 oz bottle of carrier oil. Higher concentrations will cause irritation and unwanted effects. |
_________________ Female, 40, Norway. Normal/dry skin, starting to see signs of aging. Staples: Glycolic acid cleanser, SkinCeuticals Phloretin CF, Revaleskin, NIA24. |
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Sat May 10, 2008 11:54 am |
Septembergirl wrote: |
I regard the situation to be different for some of the more reputable and expensive skin care. |
I think reputation is definitely key. |
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Sat May 10, 2008 1:14 pm |
januari,
i think your opinion is invaluable on this forum. i am a doctoral researcher myself, but not in the hard sciences. i have learned to be skeptical and to do my research and attempt to make the most informed choices possible with respect to my skin and my health. Sometimes I fail, as with my blind trust in copper peptides, which ruined my skin (my skin irretrievably lost elasticity, and the doctor who invented them claimed that I was "too young," at 32 to use them, so it's my fault (?!?)).
i'm still confused about what you said about NIA, however--apparently they have a patented version of the molecule that can reach the cell walls, thus resulting in DNA repair (not production). To my mind it seems to be the only line that actually plausibly repairs damaged proteins. Hopefully you can enlighten us! I am trying to repair Copper peptide damage now, and of course the attempt to locate a line that repairs damage is very tricky, perhaps even impossible.
I took your posts as referring us to wikipedia, but integrating your own knowledge into the wikipedia sources--am I not correct? You weren't cribbing information, but giving us your knowledgeable gloss on it.
I am well aware of the "goodies" marketing ploy. One line that does in fact use quite a large percentage of essential oils and other active ingredients in their products is Osea. Their cleansers, for instance, feel as if you are putting EOs neat onto the skin. You can always feel the difference. EO blends are also easy to make on your own--no need to add alcohol or preservatives if you understand the formulation protocols.
--avalange |
_________________ http://newnaturalbeauty.tumblr.com/ 37, light-toned olive skin, broken caps, normal skin. My staples: Osea cleansing milk, Algae Oil, Advanced Protection Cream, Eyes & Lips, Tata Harper, Julie Hewett makeup, Amazing Cosmetics Powder, & By Terry Light Expert, Burnout, and daily inversion therapy and green smoothies! |
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Sat May 10, 2008 1:15 pm |
I don't. Reputations can be manufactured with the best of PR companies.
I've seen it firsthand, many times.
--avalange
bethany wrote: |
Septembergirl wrote: |
I regard the situation to be different for some of the more reputable and expensive skin care. |
I think reputation is definitely key. |
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_________________ http://newnaturalbeauty.tumblr.com/ 37, light-toned olive skin, broken caps, normal skin. My staples: Osea cleansing milk, Algae Oil, Advanced Protection Cream, Eyes & Lips, Tata Harper, Julie Hewett makeup, Amazing Cosmetics Powder, & By Terry Light Expert, Burnout, and daily inversion therapy and green smoothies! |
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Sat May 10, 2008 1:20 pm |
gellys wrote: |
(And please do not ask which companies because I must really keep that confidential just to be professional, If I could I would let everyone know, but it would be wrong. Sorry : ( |
gellys,
thanks for reminding us about this sad, sad fact. I think it's pretty easy to disentangle the companies that use actives from those that use goodies these days. ingredient lists are really dead giveaways for most, and when you know about correct formulations concentrations such as those for Hyaluronic acid, essential oils, and vitamin c and such, one can make informed decisions about products by sizing up their claims against their ingredients. european lines are exempt from this consumer awareness, however--they are not required to list ingredients in terms of percentage. a friend in france who worked with Avene told me that there is such a minimal amount of retinalhyde in their new creams, that there is no way it would ever make a difference in the skin, even though it is high up in the ingredient list.
--avalange |
_________________ http://newnaturalbeauty.tumblr.com/ 37, light-toned olive skin, broken caps, normal skin. My staples: Osea cleansing milk, Algae Oil, Advanced Protection Cream, Eyes & Lips, Tata Harper, Julie Hewett makeup, Amazing Cosmetics Powder, & By Terry Light Expert, Burnout, and daily inversion therapy and green smoothies! |
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Sat May 10, 2008 3:06 pm |
Hi, Avalange,
Thank you for recommending Osea, I am going to try it. ALthough I am a graduate student in biological sciences, however, I didn't get enough knowledge to skincare area, and no experimental experience to it at all. What I can point out is just some basic biological concepts. So do judge by yourself.
Niacin definitly can help a lot in Oxidation-reduction level of the cell, the respiration of the cell, the detoxfication, the anti-free radical process (sundamage). So you can stick to it if it works for you.
As I mention at first, that many of these products actually work. So I guess they just have their own way to treat our skin, however, that way is just not a good marketing way and will inform us that their products don't worth that amount of money. I got cheated many times, and only recently I started to check the ingredient lists. |
_________________ Combo, acne, dry inside, thick skin, never irrated. |
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Sat May 10, 2008 4:07 pm |
i read somewhere that a side effect from niacin is dry skin. Avalange are you using the NIA24 products? M particularly curious about the sunblock. I received some samples from them, and let me say the samples are generously sized. I tried the Sunblock and i liked the texture also it did not leave a white cast on my skin either. The only problem i had is after 3-4 days of using this SS in the day time i experienced dry skin and tightness in my skin.. I realised as soon as i put on the SS i start feeling tightness in skin. My skin had dry patches especially near the mouth and side of nose areas. Also my skin happened to be kinda peeling in some places. At the back of the sample i read if irritation or rash occurs consult a doctor. ALso i noticed i have couple of 4-5 realy really small pimple like bumps not itchy or anything
I dunno if the dry and tight skin was due to some skin renewal process part of the product? Or was it the beginning of some irritation developing.
Anyway i decided to stop using the sample for a while and certainly my skin is going back to normal. Less dry and tight. Those really small bumps are gone. I dont want to continue using the SS which i quite like if in fact it is damaging my skin and causing some irritation. So m confused. I have emailed them though so awaiting a reply now.
What has your experience been like with the products Avalange? The only thing i have tried so far is the SS. |
_________________ age 33 .. skin dry with odd breakout now and then. skin color best i can describe is golden brown..tans easily |
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Sat May 10, 2008 4:14 pm |
It should be common knowledge that skin care companies to a large extent offer dreams and hopes in bottles rather than scientifically proven medicine to treat signs of aging.
One can consider products with topical agents that are more or less clinically proven to improve wrinkles and signs of aging. According to Smartskincare.com these agents are clinically proven:
Alpha-hydroxy acids
Tretinoin
Retinoids
Estrogens
Vitamin C and its derivatives
anhydrous vitamin C combo
The following are possibly effective, but need more research:
Matrixyl
Copper Peptides
Alpha lipoic acid
Active retinol
Coenzyme Q10
Idebenone
Lycopene
DMAE
Green tea
MMP inhibitors
Kinetin
Progesterone
Niacinamide
Oat beta-glucan
It's difficult for skin care consumer to estimate the accurate concentration of an agent in a product, the delivery system in the cream/serum, whether the ingredients are stable, to which extent the skin will absorb a product etc.
In order to choose the right product, other people's experiences will be highly valuable. A brand's reputation is also built by word of mouth, not only PR agencies and marketing experts.
Here's a link to the article on Smartskincare, first posted by Alley on another thread:
http://www.smartskincare.com/treatments/topical/ |
_________________ Female, 40, Norway. Normal/dry skin, starting to see signs of aging. Staples: Glycolic acid cleanser, SkinCeuticals Phloretin CF, Revaleskin, NIA24. |
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Sat May 10, 2008 4:18 pm |
avalange wrote: |
gellys,
thanks for reminding us about this sad, sad fact. I think it's pretty easy to disentangle the companies that use actives from those that use goodies these days. ingredient lists are really dead giveaways for most, and when you know about correct formulations concentrations such as those for Hyaluronic acid, essential oils, and vitamin c and such, one can make informed decisions about products by sizing up their claims against their ingredients. european lines are exempt from this consumer awareness, however--they are not required to list ingredients in terms of percentage. a friend in france who worked with Avene told me that there is such a minimal amount of retinalhyde in their new creams, that there is no way it would ever make a difference in the skin, even though it is high up in the ingredient list.
--avalange |
here are the percentages of retinaldehyde in Avene products if you`re interested:
Ystheal - 0,05% retinaldehyde
Ystheal eyes - 0,015% ret.
Eluage cream - 0,05% ret. + 0,5% hyaluronic acid
Eluage serum - 0,05% ret. + 1% hyaluronic acid
Diacneal - 0,1% ret. + 6,4% glycolic acid
Retrinal (for US market) - 0,1% ret.
well, donnow if these % are able to make a difference in the skin though...
I`ve just started Ystheal, but it`s too early to say...
I can say about Ystheal eye contour - totally useless... |
_________________ 31, combo - oily, breakout-prone, fair complexion, sensitive and prone to rosacea |
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Sat May 10, 2008 4:32 pm |
simran wrote: |
i read somewhere that a side effect from niacin is dry skin. Avalange are you using the NIA24 products? M particularly curious about the sunblock. I received some samples from them, and let me say the samples are generously sized. I tried the Sunblock and i liked the texture also it did not leave a white cast on my skin either. The only problem i had is after 3-4 days of using this SS in the day time i experienced dry skin and tightness in my skin.. I realised as soon as i put on the SS i start feeling tightness in skin. My skin had dry patches especially near the mouth and side of nose areas. Also my skin happened to be kinda peeling in some places. At the back of the sample i read if irritation or rash occurs consult a doctor. ALso i noticed i have couple of 4-5 realy really small pimple like bumps not itchy or anything
I dunno if the dry and tight skin was due to some skin renewal process part of the product? Or was it the beginning of some irritation developing.
Anyway i decided to stop using the sample for a while and certainly my skin is going back to normal. Less dry and tight. Those really small bumps are gone. I dont want to continue using the SS which i quite like if in fact it is damaging my skin and causing some irritation. So m confused. I have emailed them though so awaiting a reply now.
What has your experience been like with the products Avalange? The only thing i have tried so far is the SS. |
Simran, by chance did you follow the introductory protocol of only one product daily, every second day? That might make a difference for you as your skin adjusts to the niacin.
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During the FIRST WEEK of Treatment…
Apply a very light application of ONLY ONE of the NIA 24™ leave-on products (Skin Strengthening Complex or Sun Damage Prevention 100% Mineral Sunscreen SPF 30) every other day, once daily and monitor your skin for any signs of redness, itchiness, breakout or dryness. If any side effects occur, continue this once-daily regimen for 5–7 days, as much of the irritation will clear up as your skin adjusts to the increased Niacin. If systems continue after 3 weeks, discontinue and consult your physician.
http://www.nia24.com/products/intro_regimen.cfm |
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Sat May 10, 2008 5:18 pm |
bushy wrote: |
Januarui, I never realised you had degrees in science and medicine! If you don't then what you have written in this thread is just your opinion (which you are entitled to). Perhaps you could explain to those readers who may be tempted to believe your statements where you obtained all this knowledge or is it just hearsay. |
Hehehe, I'm kind of coming in here but I just laughed because I do have an engineering background, so for the future, am I supposed to say, and this is from Nimue, background in engineering? (Never mind the fact that it's in electrical engineering )
Anyway, I don't think it's necessary to have a doctorate in chemical engineering to be able to read and get some understanding out of scientific papers. You don't need to underestand the chemical reaction that takes place, sometimes it's ok to just trust that it does happen when you hear it from the experts. |
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Sat May 10, 2008 5:40 pm |
By the way, to anyone who want to research stuff, PubMed is a great source. For example, I came to the conclusion that I want a sunscreen based on micronized zinc oxide by reading abstracts on PubMed like this one:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9922017 |
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Sat May 10, 2008 6:16 pm |
i love this thread. this is the reason i decided to join this community. certainly not for the, oh! my eyelashes are lopsided threads, but for the threads in which interesting and learned contributors can share information and enlighten one another.
i appreciate the input, the resources, and the insightful comments!
--avalange |
_________________ http://newnaturalbeauty.tumblr.com/ 37, light-toned olive skin, broken caps, normal skin. My staples: Osea cleansing milk, Algae Oil, Advanced Protection Cream, Eyes & Lips, Tata Harper, Julie Hewett makeup, Amazing Cosmetics Powder, & By Terry Light Expert, Burnout, and daily inversion therapy and green smoothies! |
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Sat May 10, 2008 6:20 pm |
Nimue wrote: |
By the way, to anyone who want to research stuff, PubMed is a great source. For example, I came to the conclusion that I want a sunscreen based on micronized zinc oxide by reading abstracts on PubMed like this one:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9922017 |
Wow, pubmed! I think this is probably too difficult for people who don't use pubmed a lot, coz it gives many related or nonrelated papers, and they are all written in very special language (full of definitions).
What I want to mention is that 1. not all of the publications there are 100% correct, but they are definitly more reliable. 2. They are usually results from experiments, labs, clinic surveys. In a word, they are threories, so as for practice, there might be differences. |
_________________ Combo, acne, dry inside, thick skin, never irrated. |
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Sat May 10, 2008 6:34 pm |
januarui,well say
....but really want to believe those "miracles" were true |
_________________ 36,asian,freckles,dry to normal skin type |
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