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Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:30 am      Reply with quote
Can the AALS be used after a rolling session?

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Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:53 pm      Reply with quote
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Can the AALS be used after a rolling session?


I wouldn't use it following a rolling session on the same night, because you shouldn't interrupt the inflammation + wound healing cascade that makes it all work. If it were me, I would leave the 24 hours post roll unimpeded by *anything* other than beneficial topical products. That's just my opinion based on what I've studied on the subject. In any case, keep in mind that your LED greatly reduces inflammation, and the reason you are rolling is to get that inflammation... (Why go through that torture, only to undue the very thing that makes it work.. Confused )

Sometimes in our excitement to use our gadgets, we tend to use them too frequently, or even one following the other... When it comes to those gadgets that effect either ATP or collagen synthesis, I just feel it's best to not interfere with the very process you have just stimulated for at least 24 to 48 hours..

I haven't rolled yet, but was considering a .2 mm for product penetration only. I seem to be rebuilding a healthy collagen/elastin foundation without rolling so far. My protocol at this maintenance point in time, is to alternate gadgets/massage/whatever on an every other night schedule. That usually works out to 2 or 3 gadget/treatments a week at most. I have excellent results when I don't overpower my skin with anything. I also believe that the day of rest in between, just might be why my results seem to be better than the average bear.. Laughing I'm not interrupting the re-building process...hmm!

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Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:15 pm      Reply with quote
I've just started with my AALS and after 3 nights in a row I had some kind of raised red areas on my face/cheek like little burns. Nothing that severe but looked a bit rashy. I did the green tea spray before but the third night put oils first since I thought it might be drying me out... Afterwards I only use my all natural skin creams and/or Rosehip oil,
If LED is supposed to help with inflammation I am wondering why it has caused some inflammation on the skin on my face? It's kind of like it's dried me out so perhaps I need to add oil before every time then? I have skipped today and yesterday because I don't want to overdo it until it's healed..I hope I am not only going to be able to use it a few times aweek because in the books it even suggests 2x a day if you like. I realize here the consensus is about 5x a week I think..
any advice? Smile

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Mon Feb 15, 2010 4:03 pm      Reply with quote
Pollyanna, LED's can be drying. That may be what has caused the red spots. Don't apply the oil before use, though. This can interfere with the light penetrating the skin and diminish your results. HTH

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Mon Feb 15, 2010 4:20 pm      Reply with quote
Thanks Tonia Smile
but what should I do instead-just cut back my sessions? I feel like I need to do at least 5 a week to get results but I have had to skip 2 days now as it is not fully heeled but it is going away..
I thought I'd read something on here about applying avocado oil beforehand and that it was a good option...?

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Mon Feb 15, 2010 4:43 pm      Reply with quote
Pollyanna, I've never done more than three sessions per week and have had good results. More than that is too drying on my skin. I'd say give fewer sessions a try. It may work for you. If it doesn't, you can work your way back up as your skin adjusts. Of course, this is just my opinion. It will be interesting to see what other members have to say about this.

I'm not sure about the Avocado oil. I know I've read that you shouldn't apply oil before LED use but Avocado may be an exception. hmm Hmmm, now I want to go back and read that.

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Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:56 pm      Reply with quote
foxe wrote:
Can the AALS be used after a rolling session?


This subject is discussed here on the Dermarolling for Product Penetration thread:

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=36278&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=75

Many professional clinics are now giving an LED treatment after a clinical roll.

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Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:22 pm      Reply with quote
Thanks Keliu - I'll pop over there and read that info. Didn't realize it was there.

Kassy - you've been missing a while - been outa range of WiFi on your boat? LOL Really have missed ya anyway.

I tend to agree w/ you on needing the inflammation post roll on the larger needles. That's why I asked. I also have the shorter ones, so I'm thinking it might be good after that. I will try to follow suit like you and alternate nights with all the gadgets I'm collecting. It gets a bit overwhelming, but I'm sure I'll figure it all out.

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Tue Feb 16, 2010 4:15 pm      Reply with quote
I'm just popping in to clarify my LED and DR statement above... I don't think it matters if the LED is used immediately after rolling, IF the rolling is for "product penetration" only. But if the long needles are used, and CIT is your goal, then I absolutely believe that the LED will interfere with with the 2nd, 3rd + 4th stage of the wound healing cascade...

No I don't roll, but I do know a thing or ten about wounds in general, and the biochemical and pathological response to injury.

To put it in a nut shell, acute wounds heal in a an orderly and efficient manner, and are characterized by four distinct, but overlapping phases: 1) hemostasis, 2)inflammation, 3) proliferation and 4) remodeling.

If the inflammatory stage is disrupted, by the anti-inflammatory capabilities of the LED, then the 3rd and 4th stages of the skin remodelling process will be disrupted, and not reach it's full potential.

Anyhoo, that's my take from a purely medical point of view. The science also dictates that vitamin C is an essential component needed, to build the healthiest collagen. I know it has been talked about that Spa's typically follow rolling with LED treatments, but I would assume it's strictly for the aesthetic effect, and not based at all on the biochemistry aspect.

Maybe one of you roller/LED folks should start up a specific thread on this topic. It could make for a very interesting + helpful thread for those who are using both devices.

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Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:00 pm      Reply with quote
Great idea, Kassy! I just started a thread for this. Here is the link.

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?p=518212#518212

Kassy_A wrote:

Maybe one of you roller/LED folks should start up a specific thread on this topic. It could make for a very interesting + helpful thread for those who are using both devices.

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Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:28 pm      Reply with quote
Hi,
I've finally just ordered for the Anti-Aging LightStim!Another gadget to add to the collection I've started just over the past year! Laughing
I'm soooo pleased with the results of the gadgets I've already got, I felt I needed to try the apparently number one! I'm hoping it will be the last one I purchase though!! Rolling Eyes
Many,many thanks for all the info you all give! And I'll certainly post my results.
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Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:33 am      Reply with quote
Tonia wrote:
Pollyanna, I've never done more than three sessions per week and have had good results. More than that is too drying on my skin. I'd say give fewer sessions a try. It may work for you. If it doesn't, you can work your way back up as your skin adjusts. Of course, this is just my opinion. It will be interesting to see what other members have to say about this.

I'm not sure about the Avocado oil. I know I've read that you shouldn't apply oil before LED use but Avocado may be an exception. hmm Hmmm, now I want to go back and read that.


Hi Tonia, well maybe that's why my face is so dry. I have been using my AALS 6 days a week, and my skin has never been so dried out. I use the green tea spray before, and I apply help oil after. I thought it might have been the green tea drying my face, but maybe 6 days a week for the AALS is just too much for me. I already have dry skin anyways. Well thanks for the tip you gave Pollyanna:)
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Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:33 am      Reply with quote
I agree that the AALS is drying. But if you apply moisturiser on later, it shouldn't be so bad. I have very dry skin as well, I apply some night cream over after the treatment, or sometimes I use EVOO.
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Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:25 pm      Reply with quote
I have very dry skin but never had a problem using my AALS. Sometimes when I use the green tea, it can be a bit drying though. So on the nights I skip it, all seems to be fine. Once I am done using my AALS, I apply a face cream though and get ready for bed since I use mine at night.

4 months of using the AALS and still think this is the best thing I ever purchased. Smile

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Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:28 am      Reply with quote
WhiteWolf wrote:
I have very dry skin but never had a problem using my AALS. Sometimes when I use the green tea, it can be a bit drying though. So on the nights I skip it, all seems to be fine. Once I am done using my AALS, I apply a face cream though and get ready for bed since I use mine at night.

4 months of using the AALS and still think this is the best thing I ever purchased. Smile


So is it the greentea?
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Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:04 am      Reply with quote
Yes, it sounds more like the green tea, I realized with mine at home it was not watered down properly (too high of a concentration). I use the recipe Kassy posted on the other thread.

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Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:19 am      Reply with quote
I have to apologize to Kassy for doubting her. After seeing her recent picture, I went ahead and bought the AALS. I made a batch of Kassy's pretreatment serum and have been using it with the AALS every other night. On the other nights, I apply CPs before the AALS treatment. I have to say that my mouth area is much improved and I have to give Kassy all the credit. I should have listened to her earlier - lesson learned.
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Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:09 pm      Reply with quote
I've just got my AALS a week ago and very happy with the improvements I get from using both DPL and AALS. They compliment each other nicely. But AALS seems to take longer and it feels much hotter on the skin than DPL.
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Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:18 pm      Reply with quote
Skippie wrote:
I have to apologize to Kassy for doubting her. After seeing her recent picture, I went ahead and bought the AALS. I made a batch of Kassy's pretreatment serum and have been using it with the AALS every other night. On the other nights, I apply CPs before the AALS treatment. I have to say that my mouth area is much improved and I have to give Kassy all the credit. I should have listened to her earlier - lesson learned.


No apology necessary Skip. I'm glad it's going well.

Your regime sounds right as rain to me. I'm doing very similar and still seeing nice subtle and ongoing improvements.

Holler out if you need any help.

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Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:22 pm      Reply with quote
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I have very dry skin but never had a problem using my AALS. Sometimes when I use the green tea, it can be a bit drying though. So on the nights I skip it, all seems to be fine. Once I am done using my AALS, I apply a face cream though and get ready for bed since I use mine at night.

4 months of using the AALS and still think this is the best thing I ever purchased. Smile


I find using fresh green and/or white tea on it's own is quite drying but I love the feeling of tightness..

In case it helps, adding a few drops of glycerin to your TBS or so of tea, is not only moisturizing, but you can just slap it on, let it absorb and then do the LED.

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Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:31 pm      Reply with quote
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I've just got my AALS a week ago and very happy with the improvements I get from using both DPL and AALS. They compliment each other nicely. But AALS seems to take longer and it feels much hotter on the skin than DPL.


Have at it Missy!

It's nice having the DPL to switch off with when you are pressed for time.. The diodes are far from your skin though, thus the different heat factor.

Hope you guys are all using a microfiber to get the crud off prior... Dancing

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Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:17 am      Reply with quote
Skippie wrote:
I have to apologize to Kassy for doubting her. After seeing her recent picture, I went ahead and bought the AALS. I made a batch of Kassy's pretreatment serum and have been using it with the AALS every other night. On the other nights, I apply CPs before the AALS treatment. I have to say that my mouth area is much improved and I have to give Kassy all the credit. I should have listened to her earlier - lesson learned.

I must confess that I was hard headed and thought all LEDs were the SAME......WRONG Rolling Eyes ....and so glad I continued to read the lightstim thread with all the rave reviews with Kassy's being at the top. I now have made the switch to the Lightstim and my skin looks fabulous. Many thanks to Kassy for keeping on keeping on with reviews..she is the energizer bunny for Lightstim...she keeps on keeping on Imageand now I know why!!! Laughing

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Thu Feb 25, 2010 3:52 pm      Reply with quote
Kassy_A wrote:
In case it helps, adding a few drops of glycerin to your TBS or so of tea, is not only moisturizing, but you can just slap it on, let it absorb and then do the LED.


Hmmm, good idea! I think I'll do that next time.

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Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:09 pm      Reply with quote
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I must confess that I was hard headed and thought all LEDs were the SAME......WRONG Rolling Eyes ....and so glad I continued to read the lightstim thread with all the rave reviews with Kassy's being at the top. I now have made the switch to the Lightstim and my skin looks fabulous. Many thanks to Kassy for keeping on keeping on with reviews..she is the energizer bunny for Lightstim...she keeps on keeping on and now I know why!!! Laughing


Which LED did you use prior to LightStim? Are you currently using the AALS or another device?

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The lights that I have used for a couple of years were the prolight red and amber..... I have been using the AALS for three months. Wink

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